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    Spying: Cadillac CTS


    William Maley

    Editor/Reporter - CheersandGears.com

    June 12, 2012

    The next Cadillac CTS is just around the corner and Inside Line has gotten their hands on new spy shots that reveal some key parts that will appear when the it arrives in the 2014 model year.

    Starting with the exterior, the front end appears to have some Ciel infulence with its flat and wide grille. Other items that we can pick out include aggressive wheels/tires and large brakes.

    Inside, the CTS will get Cadillac's CUE infotainment system, a stitched dash, and paddle shifters.

    The big news lies under the hood. This CTS mule appears to be packing a twin-turbo V6 and the way we can tell that is due to the engine cover saying that. Speculation is the cover controls the unpleasant sounds of direct-injection system and is needed during the testing phase. Now, we're not sure if this the 3.0L TT, 3.6L TT, or if its a turbocharged engine at all. We'll find out in due time.

    Source: Inside Line

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    I am looking to see where the TT V6 is placed. As a direct competitor of 535 with ~330 hp or so, between 535 and 550 with ~375 hp or so.

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    even though i like to some degree the new Cadillac interiors, they are a little more gaudy than purposeful. And it doesn't seem they've really been big on controlling gaps and fit as much as they just throw a bunch of showy surfaces out there to distract you from noticing how tight it fits.

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    It's a pre-production interior. Don't judge panel gaps by that picture.

    I do like how they tape over the badge on the steering wheel so you can't tell which brand it is.

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    Interesting, give a good idea of where they are going, but as Olds Says, do NOT judge the fit and finish, this is a mule that will be crushed and destroyed when done. This is not what a customer should expect.

    I do like the Turbo Engine cover. I wonder if this is a twin scroll or single turbo? Anyone have any better details of this new turbo engine for Caddy?

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

    I would imagine that the 3.0TT will be an entirely different beast from the 3.0

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

    Why?

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    even though i like to some degree the new Cadillac interiors, they are a little more gaudy than purposeful. And it doesn't seem they've really been big on controlling gaps and fit as much as they just throw a bunch of showy surfaces out there to distract you from noticing how tight it fits.

    you dont know much about preproduction cars do you? they do not care about the gaps at this time because they are testing other parts of the car.

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

    Why?

    I know that a twin turbocharged engine will have more HP and torque than a NA engine of the same size, but the 3.6L is a great V6 in its own right. What are the benefits of having a TTV6 that is a 3L over the NA 3.6L? Unless the engine ends up being a TTV6-3.6L.....

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

    Why?

    I know that a twin turbocharged engine will have more HP and torque than a NA engine of the same size, but the 3.6L is a great V6 in its own right. What are the benefits of having a TTV6 that is a 3L over the NA 3.6L? Unless the engine ends up being a TTV6-3.6L.....

    The 3.6 still has to work for its lunch in the SRX. They should dial back the HP and up the low end torque on that installation of the engine.

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    Agreed with Reg, that Caddy interiors are getting a bit gaudy, but it is bit too early to tell still on this one. There are things I like more than the current CTS interior (which I don't care for too much) like the upper dash and center console, I like no pop up screen, and that they moved the center vents. But I don't like the center stack buttons or how those AC vents look sort of Camaro-like. It shows promise though, would like to see how it turns out and how build quality compares to the Germans.

    Am curious as to the displacement of the Twin Turbo engine. Assuming the 3.6 carries over with 318ish hp, I would think they have to be going high 300s, plus with better torque delivery. Unless the 3.6 dies and they go 2.0T 270 hp and V6 twin turbo with 350 hp or so. I hope there are 8 gears behind that engine though.

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    BMW V8 for 2013 is getting a power bump to 445 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. So I don't think they are going after the 550i with this engine.

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    BMW V8 for 2013 is getting a power bump to 445 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. So I don't think they are going after the 550i with this engine.

    And it's a V8...you can't compete w/ a V8 w/ a V6...

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    BMW V8 for 2013 is getting a power bump to 445 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. So I don't think they are going after the 550i with this engine.

    And it's a V8...you can't compete w/ a V8 w/ a V6...

    Yes you can, Lincoln says so. When the MKS Ecoboost came out, they said it was better than the V8s from the imports. And the MKS has been very sucessful... oh wait, nevermind.

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    BMW V8 for 2013 is getting a power bump to 445 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. So I don't think they are going after the 550i with this engine.

    And it's a V8...you can't compete w/ a V8 w/ a V6...

    Yes you can, Lincoln says so. When the MKS Ecoboost came out, they said it was better than the V8s from the imports. And the MKS has been very sucessful... oh wait, nevermind.

    Yeah, just marketing blather... the MKS competes against the ES and XTS, which are also FWD w/ V6.

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    BMW V8 for 2013 is getting a power bump to 445 hp and 480 lb-ft of torque. So I don't think they are going after the 550i with this engine.

    Who said Cadillac was?

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    I hope Caddy does not make the mistake of replacing the 3.6L with a 3.0L TT-V6. Having the twin turbo as an option is a better idea. Remember when the new SRX started with just a 3.0L? Bad idea. Once the 3.6L replaced that, all was right in SRX world.

    Why?

    I know that a twin turbocharged engine will have more HP and torque than a NA engine of the same size, but the 3.6L is a great V6 in its own right. What are the benefits of having a TTV6 that is a 3L over the NA 3.6L? Unless the engine ends up being a TTV6-3.6L.....

    The TT DI VVT turbo no matter the size will have a higher torque rating and the torque curve. I would not be suprised to see at least 90% max torque at 1800 RPM and it will hold near 100% from 2000-5500 RPM. The broad flat torque curves are where the performance is and the abilities to get better mpg.

    My LNF 2.0 has max Torque of 315 FL LB at 1800 and holds it till 5300 RPM. If demad is there the torque is there. Torque does the work and gets you up to speed. Off Throttle time the DI fuel is cut off the sooner you get to speed and off throttle the better the fuel savings per the GM performance engineer I questioned when I went from 235 to 290 HP and 240-315 FT LB on my GMPD tune. I saw a average gain of 2 MPG highway and 1-2 city even with the boost of performance.

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    ...you can't compete w/ a V8 w/ a V6...

    Ford ~

    302 V8 :: 360 HP @ 5500, 380 TRQ @ 4250

    214 V6 :: 365 HP @ 5000, 420 TRQ @ 2500

    Nope, no competing there. :alcoholic:

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    ...you can't compete w/ a V8 w/ a V6...

    Ford ~

    302 V8 :: 360 HP @ 5500, 380 TRQ @ 4250

    214 V6 :: 365 HP @ 5000, 420 TRQ @ 2500

    Nope, no competing there. :alcoholic:

    ? Which 5.0? The Mustang 5.0 is over 400hp. What's a '214' V6?

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    Ecoboost in the F150 is what he is referring too.

    You could compete with a NA V8, especially a weakish one like Audi has, with a twin turbo V6. However, BMW and Mercedes have twin turbo V8s and Jaguar has a supercharged V8. And a V6 isn't competing with those.

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    Ecoboost in the F150 is what he is referring too.

    Ah...trucks. Apples and oranges, can't compare engine choices in trucks w/ those of luxury sedans..different niche.

    You could compete with a NA V8, especially a weakish one like Audi has, with a twin turbo V6. However, BMW and Mercedes have twin turbo V8s and Jaguar has a supercharged V8. And a V6 isn't competing with those.

    If the CTS is going to be competing against models like the E-class and 5-series it's going to come up short without a regular (non-V series) V8 version..needs a DOHC V8. The Lexus GS is trying to go without a V8 option but it's going to go nowhere against the big boys...

    Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar
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