Drew Dowdell

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Cybertruck has higher payload and towing than any gas or EV truck in the 1500 class.  Also has a bigger bed than any EV truck.  Sounds more capable than the rivals.

Duh. That's because it's a 3500-class truck.

In Pennsylvania, that means $202 a year to register rather than $105 for a Silverado EV, along with higher insurance costs.

And AGAIN, it is a paper rating. The Silverado EV is capable of more, but the sticker is only set where it is to let it slip in as a 1500 series truck.  The fact that there will be an option that will exceed the Cybertruck's rating tells us this. It may get slighly heavier duty shocks and springs, but I expect the press release of the Silverado EV HD to be underwhelming in content.

Bed size really doesn't matter in the 1500 class under 8 feet and in the 3500 class, the Cybertruck gets beat by true 350/3500 trucks in payload capacity and bed size.

From a capability standpoint, the Cybertruck is the Nissan Titan HD of the truck world. Not quite a 3500, but priced like a high-end 2500. (Silverado 2500 HD High Country 6.6l Gas = $72,895).

And the range and capability of the Cybertruck that you keep parroting is only going to be for the higher-end models.  It's going to be a $110k+ vehicle to get the 500 mile range. The Silverado EV will get 450 for $30k less.

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Toyota Hilux is the #4 best selling vehicle in the world this year, outselling the F150.  Lot of truck buyers out there.

You can buy 4 Hiluxes for the price of one 500-mile Cybertruck. The math isn't mathing.

Edit: I forgot to add - the Silverado EV can accommodate an 8+ foot payload. The Cybertruck can't.  So yea, the Silverado EV beats it there.

Volkswagen has been teasing us with the I.D. Buzz for 6-years when they made the announcement back in 2017 that they would bring the I.D. Buzz to market.

The standard wheelbase model has been on sale in Europe since May of last year, and today, Volkswagen is officially announcing the long-wheelbase version for sale in the U.S. starting next year. The ID.Buzz will not, as previously reported, be built at VW's Chatanooga plant alongside the ID.4, instead being built in VW's Hanover Germany plant.

Powering the LWB ID.Buzz is a new 210 kW (286 hp) electric drive motor and a newer, larger 85 kWh battery, an increase over the standard length model of 201 kW and 81 kWh, respectively.

Later, there will be an all-wheel drive model called the ID.Buzz GXT with 250 kW (339 hp) that can get to 60 in 6.4 seconds. Helping to keep the range up is a new heat pump HVAC system in all versions.

While the photos make it look small, at 195 inches long, it is two inches longer than a standard wheelbase Jeep Grand Cherokee and the same length as a VW Atlas Cross Sport.  But with no internal combustion equipment to take up space, the ID.Buzz offers seating for up to seven people and a cavernous interior. It is likely that the ID.Buzz will offer more room than even full-size mini-vans from Chrysler, Honda, and Toyota.

A panoramic smart-roof is offered that can adjust from transparent to opaque with the touch of a slider or a voice command. North American versions will also offer air-conditioned seats.

The official reveal with more details will come later today.

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The performance off-road mid-size pickup truck war has turned into a hot war in 2023.  Ford has recently released their 2024 Ford Ranger Raptor, and Toyota introduced an all-new 2024 Tacoma with an incredibly capable Tacoma TRD Off Road. Back in 2018, Chevrolet teamed up with American Expedition Vehicles to the 2019 Chevy Colorado Bison ZR2 to the Colorado lineup. 

About a year ago, the all-new 2023 Colorado was released, and while there was a ZR2, the Bison was not part of the announcement.  Today, Chevy remedied that by announcing a new Chevrolet Colorado Bison ZR2 for 2024. 

The Bison starts with the ZR2's longer wheelbase and high-output 2.7L turbo producing 310 horsepower and 430 lb-ft of torque and added new segment exclusive Multimatic front and rear jounce control dampers, 17-inch bead-lock capable wheels with 35-inch outer diameter mud/terrain tires, and boron steel skid plates. All of these add-ons combined with a best-in-class approach angle (38.2 deg.), departure angle (26 deg.), and breakover angle (26.9 deg.)  combine to make the Bison ZR2 a true off-road king of the class.

The 2024 Colorado ZR2 Bison joins the 2024 Silverado HD ZR2 Bison in dealerships later this year.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

It doesn’t have to outsell them but even if they take 100k sales each from Ford, GM and Ram that will hurt their bottom lines.  Because those companies live off pick up truck profits, Tesla doesn’t have to.

Again, not only not going to happen at a $70k starting price when F-150 and Silverado 1500 top out at around $80k.

A Cybertruck sale doesn’t mean one of the truck makers lost a sale it can just as easily be an X5.

Ford and Tesla jointly announced today that starting in the spring of 2024, Ford EV drivers will gain access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers in North America.  This move will more than double the number of chargers available to Ford EV drivers who currently have access to 10,000  DC fast-chargers in the BlueOval EV network.  Additionally, Ford dealers are adding 1,800 public-facing fast chargers across the continent.

Existing EV models like the F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E, and E-Transit Vans will be able to use a Tesla developed adaptor to convert from the Tesla NACS Charger to the built-in CCS charge port, allowing access to Tesla V3 Superchargers.

Moving forward, Ford will change from the CCS standard to the Tesla NACS standard on all EV models starting in 2025.  The addition of Tesla SuperChargers to the BlueOval Charge Network creates the largest integrated network of fast-charger in North America.

Ford cites Tesla's charge network reliability and the smaller form factor of the NACS plug as reasons for the switch.

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12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Had a Hyundai Elantra yesterday that hit a deer, this is $9k in damage using recycled and aftermarket parts, it was over $12,000 if using OEM parts, in which case it would have been totaled.

Gigapress is going to make that so much worse. A small side impact that would normally just bend some suspension bits and maybe an outer fender can total a Tesla.   Some of the anti-EV people we had around this place were right about cars becoming disposable appliances, but it wasn't the EV part that will bring that on... it's the Gigapress.

9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The updated Model 3 is coming soon, Model Y update probably next year.  They look pretty ready to go with this.

And part of the update is improving efficiency in manufacturing.  Tesla is also going to 48 volt electric system which will save weight and cost in wiring harnesses.  This car may actually get cheaper with more content added in.

The next gen Model 2 or whatever it will be called, is only going to use 40% the factory space that a Model 3/Y takes to build, auto factory assembly lines are about 30% inefficient, the paint process is inefficient, etc.  Since Tesla will gigacast and build the car in modules, rather than traditional assembly line, it sucks a ton of cost out, thus you get a sub $30,000 Tesla.

And it goes back to the point I have been making.  What will matter in the EV wars is cost and scale.  No one else has Tesla's scale or vertical integration, and no one else has the cost controls.  Others might get there, but it is a race to get there.  The first 5 or 6 that get there will survive, the rest go bankrupt.

 

Oh yes, just what I wanted. A 2024 Saturn SC

Tesla hasn't gotten Gigacast fully operational and GM, VW, and several others have gotten those presses too.  It's not a technology that will be unique to Tesla for more than a minute. 

There is a big downside to gigacasting though. It greatly increases the likelihood of a vehicle being totaled in an accident. 

Tesla makes a great powertrain... I'll give them that.

But the "This is nice for a mid-level Passat" interior by Ikea and used bar of soap exterior is what kills it for me. 

It's been proven that you can do aero and look amazing.

You went to so much effort to construct… what is an opinion… in only the most technical sense of the word. It is almost entirely 💩.

Eventually, cost and physics will catch up with Elon's promises. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

If the Cybertruck has more range

The most range the Model X can manage is 348 miles. The Cybertruck is heavier and has much worse aero. Tesla will need to put nearly 100% more battery in the Cybertruck to get it to 500 miles. Can you imagine the costs of a double stacked Model X battery? It's not going to be the $70k version that gets that range, it's going to be the $130k version. GM will have 450 miles of range available in a truck at the bottom end of the Cybertruck's price range. For $80k, you'll be able to get a Silverado EV with 450 miles of range or a Cybertruck with likely around 350 or less. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

more acceleration

And just like on the Model-X, if you opt for the Plaid, you get a reduction in range... so Cybertruck won't be both 500 mile range and 2.9s acceleration. It will be one or the other. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

FSD

A $15k option. SuperCruise and BlueCruise are like $2,500. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

better handling

It's a truck, who cares? And GM has magnaride, the best shocks on the planet.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

tighter turning radius

GM has 4-wheel steering and even their ICE trucks turn well for their size. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

large bed

Already explained why unless it's an 8-foot bed, it doesn't matter. GM and eventually RAM win on this anyway because they have mid-gates.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

The Model Y outsells the Rav4 now, so much for Toyota loyalty, people fled for the better product.  And that is a case when the Tesla costs a lot more money, imagine if it was dollar for dollar even.

RAV-4 sales are up and there's waiting lists for the Plug-in. If you want to know who the Model-Y is stealing sales from, go look at the BMW and Mercedes sedan sales charts. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

if they just sell it in the USA and get 20% of the truck market, they can hit 500k units

LOL, they're not going to get 20% of the US market with a $70k base price.  Keep in mind that "the truck market" includes the Tacoma, Ranger, Colorado, and Canyon which base in the high $20k range.  You can buy two Tacomas for the price of one base Cybertruck. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Probably no one thought the #1 selling vehicle in Europe would be an American car, because people said Europeans will never buy a car form the USA.  But Tesla proved that wrong.

No one tell the Europeans, they've been buying Fords for years. The catch is that Europeans buy European Fords that are built in Europe.  Tesla's explosion in sales there coincided with the construction of Berlin-Brandenburg.  It also helps that EVs avoid the fuel taxes. The Euro companies are going to catch up to Tesla pretty easily. 

41 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

While that does sound like a ton of different trims/models, my best guess would be 1-4 of both WT and LT would be solely based on battery and drive wheels.

small battery - 2WD - 1WT/LT

big battery - 2WD - 2WT/LT

small battery - 4WD - 3WT/LT

big battery - 4WD - 4WT/LT

I could also be 100% wrong and it wouldn't be the first time! 

The flexibility of Ultium means that they can offer "city" version of these trucks for a lower price.  If I'm a commercial fleet master and Chevy can offer me a bunch of 2WD work trucks in 2WT trim with a 300 mile range that I never have to fuel and cut my maintenance costs way down, I think I'd seriously consider it.  We have four 2wd V6 Ram Classics at work, but they almost never leave the 11 sq miles of the town. If I stay there long enough, I want to convince the public works director to put chargers in soon. 

GM never said what the lowest range of battery they would build for these trucks would be, it's always been shown as "up to" 400 miles, now 450 miles, of range. 

4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

There are 4 WT trims? So the trim line for the Silverado EV will be:

1WT

2WT

3WT

4WT

1LT

2LT

3LT

4LT

High Country

Trail Boss

RST

Holy complexity Batman!

The ICE Silverado today has:

4 engines, 2 transmissions, 5 bed/cab configurations, and 2 driveline configurations. (5 engines were available in 2022, the V6 was finally dropped from WT models)

It has 8 trims (WT, Custom, Custom Trail Boss, LT, RST, LT Trail Boss, LTZ, ZR2, High Country). Plus each of those trims have levels, like several levels of WT, the ZR2 Bison Edition, Several editions of LT, Sub-packages like Z71.

Ford has even more with 8 trims, 3 cabs paired with 3 boxes, 2 drivelines, and I can't even get a clear answer on how many engines. (3.3 V6, 2.7 EB V6, 3.5 EB V6, 5.0 V8, 3.5-Hybrid, 3.5 HO V6 Raptor, 5.2 V8 Supercharged... the 3.0 V6 diesel was dropped, did I miss any?) and while all transmissions are 10-speed, they have a light-duty version, a heavy duty version (V8s and Raptor), and the hybrid version, so really it's 3 different transmissions. 

At the risk of beating a dead horse, Ram has 8 trims, 4 engines, several suspensions including air and not-air, 4 different sizes of infotainment system, several "special editions" that Ram loves to make.... and the Ram Classic is also still in production with a bunch of its own configurations.

Nissan simplifies it for you by only offering trims configured certain ways, and if you don't like it, too bad. Before you even get to pick out a color, you have 17 different trim/bed/cab/driveline configurations to choose from. Luckily, you have only one choice of engine. 

Your list would be significantly less complex than the current situation.  That said, I expect that the LT levels might be trimmed a bit, down to 2 or three. For example, LTZ might be dropped completely in favor of a High Country trim. Or we might not get a High Country at all. (though I hope we do)

20 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Cybertuck has a bigger bed, much higher payload and 40% higher tow rating than the Silverado EV or F150 Lightning.   Cybertruck also has a smaller turning circle, better off road ability, (looks like better range and acceleration too) Full Self Driving (to whatever level Tesla is at come fall).

Tesla has none of that. It's all still vaporware until the official specs are released.

And even already, the Silverado has those vaperware specs beat with its own vaporware specs. The initial RST has a 10,000 lb tow rating, sure, but there will also be a tow package that takes it to 20,000 lbs.

Comparing payloads doesn't tell the whole story.  It's a legal definition rather than a technical one. If the Tesla Cybertruck keeps that 3,500 lbs payload, then it will have to be registered as a Class 3 truck, that's the same as a Silverado HD 3500 or Ford Super Duty F-350.  That's not because of some amazing capabilities but because of its curb weight plus max payload rating.  Having to register the Cybertruck as Class 3 means higher registration costs, higher tolls in many states, higher insurance costs, and higher inspection costs in many states.

There is absolutely ZERO chance that Chevy engineered the Silverado EV to only have a 1,300 lb. payload. That's less than a Colorado.  It's a sticker compliance rating so that buyers can register it as a Class 2, the same as a Silverado 1500.   How do I know this?  That the work truck will eventually be available with a 20,000 lb tow package gives it away.  Towing requirements dictate that the tow hitch supports 10% of the trailer weight and 10% of 20,000 is 2,000. 2,000 is higher than the 1,300 lb. current payload rating of the RST.

This tells me that all Chevy needs to do to make an HD version of the Silverado EV is swap out some badges and the GVWR compliance stickers.

Wonder why payload capacity went down on the newer trucks? It's not because the trucks got less capable, it's because their curb weight went up. GM had to down-rate them to maintain their legal classification.  This is true across the industry.

19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Lot of low volume trucks.  2 Hummer's sold in Q1.

You've been told about this. Hummer had a stop sale while a battery issue was addressed. There are people still on the Hummer waiting list and deliveries have resumed.

5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Cybertruck has a frunk, storage space in the rear sail panels and a covered, lockable bed, which by the way is a foot longer than the Lightning’s bed.

Lighting has a frunk (much larger than Tesla's), Silverado and Sierra both have a frunk and lockable storage. Silverado has a mid-gate. Locking beds are an option on all of them.  As a truck owner, I can tell you there isn't much difference in a 5.5 to a 6.5 bed. In either case, long items will have to travel with the tailgate down.  Bed length doesn't matter much in the incremental units until you hit 8 foot and can fit a full sheet of plywood back there and still close the gate.   Something the Silverado can do with a short bed beacuse it has a mid-gate that the Cybertruck doesn't.   For example, in the Lightning, Silverado EV, or Cybertruck I'd have to leave the tailgate down on all three to transport my motorcycle (7 feet) in the bed. So I'd rather take the more maneuverable and shorter bed.

5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I think 500k units a year is doable, especially globally.  Millions of pick ups are sold each year, there are plenty of potential buyers.

Do you really think people like my parents, who have been buying F-series pickups since the 1970s, are going to buy a funky-looking aluminum doorstop instead of going back to the Ford dealer?  F-150 and Silverado/Sierra, and even Ram have some of the best brand retention in the US market.  Cybertruck may win sales from newcomers to the truck market who are trading in a Telluride or X5, but I don't think Tesla will make many inroads into the legacy truck makers.  Do I think Cybertruck will sell? Yes... but not at those numbers.

19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

$79,800 is for the 450 mile WT and $74,800 for the 350 mile WT and those are fleet only pricing, not for retail.  Retail customers only get the $100k RST this year.  I don't think we will ever see a sub $45k Silverado EV.  I don't see how they get a $74,000 retail truck down to $40k, even if you cut the battery down to 250 mile range, that is what, $10,000 worth?

So the question is where will the Cybertruck price out?  If Tesla beats Ford and GM on price, it is kind of game over for Ford and GM.

You've read a sensationalist article that misinterprets a report from GM Authority.  We already knew that the initial release was only going to be to fleet buyers, and those would be 3WT or 4WT trims only. But those are the two highest WT trims that Chevy will build. As production moves into 2024, the lower-level trims will arrive and get closer (but not hit exactly) that $40k price point.   The article I'm assuming you read, or a variant of such, incorrectly implies that there will not be any Silverado EV trims below 3WT.  You are correct about the price points for those trims, but not that those trims will be the lowest trims available.

Yes, for consumers, only the RST will be available late this year, and likely only the first 100.   I have an RST reserved, but not a launch edition.  However, it's not the RST that I really want. Based on what I've seen so far, I'd want a Premier/LTZ/High Country or equivalent or the Trail Boss depending on what they do to the suspension.

I'm aiming for 400-mile range, air suspension, and if I can swing it, Super Cruise. I don't need crab walk, 4-wheel steering or any of that.  Just a 2025 EV version of my truck would be fine.

28 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Lyriq?

Off-topic, but I saw my first one in the wild yesterday, and it's a really handsome vehicle.

13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

$80,000 is a lot for a work truck, but they may already have commercial fleet buyers lined up.   Question is still how fast GM can scale these EV's up, analysts are predicting 76,000 this year which are mostly Bolts and about 328,000 next year.  Although that probably puts them ahead of any of the Asian brands.

You're the second person to mention $80k (the other was on Facebook).  Where are you getting that number?  The base truck with a 350-mile range was originally going to be $39,995 + delivery, only the top level 4WT will be $79k. I don't expect it will release at that price after 18 months of inflation, but even at 7% inflation, it's still at $42,700. I can see consumer-grade "LT" models clocking in at around $80k base and going up from there. I expect the Trailboss to be mid-80s.  Going from an LT to a Trailboss costs about $5k in ICE models..

As Cadillac moves forward with its rebuild of a naming scheme away from alpha-numerics and back to names, it ran into a connedrum. What to do with Escalade.

Cadillac has decided that all of their EV names will end with the letters "iq". Last year, we were introduced to the Lyriq and the Celestiq.  Other names that Cadillac has registered with the US Patent and Trademark Office are Ascendiq, Optiq, Symboliq, Vistiq, and Lumisiq.  This put Cadillac into a pickle with Escalade.

Today, Cadillac confirmed that the all-electric version of the Escalade will be called the Escalade IQ.  While obviously a departure from the rest of the lineup, adding the suffix trim allows Cadillac to preserve one of the strongest brands in the entire GM lineup.

The Cadillac Escalade IQ will be revealed later this year.

Our take: While we like the change away from alpha-numerics, we think the IQ names feel forced and relatively meaningless. We also doubt their ability to hold any long-term brand equity. Cadillac can use the IQ suffix if they must, but use real names rather than made-up words. Names like the Seville and Eldorado have been gone long enough that it is unlikely that any current buyers would have driven an original.

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12 minutes ago, David said:

Very excited for what GM will do for the full size SUVs to come. I am hoping the Escalade EV launch will be this range or more.

It's unlikely to be more. An Escalade ESV would be heavier, and 200kW is a LOT of batteries.  Apparently, they can go up to 212kW on this platform, but that is only available in the GMC Hummber EV Edition 1 at this time.  So even with the 212kW pack, the extra weight of an ESV would keep you at 400 miles max, and possibly less.

1 minute ago, David said:

Toyota fans will love this.

There's plenty of them. Toyota moves between 220,000 - 250,000 Tacomas a year.

Ranger + Colorado + Canyon + Frontier = 250,000 a year combined.

When Chevrolet initially took the wraps off the Silverado EV last year, GM had estimated up to a 400 mile range based on its own calculations.  As the Silverado EV has made its way through development, it went for EPA certification and came back with 50 miles more than GM's estimate.  With this new EPA certification, the Silverado EV has an over 100-mile advantage over its only on-sale competitor the F-150 Lightning Extended Range (320 miles). The Silverado EV will launch first in WT trim with this 450-mile range in the next few weeks. Soon after, a less expensive WT model will launch with a 350-mile range.  All Silverado EVs will be available with DC Fast Charging up to 350kW with the ability to take on 100 miles of range in as few as 10 minutes.  WT models will have 510 horsepower and 615 lb.-ft of torque.

Following up sometime in the fall of 2023 will be the RST First Edition model with a currently estimated 400-mile range. We say "currently" because the RST is said to be available with the same 200kW battery pack in the WT, but also gets a significant power boost to 754 horsepower and 786 lb.-ft of torque in WOW mode, so we'll need to wait till it gets back from the EPA.

Naturally, these ratings will translate directly into the GMC Sierra Denali EV as well.

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The Toyota Tacoma has been the best-selling mid-size pickup in the U.S. for nearly 20 years. Holding such an important place in the lineup, Toyota has been very conservative with updates in the past.  The outgoing generation ran for a full 7 years, but even that was based on a platform that dates all the way back to 2004.  For 2024, the Tacoma sheds the old platform entirely and joins the Tundra and Sequoia on Toyota's new TNGA-F global truck platform.  The 2024 Tacoma is the latest (and final) updated entry to the US mid-size truck market, joining the Ranger, Canyon, Colorado, Ridgeline, and Frontier, all of which have been recently redesigned.

Tacoma is coming out swinging with powertrains, with a 278 horsepower 4-cylinder making 317 lb.-ft of torque as the base engine for consumer models.  This bests the base 4-cylinders from GM and Ford, and just about matches the V6 in the Honda. Frontier's 3.8 liter V6 does make more horsepower at 310, but Toyota has an answer for that too with an available 2.4-liter turbo-charged hybrid making 326 horsepower and 465 lb.-ft of torque. To put that in perspective, that is more torque than the new Ford Ranger Raptor with a 3-liter turbo V6 (410 lb.-ft) and the high-performance 2.7-liter 4-cylinder fielded by GM with 430 lb.-ft. Power is routed through an all-new eight-speed automatic or a six-speed manual with automatic rev-matching, and anti-stall technology is also available.  Models with the manual transmission only get one engine choice at 270 horsepower and 310 lb.-ft to torque. Entry-level SR grades usually sold to fleets get a 228 horsepower / 243 lb.-ft turbo 4-cylinder instead.

The i-FORCE Max hybrid uses a 2.4-liter turbo four mated to a 48 hp electric motor integrated into the transmission. The battery is relatively limited at only 1.87-kWh and uses NiMH instead of Lithium-Ion technology.  But this setup allows the system to nearly double the torque output of the outgoing V6. Toyota says that the i-FORCE Max can ascent an 8% grade at interstate speeds without needing to downshift. Fuel economy estimates will be revealed later, but expect them to be better than any other competitor.

Rear-wheel drive models have an automatic limited-slip differential while four-wheel drive models have a two-speed transfer case and active traction control. Upgrade to one of the TRD trims includes an upgraded electronically controlled locking differential. The new top-zoot Limited trim gets full-time four-wheel-drive with a center locking differential when equipped with the i-FORCE Max hybrid engine.

Choices Abound

There was once a time when truck buyers could order a vehicle as bespoke as anything coming from an ultra-luxury car manufacturer. While other manufacturers have reduced option combinations, Toyota has kept the old truck-buying process alive with an engine/cab/bed/options combination list longer than we could possibly post here. Each grade of Tacoma gets a uniquely tuned suspension with special shocks, coil or leaf springs,  and electronic stabilizer bars available. 

The two cab styles available are both offered with either a 5-foot or 6-foot bed. The four-door double cab offers seating for five, while the new two-door XtraCab is built for two with storage behind the seats. Bed volume has increased 7 percent and the alluminum tailgate has an available power open and close function. Gas-only models can be equipped with a 400W ac outlet in the bed and rear of the center console while i-FORCE Max hybrid models come standard with a 2400W power outlet.

Tacoma is available in SR, SR5, TRD PreRunner, TRD Sport, TRD Off Road, Limited, TRD Pro, and Trailhunter. Returning for 2024, TRD PreRunner is available in the XtraCab configuration with two-wheel drive only. It has a lifted front suspension, larger diameter BFGoodrich all-terrain tires, and an electronically locking rear differential. For a sportier look and feel, TRD Sport gets black 18-in. TRD wheels, color-keyed door handles and overfenders, hood scoop, black exterior badging, and aluminum pedals. The TRD Off-Road grade is more capable than ever thanks to the new Bilstein remote reservoir monotube shocks for better heat dissipation and the available front stabilizer bar disconnect system.

Limited grades offer more sophistication than ever with a luxurious interior and standard tech including power retractable sidesteps, head-up display, 14-inch touchscreen, JBL audio, digital rearview mirror, and a power moonroof along with the new smooth-riding adaptive variable suspension and full-time four-wheel drive on i-FORCE MAX-equipped models. Trailhunter is also all-new for 2024 and offers a well-equipped overlanding rig that’s adventure-ready right from the dealer.

Buyers will be able to choose from Supersonic Red, Blue Crush Metallic, Underground, Wind Chill Pearl, Solar Octane, Celestial Silver Metallic, Black, Ice Cap, and Bronze Oxide colors, plus an additional TRD Pro exclusive color being announced later this year.

All the Latest Tech Inside

The all-new Tacoma is filled with the latest technology and information screens that bring significant updates to the cabin. A new 8-inch or available 14-inch multimedia touchscreen displays Toyota’s latest Audio Multimedia system that debuted on the 2022 Tundra pickup and is designed and engineered by Toyota’s Texas-based Connected Technologies team. The system supports wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility, and pairs well with the available Qi wireless charging pad with enhanced power output. A USB-C data and charging port is integrated on the right side of the display, and dual USB-C charging ports are included in the front row and available for the rear passengers. A 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster with four different styles is standard on higher grades while a 7-inch gauge cluster is standard on lower grades.

All 2024 Tacoma models come standard with Toyota Safety Sense 3.0, Toyota’s suite of active safety and convenience systems. New-to-Tacoma TSS enhancements are made possible by system sensors with improved detection capability. This suite of features includes:

• Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection
• Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist
• Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
• Lane Tracing Assist
• Road Sign Assist
• Automatic High Beams
• Proactive Driving Assist

Proactive Driving Assist is new to Toyota Safety Sense. When system operating conditions are met, using the vehicle’s camera and radar, this system is designed to provide gentle braking into curves or gentle braking and/or steering to help support driving tasks such as distance control between a preceding vehicle, pedestrian, or bicyclist. Proactive Driving Assist is not a substitute for the Pre-Collision System and operates in different circumstances.

The 2024 Toyota Tacoma was designed in the US and will be built in Toyota's Plano, Texas facility.

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3 hours ago, David said:

Nothing like that extra stopping power on the front Wheel. I can see you race up, slam on the front break, pop up the back wheel spin 180 and race the other direction again.

 

You have some extraordinary ideas of what my riding capabilities are! Lol

When going on a long trip, pack two extra cylinders… just in case.
 

1 minute ago, David said:

As the admin for Dell Tech Customer Slack Workspace, those customers that use 2FA I hear from at least once a month for resets as it is the most unreliable security I have ever seen. I do not bother with 2FA due to all the problems I have had in the past.

I've got a bunch of codes in my Microsoft Authenticator. It works well for me. I like the extra security.

On 4/21/2023 at 12:06 PM, ccap41 said:

Am I the only one who saw 4-door Challenger at first glance? Obviously it isn't but that's what my eyes saw until I looked further. 

I can see that.