Sixty8panther

I guess this is a better way to lok at it: If you're going to spend more than average on a car in purchase price and maintenance then might as well make it something worthwile... the Camry's the ANti-Enthusiast car while the J30 will leave a smile on your face for years to come! I love my Infiniti Q45. (although I've been without it for almost two days while they replace the O2 & knock sensors under warranty.)

Now that is what's refered to as a Bitchin Car! The cigarette, the Monte Carlo SS T-top, the big hair band look... looks like you had a lot of fun in the 1980s!

The CTS-V sounds pretty much like you'd expect... a GM smallblock Pushrod V8. Maybe a tad more tame than the GTO 6.0 from recollection. In any case I hope the CTS stays Pushrod... leave the No* /DOHC stuff to the higher end V-series cars. Turbocharging however would be very welcome!!!!

J30 all the way bro. It's got the best powertrain, it's RWD and it's very unique. The Yamaha V8 in the SHO is very tempermental esp. at high miles and the cars pretty much suck in terms of reliability and ease/cost of maintenance. As far as the Camry, well... dude it's a Camry. You might as well buy a T-shirt that says: "Mindless Sheep". It's boring, predictable and worst of all very over rated.

Love the stripped out Camaro, the Ford Capri is kind of a cool car... ther's one in a local junkyard that seems to have been there longer than the bodystyle has been in existance. The fairmont? Well... I'm not the biggest fan of the styling of that era of Ford but it's RWD and therefore has sleper potential. Lincoln 460? Yes Please!

Torque Tube (hey I'm buyng a '59 Buick soon.... what do you think?) American or Provolone?

Nice.... just in our price range... too bad it's 6 hours away form our main clients.

Here, Here!

1981-87 Olds Cutlass Supreme 2-door. Esp. two tone blue. Was supposed to be my first car untill my dad junked it fomr some ridiculously minor failed repair... I was sooo mad. Sure it was an auto and only a 3800 but it had potential. 1987 Mercury Cougar XR-7 After my parent's gave me their almost new 1994 Pontiac Sunbird do drive in 1996 after I got my license I put on like 20,000 miles on the Pontiac, then I got the hand-me-down Achieva after said Sunbird was traded on a Grand Am and finally in college I got a gently used 1987 Cougar RX7 (with 87,000 miles) in ruby red wiht two tone gray on the bottom half of the car. It was my first real car. Registered, insured and titeled to me. I kept bitching and bitching about it because I had pu$$ied out and bought a non-GM. Esp. a Ford. But after buying it for $925 (from my employer Bill DeLuca Chevy/Pontiac) driving it for like a year & a half it got totalled and I got $1750 form my insurance company. Not bad eh? In any case the sight of the car all smashed up when a girl drove up my driveway & sideswiped it tail to nose was a sad one. The second it was towed away on a flatbed I knew I'd miss that car years to come. I had a lot of good times in that car. It had good Karma too. In the 17 or so months I had it I learned how to really drive a RWD V8 powered car. If I win the lottery I'll buy one in mint condition, loved that digital dash!

Riiiight... I'm an idiot. I hate confusing model names like that... wiht it being a Mopar I think you can understand where I assumed the 440 power.

Performance for the masses. It's a good thing, not bad.

Spring of 2003 when I was still working at Chevrolet of Lowell a guy came in and bought a green Silverado Ex-cab 1500. He wanted to tow a large boat and plow with it... we told him it would be smart to step up to the 2500 esp. simce GM voids the warranty on a 1500 Ex-cab if you plow with it. So anyway, a month later and like 1400 (or was it 1700) miles later he trades the truck in on a 2500 and pretty much flushes $7000 down the toilet. Sucks for him, I felt bad, but one of the other salesman scored a sweet commision on the trade-in. Even a better story is when a yuppie white-collar looking contractor traded a Tundra with like 3ooo miles in on a Silverado and told stories of $h!ty craftsmanship, tinny feeling chassis and uncomfortable ergonomics. He lost his shirt too but was happy to be in a GM again. That one warmed my heart.

I think you might be confused or something... those two words are mutually exclusive. :wink: Relax, I'm only being serious.

It's a very annoying feature and I for one think these cars would do much better by sticking to tradition. Most of the buyers are old Ladys and such. Either way these cars are pathetically small. If and when I buy a Cobalt that will be on the small side for me but these little Ladybugs are like Golfcart sedans.

Tundra (would have said Ridgeline but we all know that's not a real truck)

Wow... awsome!!! Makes my first ride (Pontiac Sunbird 2.0 liter/auto) look like a bicycle in comparison. Bet you embarrased a few Musclecars back in your day.

Endo: I'm pretty sure the price differance between the Corvette Z06 and Evo8MR is less than $45. The MR is like $34K is it not? And while there are some straightaways there's also a record amount of hairpin turns at the Nurburgring-Nordschleife Circuit. Someday in an aleternate universe where I have gobs of money I'm going to bring a street legal 1969 Camaro SCCA race car there and duke it out with some German eletist in his Porsche 911 Turbo.

So I'm being unreasonable, okay perhaps. But the original reason given by one member for the BLS being a better fit for Europe was that the CTS was too wide... yet the CTS is narrower tha both the 5 and 3 series.... so who's picking and choosing their arguments? Narrow streets require a narrow car? No money to develop RWD architecture? CTS's interior is no on par wiht the BMW? WhyTF develop/adapt Saab Opel Mechanicals and make a FWD BLS when for MUCH less money the CTs' s interioor could have been redesigned and a true world class RWD car could be had in the USA and Europe? Answer me that?!?!?!?! Ohh, and BTW how come the last Euro-rebadge Caddy (Catera) is such a POS to you guys but this new disproportioned econobox is a hit? I actaully think the Catera was a decent car... it lacked a manual (auto only BMW figters don't work) and a twin turbo induction setup could/would have helped its lackluster performance but at least it was RWD so it had potential. P.S. and c'mon the name is absolute hogwash... it's even wrose than the Focus ZiTS. BuLlShit indeed.

BTW: You guys do realize that they stole the SX4 name from AMC/Eagle right? My neighbor has a red '83 SX4 just like this sitting next to his house right between the boat and his 1970 Coupd Deville. So anyway I'm 99% sure I'll be coming to the NY auto show but I need to know the exact dates so I can plan accordingly. Anyone know waht day they will be there at the show? Z28Luvr? Anyone?

Hey screw it, if I'm buying the car for pennies on the dollar (rice is such a bad "un-investment") then I'd leave all that junk in it. Even the silly strobes and neons.. it they're already installed (so long as the wiring and such is prof. done) then why not have fun wiht it and get silly at the beach. I'd love to get silly and bolt up lamborghini doors on the Datsun. It's be a riot, I'm just not crazy enough to spend the time and money to do it.... but it's tempting since I'll be going to a Datsun meet & carshow in April.

I agree with 99% of what's been said. I'm not religious and stopped calling myself religious the day I realised that when speaking of God & the Bible I was trying to convince myself, not others. I think I was probably like 15 or so. Anyway you slice it I'm Spiritual and beleive in God, I think we look at God differently but in the end Buddha, Jesus, Allah, Jehova & Mohamed are all the same entity. What matters is being a good person... this has nothing to do with drinking and or being gay. It comes down to respace, civility, empathy and kindness. Religiojn is the opiate of the masses anyway. It's about all the wrong things and clouds the real issues.

Say waht you will about the 1998-2005 Grand Am but I think it was a much better "sport sedan" value than most Japanese competitors. All it lacked (I'll leave RWD out of this) was a manual trans or at least a paddle shift feature. My parent's 2001 GA/GT is a great car and I highly recomended it to them when I was selling cars at Bill DeLuca. It's got tons of torque and great ergonomics, I even like the Breasteses on top of the dashboard. Now prior ot the Solstice and GTO Ppontiac had a car called the Firebird/TRans Am... it had near-Corvette like performance, Gobs of horsepower & torque not to mention a phoenomenal suspension. The Trans Am was more exciting than even the Supra TT if you ask me... it Ooozed excitement.

How reliable is Autoblog? (just asking) This sounds like we're either not getting the whole story or the plug is getting relocated not pulled.

I thought we were just talking width not length? I've driven both and the CTS certainy is NOT a 5-series size car inside or outside. Using YOUR own source: Width (in.) CTS 3.6 ---------- 70.60 BMW 3-series ---- 71.50 BMW 5-series ---- 72.70 And since you guys made maneuverability into such a hot topic then consider this: Turning Diameter (ft.) CTS 3.6 ---------- 35.50 BMW 3-series ---- 36.10 BMW 5-series ---- 37.50 Next question?

With all due respect you could not be MORE wrong about that. The "Nurburgring Nordschleife" is one of the most difficult race tracks in the world for both driver and car it is considered the standard by which all others are judged. It contains 177 turns of all different varieties thrown togeather with a road that arbitrarily goes up and down in elevation and cuts through the German Black Forest. Imagine a dozen Corkscrews (from Laguna Seca) all thrown togeather without warning over the course of 13 miles. It's so dangerous as a matter of fact that after Niki Lauda almost died in 1976 the Track stopped being used for the German Grand Prix. Now it's used by civilians with serious performance cars who are adrenaline junkies and companies who are developing high performance cars, esp. exotics. The race track is the EXACT kind of enviroment where AWD and phonomenal braking play a VERY important role. If you hit a corner just a little too fast and the road not only turns into a ribbon but dips then you're at a very distinct advantage if you have AWD. Those one or two wheels that end up off the ground or without wieght on them (and thus without traction) can end up meaning the differance between life or death if you're attempting to pull 1.0Gs in order to negotiate the turn and stay away from the pine trees. "Greatest & most challenging race circuit in the world" Jackie Stewart. Long story short if the Japanese designed a street-legal car that could beat the Z06 around the track they'd be shouting at the top of their lungs to let everyone know. But as it stands the Corvette which is not DOHC, lacks a Turbocharger (or any sort of forced induction) and sends power only to the rear wheels still kicks the Evo's butt. Now if we took the Corvette to a Rally Race in Sweeden up and down a mud/rock/snow covered road lacking a smooth surface or any pavement the Evo would obviously have an advantage but since we're talking Super Cars and not Rally cars let's set the record straight: the Corvette is still the number one best bang for the buck by far!