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    Spying: Cadillac CT6 Gets Some Escala

      You got some Escala in my CT6!

    Cadillac has said that elements of the Escala concept that was shown last year would be showing up on future models. Thanks to a spy photographer, we have our first look at what elements will be popping up.

    A camouflaged CT6 mule was caught driving out on some European roads and we can make out some key details. For one, the grille and badge seem to match up with the Escala concept. We can't say for certain as the grille outline is covered up. It appears the headlights are more horizontal and smaller than the ones found on the current CT6.

    Expect to see the updated CT6 next year as a 2019 model.

    Source: Autoblog, Motor Authority

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    I am really, really excited about this news. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic, but I'm just itching for an escala-based design refresh on this car. It's the ONLY THING holding the model back, IMO.

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    9 minutes ago, cp-the-nerd said:

    I am really, really excited about this news. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic, but I'm just itching for an escala-based design refresh on this car. It's the ONLY THING holding the model back, IMO.

    You typed these words straight from my keyboard.

     

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    I think this will help, the CT6 now looks a little droopy and boring in the front, this refresh seems to have a more powerful look to it, from what can be seen under the camo.   I don't like the headlights pulled back over the front wheels, so maybe this will fix that.

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    21 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Looking forward to it....but I still want a modern Riviera and  full size two door Cadillac convertible.

    Buick has the Cascada now.  The problem with your idea of resurrecting the late Riviera and a Cadillac equivalent is this: coupe and convertible sales are in the tank.  Where are you going to find the sales?  MB and BMW are having a hard time selling their convertibles already.

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    ^ And this is the popular armchair fallacy RE the industry; 'Cadillac is hurting for volume because they don't have a convertible and a large coupe' ~ they never were huge contributors; no one has ever bought a Brand X sedan just because there is a Brand X convertible.

    Cadillac volume is relatively low because they have a small catalog, and frankly, I think that's where Cadillac wants to be- around 200K in U.S. sales. But the idea that a sedan or CUV buyer won't buy one because another model he DOESN'T want ISN'T there is illogical.

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    3 hours ago, balthazar said:

    ^ And this is the popular armchair fallacy RE the industry; 'Cadillac is hurting for volume because they don't have a convertible and a large coupe' ~ they never were huge contributors; no one has ever bought a Brand X sedan just because there is a Brand X convertible.

    Cadillac volume is relatively low because they have a small catalog, and frankly, I think that's where Cadillac wants to be- around 200K in U.S. sales. But the idea that a sedan or CUV buyer won't buy one because another model he DOESN'T want ISN'T there is illogical.

    The only problem with that is that the CTS coupe was 30% of CTS sales. Yes, I do believe that Cadillac needs to bring the CTS(5?) coupe back.

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    4 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    Buick has the Cascada now.  The problem with your idea of resurrecting the late Riviera and a Cadillac equivalent is this: coupe and convertible sales are in the tank.  Where are you going to find the sales?  MB and BMW are having a hard time selling their convertibles already.

    This is more "I would like to own one" rather than "they should build one...."

    Car makers would go broke in a hurry building cars to my taste...

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    5 hours ago, balthazar said:

    ^ And this is the popular armchair fallacy RE the industry; 'Cadillac is hurting for volume because they don't have a convertible and a large coupe' ~ they never were huge contributors; no one has ever bought a Brand X sedan just because there is a Brand X convertible.

    Cadillac volume is relatively low because they have a small catalog, and frankly, I think that's where Cadillac wants to be- around 200K in U.S. sales. But the idea that a sedan or CUV buyer won't buy one because another model he DOESN'T want ISN'T there is illogical.

    Cadillac sales are hurting because they don't have 5 crossovers.  Plain and simple.  They could make the CT6 have 500 hp, get 100 miles per gallon and sell it for $25,000 and the Toyota RAV4 would outsell it 5 to 1.  The enthusiasts want the sports car, the convertible, the sport sedan, etc.  But the masses just want a homogenized  box on wheels.

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The only problem with that is that the CTS coupe was 30% of CTS sales. Yes, I do believe that Cadillac needs to bring the CTS(5?) coupe back.

    Cadillac needs a coupe and convertible for sure.  You can't be a luxury brand without it, even if they sell 5,000 a year, who cares.  It looks good in an advertisement and draws people in.  Plus they can build it off an existing platform, existing powertrain, it isn't all that hart do stamp some new body panels.  Chevy makes the Corvette, brands need that one special car, even though crossovers are what pays all the bills.

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    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The only problem with that is that the CTS coupe was 30% of CTS sales. Yes, I do believe that Cadillac needs to bring the CTS(5?) coupe back.

    IIRC: 27%. Regardless... and I'm not at all saying I would not love to see another killer CTS/5 coupe... I'm saying no one shopping for a sedan from Brand X will NOT buy simply because there is NO coupe version. Coupes don't sell sedans (and coupes don't sell), but I still stop & stare when I see one of those CTS coupes (in invariably impeccible condition).

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    13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Cadillac needs a coupe and convertible for sure.  You can't be a luxury brand without it, even if they sell 5,000 a year, who cares.  It looks good in an advertisement and draws people in.  Plus they can build it off an existing platform, existing powertrain, it isn't all that hart do stamp some new body panels.  Chevy makes the Corvette, brands need that one special car, even though crossovers are what pays all the bills.

    Cadillac needs the coupe, but I doubt a convertible will make a difference. The days of convertibles are very limited is needed at all especially with the increase in skin cancer. 

    You can be a luxury auto maker without convertibles.

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    2 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Cadillac needs the coupe, but I doubt a convertible will make a difference. The days of convertibles are very limited is needed at all especially with the increase in skin cancer. 

    You can be a luxury auto maker without convertibles.

    Rolls, Bentley, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi all make a convertible.  Chevy has 2 convertibles, Buick has 1, yet Cadillac has none?

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Rolls, Bentley, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi all make a convertible.  Chevy has 2 convertibles, Buick has 1, yet Cadillac has none?

    So you're saying without a Convertible, Cadillac is not a luxury brand!

    So then Apple is not a computer company as they have no Servers.

    So then Boeing is not an Airplane company as they do not make small individual planes.

    Paccar, owner of Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks is not a truck company, Only a Semi company or Dump truck company.

    Do you see the irrational thinking in your statement?

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    23 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    So you're saying without a Convertible, Cadillac is not a luxury brand!

    So then Apple is not a computer company as they have no Servers.

    So then Boeing is not an Airplane company as they do not make small individual planes.

    Paccar, owner of Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks is not a truck company, Only a Semi company or Dump truck company.

    Do you see the irrational thinking in your statement?

    I am not saying that Cadillac isn't a luxury car brand, but when a luxury buyer is out there looking to spend big money on a sports car or convertible, Cadillac doesn't have anything.  It is hard to build status as an elite brand, without elite product.

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    3 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I am not saying that Cadillac isn't a luxury car brand, but when a luxury buyer is out there looking to spend big money on a sports car or convertible, Cadillac doesn't have anything.  It is hard to build status as an elite brand, without elite product.

    Cadillac is doing just fine actually.

    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    SO you're saying that if Rolls didn't sell the 200-some converts they do a year, that they would NOT be a luxury brand??

    Asking specific questions just moves the goal posts.

    34 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    So you're saying without a Convertible, Cadillac is not a luxury brand!

    So then Apple is not a computer company as they have no Servers.

    So then Boeing is not an Airplane company as they do not make small individual planes.

    Paccar, owner of Kenworth and Peterbilt trucks is not a truck company, Only a Semi company or Dump truck company.

    Do you see the irrational thinking in your statement?

    You might as well say that my woodworking machines are not woodworking machines because I only build guitars and furniture, not Banjos and Bird houses.

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    5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    While a convertible would be nice for Cadillac, Cadillac's fate certainly doesn't come close to hinging on that.

    It doesn't but if Chevy said they were cancelling the Corvette convertible or the Corvette entirely due to low sales, there would be outrage.  And Chevy's fate doesn't hinge on the Corvette either, but there is a reason they still make it.

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    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    It doesn't but if Chevy said they were cancelling the Corvette convertible or the Corvette entirely due to low sales, there would be outrage.  And Chevy's fate doesn't hinge on the Corvette either, but there is a reason they still make it.

    It has been 41 plus years since the last full size Cadillac convertible.  Since they had convertibles in their lineup for seventy years before that I am assuming they know how to build one. If they felt they needed one in the lineup they easily could have added one.

    Acura does not currently build a convertible, nor does Lexus...

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    26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It has been 41 plus years since the last full size Cadillac convertible.

    To nitpick, the 1985 Eldorado convertible was the same length as the recent S-class... so one could call that "full-size" and then say "32 years"... ;)

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    22 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It has been 41 plus years since the last full size Cadillac convertible.  Since they had convertibles in their lineup for seventy years before that I am assuming they know how to build one. If they felt they needed one in the lineup they easily could have added one.

    Acura does not currently build a convertible, nor does Lexus...

    Acura is a low end luxury brand and Lexus is boring.   Lexus lacks the guts to really go big, even with the LC500, there could be more power there.  They did the LFA, but even that needed more torque and after that 500 unit model run they seem to have no desire to do another sports car.  Lexus is a brand that could be doing so much better because they have reliability and reputation, but they have ugly styling and super out dated engines.  Lexus should have a 100% turbo charged line up with a hybrid version of every model they sell.  They are close on the hybrid front, but the most powerful Lexus is 471 hp, Mercedes has like 20 models over 500 hp.  

    Lexus is a brand that Cadillac should be able to steal a lot of business off of.  Cadillac can make quiet and smooth riding vehicles, throw a ton of hybrid crossovers at them.  Lexus is weak in performance, Cadillac can easily beat them there.  

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