Drew Dowdell

I think there is a hit to capability if they do AWD instead of 4x4. There is also a hit on fuel economy when running AWD all the time, disconnect the drive from the front wheels and get a MPG boost. People in southern states don't need 4x4 like us northerners do, so no point in forcing it on them at additional cost.

Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything. Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this? The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd.

C1XX is the official designation, I don't know if they are calling it Lambda II or not.

This was a person that either could not afford it or was never going to buy the old Acadia anyway. No matter if it stayed the same size or shrunk. Plenty of people wanted the Acadia but never really bought it and when it came time they went with the compact version in this case a Traverse LT. Big difference in price between the Traverse and an Acadia. Time will tell if GM messed up, but my gut tells me no. The people crying over this are the same type of people crying about the lack of 2 door coupes and convertibles in the cheap entry level market but would really never buy them anyway. There is no difference in size between a Traverse and Acadia they are identical.... I think you mean Terrain? The Enclave and Traverse are getting the long wheelbase version of this.

Just stop.. really... the Terrain is being downsized to CRV level. The Enclave and Traverse are still there in the GM porfolio. You can't say that the Acadia was one of the few true 8 passenger vehicles on the market when GM builds 2 other models the same way. The transmissions are the same, the V6 engine is an update of the current model and doesn't come with start/stop, the 4-cylinder will be where the fuel economy gains are.... and the Lambdas struggle to get close to their EPA ratings in the real world. With 700 lbs of weight loss, they should do better than the current models once people get their hands on them. If the Acadia's size bothers you that much, GM will invite you to look at the Enclave or Traverse.

There is nothing about the Continental chassis that Audi isn't doing in some form or another. But they have the longitudinal engine, 8-speed automatic (even though they bought it from ZF rather than make their own), and their C/D segment platforms are a bit more capable than the VW and A4 level stuff. But the A6 and A8 aren't really lighting up the sales chart anyway. The BMW and Mercedes sedans eat up the A6 and A8, and I think in part due to the rwd chassis, 50/50 weight balance, excessive nurburgringing, etc. I find the big Audi sedans to be rather dull and lacking in gravitas... neither of which are the case for the Continental. All-wheel drive systems these days are so advanced that it no longer matters which way the engine is facing. Even my little Encore can send 50% of the torque to the rear wheels when needed.... and I was playing in a snow covered parking lot in Detroit just to try it, I can actually kick the rear end out. I know the XTS can do something like 90% to the rear wheels, so i fully expect the advanced Continental AWD to do the same. I could very well be wrong but can't the new trick system in the RS send up to 100% to an individual wheel? I don't remember for sure and I haven't had my tea yet... but I believe you are right. If not to an individual wheel, at least 100% to the rear wheels.

And I'll ask again, what Fusion parts do you see on there? I didn't notice any.

There is nothing about the Continental chassis that Audi isn't doing in some form or another. But they have the longitudinal engine, 8-speed automatic (even though they bought it from ZF rather than make their own), and their C/D segment platforms are a bit more capable than the VW and A4 level stuff. But the A6 and A8 aren't really lighting up the sales chart anyway. The BMW and Mercedes sedans eat up the A6 and A8, and I think in part due to the rwd chassis, 50/50 weight balance, excessive nurburgringing, etc. I find the big Audi sedans to be rather dull and lacking in gravitas... neither of which are the case for the Continental. All-wheel drive systems these days are so advanced that it no longer matters which way the engine is facing. Even my little Encore can send 50% of the torque to the rear wheels when needed.... and I was playing in a snow covered parking lot in Detroit just to try it, I can actually kick the rear end out. I know the XTS can do something like 90% to the rear wheels, so i fully expect the advanced Continental AWD to do the same.

I'd like to say thank you for running the site. I think this is the best auto discussion forum on the internet. I like Autoblog and Worldcarfans for news, but the comments sections on some of those sites are weak. This site is much more well rounded and covers topics on every brand too, and the auto show coverage and sales ticker numbers are always good. I visit this site multiple times daily, I enjoy discussion, I don't mind some cheerleading, it shows passion for your favorite brand, but we don't need any attacking or trolling. Thank you. I do this because I enjoy it... and like you I enjoy the discussion and camaraderie we generally have around here. I've met a number of our regular members over the years. Everyone has their pet brand and that is fine and encouraged.... but don't try raise up your* own brand by putting down others... particularly if the put-down is based on false premises. *the general "your"

There is nothing about the Continental chassis that Audi isn't doing in some form or another.

Posting a preference for or against a particular product is fine. You werent being called a cheerleader for noting the Continental traffic ( which I agree was significant), you were called a cheerleader for incorrectly ascribing a cause to the difference between CT6 traffic and Continental traffic. It was bias for Continental because of your made up rationale and I called you on it. Called me on it? BS. You gave me your opinion on it, which I disagreed with. And thus far all the news I am hearing is still focused on the Conti first, and I expect that to continue....even though few at Detroit have seen the CT6. My point again, it does not stand out like the Conti. If I agreed with your opinion, then we'd both be wrong! By your theory, the Pacifica is even more interesting to people than Continental. Chrysler had guards up there kicking everyone but media out. During Monday and Tuesday, most of the people in the Cobo are media or industry.. People who have been to one of the many many displays of the CT6 from the previous 10 months. The CT6 is not new to them, the Continental was less than 6 hours old at that point. When I was there late Tuesday, it was mostly employees and suppliers left at the show and most of which have not seen either product yet, even though the CT6 was revealed prior. That is what I saw and commented on. Anyway, our opinions and your insult aside, what I took issue with recently is that casa gets away with what he got away with. You have deleted my posts for far less. So now I am thinking about going into a few GM autoshow reveal threads, sharing my 'opinion' and flooding them with pics of Ford or Lincoln equivalent products. Let's see you give that an OK. I don't know where you got this impression you seem to have that this is my first time at the rodeo. This site is going to be celebrating its 15th birthday this summer which will be its 9th year under my ownership and 14th with me as a member. I've been running forums in some form or another for over 20 years, going back to the BBS days. You aren't even close to being the first person to threaten to troll my forums.... heck that isn't even your first threat to me. I promise you, I can handle you and I can do a lot worse than ban you if I have to. I've been to each of the Detroit, NYC, and Chicago auto shows every year for the past 8 years as a media member and LA auto show the past 2 years. William has been attending the shows with me for a number of years as well. We have it down to a very efficient science for a 2 man operation. We know how these shows work. So go ahead, try to 'splain how the shows work, I'm here eagerly waiting to take notes from you.

We are not a GM site.

Kind of... on the Grand Cherokee though there are additional off-road capabilities added. On this one, it gets a tiny (and I mean really tiny) increase in ride height. So it's not quite a luxury package then? On the Grand Cherokee it is. On this, well... that's less clear. I would imagine when the new Jeep 3-row crossover comes it will have a lux package on it and be called Overland.

Posting a preference for or against a particular product is fine. You werent being called a cheerleader for noting the Continental traffic ( which I agree was significant), you were called a cheerleader for incorrectly ascribing a cause to the difference between CT6 traffic and Continental traffic. It was bias for Continental because of your made up rationale and I called you on it. Called me on it? BS. You gave me your opinion on it, which I disagreed with. And thus far all the news I am hearing is still focused on the Conti first, and I expect that to continue....even though few at Detroit have seen the CT6. My point again, it does not stand out like the Conti. If I agreed with your opinion, then we'd both be wrong! By your theory, the Pacifica is even more interesting to people than Continental. Chrysler had guards up there kicking everyone but media out. During Monday and Tuesday, most of the people in the Cobo are media or industry.. People who have been to one of the many many displays of the CT6 from the previous 10 months. The CT6 is not new to them, the Continental was less than 6 hours old at that point.

Posting a preference for or against a particular product is fine. You werent being called a cheerleader for noting the Continental traffic ( which I agree was significant), you were called a cheerleader for incorrectly ascribing a cause to the difference between CT6 traffic and Continental traffic. It was bias for Continental because of your made up rationale and I called you on it.

Kind of... on the Grand Cherokee though there are additional off-road capabilities added. On this one, it gets a tiny (and I mean really tiny) increase in ride height.

If this allegation turns out to be true... the Securities and Exchange commission doesn't tend to take too kindly to lying to shareholders. The racketeering charge is child's play in comparison.

Overland fixes my only real issue with the Cherokee. I don't like the look of the cladding. If I were to buy one in any other trim, it could only be in black so the cladding doesn't stand out. For comparison:

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