Jump to content
  • William Maley
    William Maley

    What is the Future of the Chevrolet SS?

      GM's Chief Engineer for the Camaro and SS Gives Some Hope for SS Fans

    With the Holden Commodore saying goodbye in 2017, it was assumed that the Chevrolet SS would follow suit. But some recent comments last week are making us rethink that.

     

    During a discussion at the New York Auto Show, Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro and SS hinted that all was not lost for the SS.

     

    “It sells what it’s supposed to. And we haven’t announced an end date to it, so we’re just … we know that there are some decisions made on the Zeta [platform], that are imminent, and right now we’re just focused on the new ’17 model, which is great. It has the LS3 with the manual and the active exhausts, and it’s a great car,” said Oppenheiser.

     

    The lack of end date is very curious as we know the Commodore will be finished in 2017, leaving the SS in a tough spot.

     

    Australian outlet CarAdvice asked if another sedan could serve as a replacement for the SS and Oppenheiser said maybe. But Oppenheiser was quick to point out this might not happen.

     

    “I’m not answering the questions, so I’m not leaving you with any hope.”

     

    But Al, you did leave some hope for those who want the SS to stick around. Whether or not anything happens, we'll be watching closely.

     

    Source: CarAdvice
    Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    SS Halo 4 door Sedan with V8 very well could live on as a special edition auto based on a frame used by Cadillac, Buick, etc. They very well could keep the SS going as long as it helps to reduce costs and breaks even or even makes a profit, a small one at that.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Well..crazy idea.

     

    The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? 

    The Zeta platform need not go away...

     

    If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...

    • Upvote 1
    • Downvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Well here is my take I have had for a good while. 

    GM has to update the Alpha. It was done fast well but when it was done things that were not important then are now important like bring lighter and more global with RHD. 

     

    GM will revamp the Alpha when doing the refresh on  the ATS and CTS when they move to the CT branding. 

     

    This will open the door to the Camaro going to a RHD. This in turn will provide an Lengthen Camaro platform to be built with its own sheet metal with a Camaro suspension that will become the Impala and Impala SS. 

     

    GM needed to move the Malibu up in size a bit. They did that with the present Impala Styling. 

    GM was killing the Zeta in 2017. That is still planned. 

     

    The present Impala needs to move on as the platform it is on is going away. 

    Knowing the Zeta was going to die and the Impala was going to change they did bring the SS here in small volumes as they had said they would. They said from the start they would do 2500 or more depending on the call for the car but it was made clear that volumes would be very low. It has been. 

     

    Now they named the SS a SS sport sedan. Odd for GM to call it an SS as they never named a car SS only in the past as it always was attached to the model it was based on. Well it was not an impala or Malibu so what do you call it and do you put an Impala name on it when it really is not an impala? 

     

    My gut is they had planned on a move to make an 4 and 6 cylinder RWD impala once the Bu was redone. Their plan is to put an 8 in a Impala SS and sell it as a sedan that will not look like a Camaro but will drive like one. 

    This would give the Malibu more space. It would help Chevy have a RWD sedan worth the extra money they would have to ask and it would still leverage out the Alpha even more. 

     

    Al 

    How will the SS and Cadillac be different. Well Cadillac will start to get their own engines soon. We also will see much more technology in the Cadillac too. There will be a marked difference between Chevy and Cadillac in all areas unlike so much of the recent past. 

     

    I think the Buick has some surprises coming that may make some forget the Avista. They just trademarked a new name and there has been hints they have a new coupe and or convertible coming. 

     

    Velectra has just been registered so we will have to see what this brings. But what ever they do it will be different than the Chevy and Cadillac and really make up that middle ground. 

     

    I have met Al Oppenheiser and gotten to speak with him on new products. He is a no BS kind of guy and if he says something it is something that is being done. Now it can change later but as of now I would take what he says here to heart. Nothing is certain till it hits the show room but the odds are good we will see the new SS and more with it. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

    • Downvote 3
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

    Edited by hyperv6
    • Upvote 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

     

     

    Thanx for the answer Hyper.

    And...because I read your posts often, I knew exactly where the LX cars and Sergio  and the Zeta platform fit in  in 2016 before I made that post.

    You always keep me informed.

     

    But...I did say crazy idea, bad idea or not....it was meant all in good fun.

    With a touch of fantasy...my fantasy...

    Why?

     

     

    The Oshawa plant I think is being closed down....thousands of Canadian jobs are gonna be lost....

    I did not mention this, nor did I elude to it...because its a fait accompli...

     

    Now...my biggest pet peeve, is this down voting without rebuttal, because there is no discussion being made....so...

    We both are having this discussion and you are finding out why I made this bad idea, yet you are NOT the one to down vote me...

     

    I would have NOT lost my marbles had this person just typed what you did....but at least I would know why and he would know why...

     

    Technically, its still a mystery to me...

     

    (So...my post being more of a fantasy thing rather than a serious thing...does it still deserve a down vote? I mean, it wasnt a trolly remark, nor a hate remark...bad idea or not...it was not meant to be taken seriously...hence the warning in the very beginning...crazy idea)

     

    I at least got your point of view....which we chearsandgear folk all know where you stand on the LX cars as you keep on STRESSING the problems with the LX cars...and now Ill agree with your take on the modest profits opinion as well....

    And now you folk understand why this "bad idea fantasy" post was made....

    Yet...the down voter is still at large and we are all in the dark as to why he/she would do such a thing with out a decent rebuttal.

     

    You see, I cant judge to rebuttal so I could repay the favour back ....

     

    I up voted you Hyper, for having the decency and the cohones to actually have a discussion...and...its not as if we havent had any love/hate discussions in the past...

    You took a chance on this response not knowing my reaction back to you...

    Edited by oldshurst442
    • Downvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Well..crazy idea.

     

    The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? 

    The Zeta platform need not go away...

     

    If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...

     

    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

    People vote down because they are children. Just do away with it altogether and get rid of the last of those children.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    • Upvote 3
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

     

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind. 

    • Upvote 2
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

     

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

     

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind. 

     

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic. 

    Edited by surreal1272
    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

     

     

    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

     

     

    Thanx for the answer Hyper.

    And...because I read your posts often, I knew exactly where the LX cars and Sergio  and the Zeta platform fit in  in 2016 before I made that post.

    You always keep me informed.

     

    But...I did say crazy idea, bad idea or not....it was meant all in good fun.

    With a touch of fantasy...my fantasy...

    Why?

     

     

    The Oshawa plant I think is being closed down....thousands of Canadian jobs are gonna be lost....

    I did not mention this, nor did I elude to it...because its a fait accompli...

     

    Now...my biggest pet peeve, is this down voting without rebuttal, because there is no discussion being made....so...

    We both are having this discussion and you are finding out why I made this bad idea, yet you are NOT the one to down vote me...

     

    I would have NOT lost my marbles had this person just typed what you did....but at least I would know why and he would know why...

     

    Technically, its still a mystery to me...

     

    (So...my post being more of a fantasy thing rather than a serious thing...does it still deserve a down vote? I mean, it wasnt a trolly remark, nor a hate remark...bad idea or not...it was not meant to be taken seriously...hence the warning in the very beginning...crazy idea)

     

    I at least got your point of view....which we chearsandgear folk all know where you stand on the LX cars as you keep on STRESSING the problems with the LX cars...and now Ill agree with your take on the modest profits opinion as well....

    And now you folk understand why this "bad idea fantasy" post was made....

    Yet...the down voter is still at large and we are all in the dark as to why he/she would do such a thing with out a decent rebuttal.

     

    You see, I cant judge to rebuttal so I could repay the favour back ....

     

    I up voted you Hyper, for having the decency and the cohones to actually have a discussion...and...its not as if we havent had any love/hate discussions in the past...

    You took a chance on this response not knowing my reaction back to you...

     

     

     

    You can say crazy but too many people take things seriously on the web and stuff like this just opens so many even more craxy thing. Lets face it there are still some that can not accept or understand Pontiac is dead and not coming back anytime soon. 

    There is a future at Oshawa but it is in the hands of the CAW. If they want to make competitive bids to build cars there vs the other plants they will win the work. The plants getting work now are ones who make competitive contracts and they are rewarded. GM has more plants than needed and some UAW unions get it finally and are learning that to make their future they have to work with GM not dictate what they have to have. 

     

    It takes no cohones to to reply just an honest opinion and answers. I am not young enough to care about votes or followers. Things like votes can only hurt you if you really care. I don't. The fact is be honest with your thought and measured with what you think. Sometimes you are right sometimes you are wrong but believe in what you believe. 

     

    This stuff about voting up down or logging followers on Face book are all useless games. They only hold meaning if you allocate meaning to them. 

     

    The down voter only hold power if you grant it. Suck it up and just don't give a damn and you will be fine. You get to a point in life you learn all that popularity and focus we craved we were young was just wasted time. 

    Chrysler is in bad shape right now and just in the last few months Sergio has had to change gears. His plans to build Alfa and Maserati have failed miserably. FCA needs a lot of volume and Chrysler Dodge is the prime unit to do it just as Jeep has shown. The real question now is who will they partner with and is there still enough time to get Chrysler into the game as they are about 5 years behind where they should be now. 

    Chrysler is stuck with old LX cars that are not bringing in money as they once did and the 200 and Dart failed miserably. While better than what they had they still lagged behind the market with the poor Fiat corp underpinnings. 

     

    Now we need to hope they let Chrysler do their own cars or do them with a good partner like Mazda. Then let them do their own RWD and stop thinking Alfa. They also need to find a way to keep the V8 even in low numbers as word has been they were going to kill the V8. I am ok with a turbo v6 but they still need to keep an 8 for some models. 

     

    Finally they need the money to deal with the quality issues they have had. New product and better investing into these models will fix this but will they learn?

     

    While I am not a Chrysler fan I hope they can pull this out as it pained me to see the loss of Plymouth and the down grade of Chrysler from what it was and could be. 

     

    I pray Mazda comes in and fixes their smaller cars. I really thing if Mazda cam in and ran the show it would fix a lot of things for both brands as Mazda need volume to make the profits they need. Sales for them are good but not enough to pay development cost that are just so high anymore. 

     

    But in the end back to Zeta. It is time to put it to rest. It has done it's job and then some and really can not be improved much more than they already have. You have two world class platforms now that are more flexible than the Zeta could have ever been now is the time to make use of them in as many ways possible. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    It takes no cohones to to reply just an honest opinion and answers. I am not young enough to care about votes or followers. Things like votes can only hurt you if you really care. I don't. The fact is be honest with your thought and measured with what you think. Sometimes you are right sometimes you are wrong but believe in what you believe.

     

    Yeah...I like this way of thinking.

     

    This stuff about voting up down or logging followers on Face book are all useless games. They only hold meaning if you allocate meaning to them.

     

     

    I must admit, I have to learn this lesson.

     

    Its not the down vote that bothers me, its the lack of discussion that goes with it...but yeah, I must learn to not give a shyte...and just continue to have fun, reciprocate the fun, and learn...like the rest of your post...

     

    The down voter only hold power if you grant it. Suck it up and just don't give a damn and you will be fine. You get to a point in life you learn all that popularity and focus we craved we were young was just wasted time.

     

     

    Yup...Im 43...like I said, it aint about the popularity thing of it...but like you said...I SHOULD learn to SUCK IT UP!!!!

    Ill get there eventually.

     

    The rest of your post is spot on......

     

    And yeah, about Oshawa...Ill quote it down below since THIS is how unions should be doing business in 2016 with their partnered corporations:

    There is a future at Oshawa but it is in the hands of the CAW. If they want to make competitive bids to build cars there vs the other plants they will win the work. The plants getting work now are ones who make competitive contracts and they are rewarded. GM has more plants than needed and some UAW unions get it finally and are learning that to make their future they have to work with GM not dictate what they have to have.

     

     

     

     

     

    Thanx again Hyper....

    Until we cross heads again...

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing.

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about.

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind.

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic.

    Hey man, I sent you a pm. I really didn't clarify what I meant by that. Sorry about that.

    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing.

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about.
    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind.

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic.
    Hey man, I sent you a pm. I really didn't clarify what I meant by that. Sorry about that.

    It's all good in the hood.

    Edited by surreal1272
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

     

     

    Just quoting MR. DFELT...because he said it eloquently.

     

    YA'LL can downvote away...like Hyper said...I should let it slide my back...and I will...

     

    Yet...its YOU folk that down vote that are bothered and care the most for the reputation....

     

    Because....ALL my statements are NOT trolly, nor full of hate...

     

    TRUTH hits you folk...but hide between a computer screen and a voting system...

     

    STATE the reasons why!!!!

     

    I have....And I CONTINUE to VOICE my displeasure....

    WHAT? You gonna down vote this too???

     

    Go ahead....downvote...it just sees like cowardice to me though....

     

    VOICE your displeasure.....COME ON!!!!  I DARE YOU!!!!

     

    NAH....its easy to behave like children....wah wah wah...I dont like what he said....Ill down vote him...wah wah wah...

     

    PATHETIC!!!!

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    no point to a future RWD Impala either.  It does quite well as a fwd appliance.  And right now, there is plenty of size diff between it and the new Malibu.  Even if the bu cuts into the Impala sales, the Imp will still sell in nice numbers.  Even if the SS was offered for less money and with a v6, it would not sell near what the badge sells now still.  

     

    With electrics honing in and the advent of self driving cars etc, there is not a need for Chevy to try to make a RWD large sedan.    I might even argue its more Buick's territory now, except that Chevy has wider distribution.

     

    No need for an Avista either.  Coupes apart from Camaro anymore are a hard sell.

     

    Cutting the impala from a 80-100k a year seller down to a 30k a year seller would not return those units back to Malibu sales.  Just like the last style Impala, I see GM leaving this one on the market in some form for 5-7 years min.

     

    The ONLY wildcard here is GM producing a large RWD chevy because global demand like in AU might make a case for it.  But that is even stretching it.  They would HAVE to add AWD to the option sheet.

    Edited by regfootball
    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    no point to a future RWD Impala either.  It does quite well as a fwd appliance.  And right now, there is plenty of size diff between it and the new Malibu.  Even if the bu cuts into the Impala sales, the Imp will still sell in nice numbers.  Even if the SS was offered for less money and with a v6, it would not sell near what the badge sells now still.  

     

    With electrics honing in and the advent of self driving cars etc, there is not a need for Chevy to try to make a RWD large sedan.    I might even argue its more Buick's territory now, except that Chevy has wider distribution.

     

    No need for an Avista either.  Coupes apart from Camaro anymore are a hard sell.

     

    Cutting the impala from a 80-100k a year seller down to a 30k a year seller would not return those units back to Malibu sales.  Just like the last style Impala, I see GM leaving this one on the market in some form for 5-7 years min.

     

    The ONLY wildcard here is GM producing a large RWD chevy because global demand like in AU might make a case for it.  But that is even stretching it.  They would HAVE to add AWD to the option sheet.

     

     

    Your last statement is why it most likely will be considered or done. 

     

    Here is the deal as the larger sedans sales are not big now like 300K of the past. The key will be to make it more profitable and increase volumes globally several ways. 

     

    As it is now I expect the Bu to take many Impala sales since it is larger and cheaper looking similar to what the Imp is now. 

     

    CUV and SUV sales will help limit growth in America. 

     

    Holden needs a new larger sedan. Vauxhall needs a new sedan. Opel could use a larger sedan. South Africa needs a Holden replacement. The Middle East needs a RWD replacement for the Chevy. Even places in South America can use a RWD car. Korea could use a partner to the Camaro. China? As it is now the Impala would be lost in the crowd and nor coveted much as it has so little to offer in the well saturated FWD segments globally. 

     

    Add in Service fleet sales as taxi and police use could be a real volume king here as there is no replacement for the Holden now. GM still needs a SUV like Ford sells for police work that is efficient and affordable. The Tahoe price scares off many. 

    AWD would be easy to add but pricing in America would be critical. You can not put the best system on and over price the car either. 

     

    The leveraging out of the Alpha would increase profits and make it even more global. The key to the future with using smaller volumes in many markets to make your  profits. 

     

    As for Avista there is a place for it but to do a coupe you have to use care. It much be very different from the Camaro for one. It also must wait till it too can be a Holden and Opel. Finally Cadillac has to continue their move up to make space for this car.  Buick would be better suited to making it into a Coupe styled sedan as this is one of the fastest growing car segments out there in a stagnate car segment. 

     

    There is a place yet for larger sedans as self driving cars are not going to take over soon. At times I still think it is over played much yet. Once some appear they will find the weakness in the system will still be the humans. I could see games being played by drivers and road rage making the self driving cars do things you really don't want done. Let alone failed sensors and other issues. Even air planes may have auto pilots but there is still a human there to take control at any second. Same for space ships. The Shuttles were auto land till they found out that they forgot about a tail wind and almost belly landed the craft because the gear was set to come down at a specific air speed. From then on the pilots went back to doing it as NASA found it was the only safe way. 

     

    Also right now the Lacrosse is planted right where the Impala would be. Do we really need two of them? Is there any place in the world that would want the Lacrosse other than China? I see little globalness to that one. 

     

    Holden will already get their own version of the Regal that is based on the Malibu platform. There will be no need for another FWD there. 

     

    You have to find a way to make a Chevy that is worth 33K-49K and different and the only real way is to make it RWD/AWD. 

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The SS is dead next year in my opinion.  The Caprice and SS were ways to extract some money out of the Zeta platform after Pontiac died a sudden death.   They only sell a couple hundred SS sedans each month for a company that sells 200,000 cars we are talking .1% of sales.  They can't be bothered to have such a slow seller.  It is like Mini with the Roadster that sells 39 cars a month, that is bigger % of Mini sales than the SS is of Chevy sales.

     

    CAFE will also kill the V8 Chevy sedan idea, they are putting turbo 4s in full size Cadillacs, in the 2020s I think you'll see a turbo 4 in a full size pick up.  And GM has an answer for people that want RWD and high perofmance sedan, you buy a Cadillac.  This is why the Nissan Altima or Maxima isn't rear drive with a 400 hp V8, they make you buy an Infiniti.

     

    As far as police car use, the Impala could serve as a police car easily.  The W-boby Impala was a police car, so FWD is fine, and prefered in some snow belt states.  Also a 300 hp V6  Impala is 60 hp more than a Crown Vic ever had, and the Impala weighs less than that beast.

     

    So all those factors would lead me to believe, no RWD Chevy sedan.

    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The SS is dead next year in my opinion.  The Caprice and SS were ways to extract some money out of the Zeta platform after Pontiac died a sudden death.   They only sell a couple hundred SS sedans each month for a company that sells 200,000 cars we are talking .1% of sales.  They can't be bothered to have such a slow seller.  It is like Mini with the Roadster that sells 39 cars a month, that is bigger % of Mini sales than the SS is of Chevy sales.

     

    CAFE will also kill the V8 Chevy sedan idea, they are putting turbo 4s in full size Cadillacs, in the 2020s I think you'll see a turbo 4 in a full size pick up.  And GM has an answer for people that want RWD and high perofmance sedan, you buy a Cadillac.  This is why the Nissan Altima or Maxima isn't rear drive with a 400 hp V8, they make you buy an Infiniti.

     

    As far as police car use, the Impala could serve as a police car easily.  The W-boby Impala was a police car, so FWD is fine, and prefered in some snow belt states.  Also a 300 hp V6  Impala is 60 hp more than a Crown Vic ever had, and the Impala weighs less than that beast.

     

    So all those factors would lead me to believe, no RWD Chevy sedan.

    Hence you are missing the big picture.

    There is a market globally for a RWD sedan that is not a Cadillac. Now each market the numbers are lower than in past history. But with all the collective global markets there is a good profit to be made. The V8 would only be in the SS and would be a small number compared tot he V6 and Turbo 4 models offered in a regular non SS model

    Given a choice the police prefer the RWD cars. The Fords only sell because generally they are the lowest bidder.

    Most departments are moving to Explorers with AWD some with TT V6 that are no more efficient than the V8 cars.

    To really get this project is to understand the global market and where all the Zeta has been sold and where sales could be improved. While Larger RWD is not the top dog segment in volume there is still money to be collected with the volume of a global market.

    It is a deal where you work smarter not harder.

    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    They could make an AWD Impala police car, that is easy.   They could put a diesel in it that would have higher durability and lower operating cost if they wanted. 

     

    As far as global rear wheel drive, that is what Cadillac is for.  They aren't selling an Opel rear drive sedan, nor a rear drive Buick sedan in China.  So we are talking about a small number of cars in Australia.  I am pro-rear wheel drive, but making a rear drive V8 Chevy performance sedan makes no sense. 

     

    I have actually said before I think the Buick Regal should be rear drive to be different, with a 200 hp 4-cylinder and 270 hp turbo 4 option.  There is no mid-size rwd car that is like $30k.

    • Upvote 1
    Link to comment
    Share on other sites



    Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
    Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

    Guest
    Add a comment...

    ×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

      Only 75 emoji are allowed.

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

    ×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Similar Content

    • By William Maley
      Jaguar Land Rover hasn't been doing very well for the past few years. Numerous issues such as poor sales in China, demand for diesel powered vehicles dropping, and the pandemic have put the automaker in a difficult place. This morning in the United Kingdom, Jaguar Land Rover CEO Thierry Bolloré announced plans to make Jaguar an electric only brand by 2025; Land Rover to launch six electric models; and to become a net-zero-carbon business by 2039.
      "We are harnessing those ingredients today to reimagine the business, the two brands and the customer experience of tomorrow. The Reimagine strategy allows us to enhance and celebrate that uniqueness like never before. Together, we can design an even more sustainable and positive impact on the world around us," Bolloré said in a statement.
      Jaguar

      Out of the two brands, Jaguar is hurting the most. Sales have dropped like a rock due to people stepping away from sedans and diesel powertrains. Bolloré's plan has the brand moving to an all-electric lineup by 2025. Not many details were released or talked about during the press conference this morning. What we do know is,
      Future models will utilize a new modular electric platform, known as the Electric Modular Architecture (EMA). The planned XJ replacement, rumored to go electric has been canceled. Likely reason for the cancelation is the platform that was going to be used for this model likely didn't scale to other models. Jaguar did say the XJ name could appear again on a future model. Automotive News (Subscription Required) reports that Jaguar will also move away from SUV-styled vehicles, likely meaning the end of the E and F-Pace. Land Rover

      Land Rover isn't going to dive in quickly as Jaguar into EVs. The plan is to continue offering a mix of powertrains, but with a heavy focus on electrification. Six all-electric models are planned to be launched by 2030, with the first model coming out in 2024. No word on what that model would be, but our guess is possibly a Range Rover EV. Land Rover will use Electric Modular Architecture for EVs, alongside the Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA) for hybrids. The goal is to have 60 percent of Land Rover sales be for electrics by 2030.
      Other Details
      Jaguar Land Rover said that it would keep all three of its U.K. plans open, but the Castle Bromwich plant(home to Jaguar XE, XF, and F-Type production) has a unclear future.
      “First we will continue production of our existing nameplates built there to the end of their lifecycle. Then we will explore opportunities to refurbish the plant, which could benefit from the consolidation of businesses scattered across the Midlands,” said Bolloré.
      Jaguar Land Rover is also planning on moving their executive team and other major management positions to a centralized location in Gaydon, and work more closely with their parent company, Tata Group.
      Source: Jaguar Land Rover
      Jaguar Land Rover reimagines the future of modern luxury by design
      New global strategy – Reimagine – announced for the British company under the leadership of Chief Executive Officer, Thierry Bolloré A sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact Start of journey to become a net zero carbon business by 2039 Reimagination of Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand from 2025 to ‘realise its unique potential’ In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs All Jaguar and Land Rover nameplates to be available in pure electric form by end of the decade; first all-electric Land Rover model in 2024 Clean-hydrogen fuel-cell power being developed in preparation for future demand Streamlined structure to deliver greater agility and promote an efficiency of focus Global manufacturing and assembly footprint to be retained, rightsized, repurposed and reorganised Collaborations and knowledge-sharing with industry leaders, in particular from within the wider Tata Group will allow the company to explore potential synergies on clean energy, connected services, data and software development leadership On a path towards double-digit EBIT margin and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025 with a value creation approach delivering quality and profit-over-volume Gaydon, UK - Monday 15th February 2021:
      A vision of modern luxury by design
      Jaguar Land Rover will reimagine the future of modern luxury by design through its two distinct, British brands.
      Set against a canvas of true sustainability, Jaguar Land Rover will become a more agile creator of the world’s most desirable luxury vehicles and services for the most discerning of customers. A strategy that is designed to create a new benchmark in environmental, societal and community impact for a luxury business.
      “Jaguar Land Rover is unique in the global automotive industry. Designers of peerless models, an unrivalled understanding of the future luxury needs of its customers, emotionally rich brand equity, a spirit of Britishness and unrivalled access to leading global players in technology and sustainability within the wider Tata Group.
      “We are harnessing those ingredients today to reimagine the business, the two brands and the customer experience of tomorrow. The Reimagine strategy allows us to enhance and celebrate that uniqueness like never before. Together, we can design an even more sustainable and positive impact on the world around us,” said Mr Bolloré.
      Two distinct modern luxury brands with sustainability at the centre
      At the heart of its Reimagine plan will be the electrification of both Land Rover and Jaguar brands on separate architectures with two clear, unique personalities.
      In a Land Rover, vehicle and driver are united by adventure. By breaking new ground, confronting new challenges and not being content with the expected, Land Rover truly helps people to go ‘Above and Beyond’. In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs through its three families of Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. The first all-electric variant will arrive in 2024.
      By the middle of the decade, Jaguar will have undergone a renaissance to emerge as a pure electric luxury brand with a dramatically beautiful new portfolio of emotionally engaging designs and pioneering next-generation technologies. Jaguar will exist to make life extraordinary by creating dramatically beautiful automotive experiences that leave its customers feeling unique and rewarded. Although the nameplate may be retained, the planned Jaguar XJ replacement will not form part of the line-up, as the brand looks to realise its unique potential.
      Jaguar and Land Rover will offer pure electric power, nameplate by nameplate, by 2030. By this time, in addition to 100% of Jaguar sales, it is anticipated that around 60% of Land Rovers sold will be equipped with zero tailpipe powertrains.
      Jaguar Land Rover’s aim is to achieve net zero carbon emissions across its supply chain, products and operations by 2039. As part of this ambition, the company is also preparing for the expected adoption of clean fuel-cell power in line with a maturing of the hydrogen economy. Development is already underway with prototypes arriving on UK roads within the next 12 months as part of the long-term investment programme.
      Sustainability that delivers a new benchmark in environmental and societal impact for the luxury sector is fundamental to the success of Reimagine. A new centralised team will be empowered to build on and accelerate pioneering innovations in materiality, engineering, manufacturing, services and circular economy investments. 
      Annual commitments of circa £2.5bn will include investments in electrification technologies and the development of connected services to enhance the journey and experiences of customers, alongside data-centric technologies that will further improve their ownership ecosystem.
      Proven services like the flexible PIVOTAL subscription model (which has grown 750% during the fiscal year), born out of Jaguar Land Rover’s incubator and investor arm, InMotion, will now be rolled out to other markets following a successful launch in the UK.
      Quality and efficiency
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover establish new benchmark standards in quality and efficiency for the luxury sector by rightsizing, repurposing and reorganising.
      Central to that journey, and in order to establish different personalities for the two brands, is the new architecture strategy. 
      Land Rover will use the forthcoming flex Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA). It will deliver electrified internal combustion engines (ICE) and full electric variants as the company evolves its product line-up in the future. In addition, Land Rover will also use pure electric biased Electric Modular Architecture (EMA) which will also support advanced electrified ICE.
      Future Jaguar models will be built exclusively on a pure electric architecture.
      Reimagine is designed to deliver simplification too. By consolidating the number of platforms and models being produced per plant, the company will be able to establish new benchmark standards in efficient scale and quality for the luxury sector. Such an approach will help rationalise sourcing and accelerate investments in local circular economy supply chains.
      From a core manufacturing perspective that means Jaguar Land Rover will retain its plant and assembly facilities in the home UK market and around the world. As well as being the manufacturer of the MLA architecture, Solihull, West Midlands will also be the home to the future advanced Jaguar pure electric platform. 
      Key partners including Trade Unions, retailers and those in the supply chain will continue to play a vital part of the extended new Jaguar Land Rover ecosystem and its journey towards reimagining the future of modern luxury.
      ReFocus to a more agile operation
      As evidenced with the latest financial results, Jaguar Land Rover has a strong foundation on which to build a sustainable and resilient business for its customers and their communities, partners, employees, shareholders and the environment.
      Driving this transformation is the recently launched Refocus programme, by consolidating existing initiatives like Charge+ with new cross-functional activities.
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover right-size, repurpose and reorganise into a more agile operation. The creation of a flatter structure is designed to empower employees to create and deliver at speed and with clear purpose.
      To accelerate this efficiency of focus, the company will substantially reduce and rationalise its non-manufacturing infrastructure in the UK. Gaydon will become the symbol of this effort – the ‘reactor’ of the business - with the Executive Team and other management functions moving into the one location to aid frictionless cooperation and agile decision-making.  
      Leapfrog to leadership with Tata Group
      In order to realise its vision of modern luxury mobility with confidence, the company will curate closer collaboration and knowledge-sharing with Tata Group companies to enhance sustainability and reduce emissions as well as sharing best practice in next-generation technology, data and software development leadership. Jaguar Land Rover has been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tata Motors, in which Tata Sons is the largest shareholder, since 2008.
      “We have so many ingredients from within. It is a unique opportunity,” said Mr Bolloré. “Others have to rely solely on external partnerships and compromise, but we have frictionless access that will allow us to lean forward with confidence and at speed.”
      Bringing all these ingredients together, Jaguar Land Rover is on a path towards double-digit EBIT margins and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025. 
      Ultimately, Jaguar Land Rover aims to be one of the most profitable luxury manufacturers in the world.
      Mr N Chandrasekaran, Chairman of Tata Sons, Tata Motors and Jaguar Land Rover Automotive plc commented: “The Reimagine strategy takes Jaguar Land Rover on a significant path of acceleration in harmony with the vision and sustainability priorities of the wider Tata Group. Together, we will help Jaguar realise its potential, reinforce Land Rover’s timeless appeal and collectively become a symbol of a truly responsible business for its customers, society and the planet.”
      Mr Bolloré concluded: “As a human-centred company, we can, and will, move much faster and with clear purpose of not just reimagining modern luxury but defining it for two distinct brands. Brands that present emotionally unique designs, pieces of art if you like, but all with connected technologies and responsible materials that collectively set new standards in ownership. We are reimagining a new modern luxury by design.”

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      Jaguar Land Rover hasn't been doing very well for the past few years. Numerous issues such as poor sales in China, demand for diesel powered vehicles dropping, and the pandemic have put the automaker in a difficult place. This morning in the United Kingdom, Jaguar Land Rover CEO Thierry Bolloré announced plans to make Jaguar an electric only brand by 2025; Land Rover to launch six electric models; and to become a net-zero-carbon business by 2039.
      "We are harnessing those ingredients today to reimagine the business, the two brands and the customer experience of tomorrow. The Reimagine strategy allows us to enhance and celebrate that uniqueness like never before. Together, we can design an even more sustainable and positive impact on the world around us," Bolloré said in a statement.
      Jaguar

      Out of the two brands, Jaguar is hurting the most. Sales have dropped like a rock due to people stepping away from sedans and diesel powertrains. Bolloré's plan has the brand moving to an all-electric lineup by 2025. Not many details were released or talked about during the press conference this morning. What we do know is,
      Future models will utilize a new modular electric platform, known as the Electric Modular Architecture (EMA). The planned XJ replacement, rumored to go electric has been canceled. Likely reason for the cancelation is the platform that was going to be used for this model likely didn't scale to other models. Jaguar did say the XJ name could appear again on a future model. Automotive News (Subscription Required) reports that Jaguar will also move away from SUV-styled vehicles, likely meaning the end of the E and F-Pace. Land Rover

      Land Rover isn't going to dive in quickly as Jaguar into EVs. The plan is to continue offering a mix of powertrains, but with a heavy focus on electrification. Six all-electric models are planned to be launched by 2030, with the first model coming out in 2024. No word on what that model would be, but our guess is possibly a Range Rover EV. Land Rover will use Electric Modular Architecture for EVs, alongside the Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA) for hybrids. The goal is to have 60 percent of Land Rover sales be for electrics by 2030.
      Other Details
      Jaguar Land Rover said that it would keep all three of its U.K. plans open, but the Castle Bromwich plant(home to Jaguar XE, XF, and F-Type production) has a unclear future.
      “First we will continue production of our existing nameplates built there to the end of their lifecycle. Then we will explore opportunities to refurbish the plant, which could benefit from the consolidation of businesses scattered across the Midlands,” said Bolloré.
      Jaguar Land Rover is also planning on moving their executive team and other major management positions to a centralized location in Gaydon, and work more closely with their parent company, Tata Group.
      Source: Jaguar Land Rover
      Jaguar Land Rover reimagines the future of modern luxury by design
      New global strategy – Reimagine – announced for the British company under the leadership of Chief Executive Officer, Thierry Bolloré A sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact Start of journey to become a net zero carbon business by 2039 Reimagination of Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand from 2025 to ‘realise its unique potential’ In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs All Jaguar and Land Rover nameplates to be available in pure electric form by end of the decade; first all-electric Land Rover model in 2024 Clean-hydrogen fuel-cell power being developed in preparation for future demand Streamlined structure to deliver greater agility and promote an efficiency of focus Global manufacturing and assembly footprint to be retained, rightsized, repurposed and reorganised Collaborations and knowledge-sharing with industry leaders, in particular from within the wider Tata Group will allow the company to explore potential synergies on clean energy, connected services, data and software development leadership On a path towards double-digit EBIT margin and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025 with a value creation approach delivering quality and profit-over-volume Gaydon, UK - Monday 15th February 2021:
      A vision of modern luxury by design
      Jaguar Land Rover will reimagine the future of modern luxury by design through its two distinct, British brands.
      Set against a canvas of true sustainability, Jaguar Land Rover will become a more agile creator of the world’s most desirable luxury vehicles and services for the most discerning of customers. A strategy that is designed to create a new benchmark in environmental, societal and community impact for a luxury business.
      “Jaguar Land Rover is unique in the global automotive industry. Designers of peerless models, an unrivalled understanding of the future luxury needs of its customers, emotionally rich brand equity, a spirit of Britishness and unrivalled access to leading global players in technology and sustainability within the wider Tata Group.
      “We are harnessing those ingredients today to reimagine the business, the two brands and the customer experience of tomorrow. The Reimagine strategy allows us to enhance and celebrate that uniqueness like never before. Together, we can design an even more sustainable and positive impact on the world around us,” said Mr Bolloré.
      Two distinct modern luxury brands with sustainability at the centre
      At the heart of its Reimagine plan will be the electrification of both Land Rover and Jaguar brands on separate architectures with two clear, unique personalities.
      In a Land Rover, vehicle and driver are united by adventure. By breaking new ground, confronting new challenges and not being content with the expected, Land Rover truly helps people to go ‘Above and Beyond’. In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs through its three families of Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. The first all-electric variant will arrive in 2024.
      By the middle of the decade, Jaguar will have undergone a renaissance to emerge as a pure electric luxury brand with a dramatically beautiful new portfolio of emotionally engaging designs and pioneering next-generation technologies. Jaguar will exist to make life extraordinary by creating dramatically beautiful automotive experiences that leave its customers feeling unique and rewarded. Although the nameplate may be retained, the planned Jaguar XJ replacement will not form part of the line-up, as the brand looks to realise its unique potential.
      Jaguar and Land Rover will offer pure electric power, nameplate by nameplate, by 2030. By this time, in addition to 100% of Jaguar sales, it is anticipated that around 60% of Land Rovers sold will be equipped with zero tailpipe powertrains.
      Jaguar Land Rover’s aim is to achieve net zero carbon emissions across its supply chain, products and operations by 2039. As part of this ambition, the company is also preparing for the expected adoption of clean fuel-cell power in line with a maturing of the hydrogen economy. Development is already underway with prototypes arriving on UK roads within the next 12 months as part of the long-term investment programme.
      Sustainability that delivers a new benchmark in environmental and societal impact for the luxury sector is fundamental to the success of Reimagine. A new centralised team will be empowered to build on and accelerate pioneering innovations in materiality, engineering, manufacturing, services and circular economy investments. 
      Annual commitments of circa £2.5bn will include investments in electrification technologies and the development of connected services to enhance the journey and experiences of customers, alongside data-centric technologies that will further improve their ownership ecosystem.
      Proven services like the flexible PIVOTAL subscription model (which has grown 750% during the fiscal year), born out of Jaguar Land Rover’s incubator and investor arm, InMotion, will now be rolled out to other markets following a successful launch in the UK.
      Quality and efficiency
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover establish new benchmark standards in quality and efficiency for the luxury sector by rightsizing, repurposing and reorganising.
      Central to that journey, and in order to establish different personalities for the two brands, is the new architecture strategy. 
      Land Rover will use the forthcoming flex Modular Longitudinal Architecture (MLA). It will deliver electrified internal combustion engines (ICE) and full electric variants as the company evolves its product line-up in the future. In addition, Land Rover will also use pure electric biased Electric Modular Architecture (EMA) which will also support advanced electrified ICE.
      Future Jaguar models will be built exclusively on a pure electric architecture.
      Reimagine is designed to deliver simplification too. By consolidating the number of platforms and models being produced per plant, the company will be able to establish new benchmark standards in efficient scale and quality for the luxury sector. Such an approach will help rationalise sourcing and accelerate investments in local circular economy supply chains.
      From a core manufacturing perspective that means Jaguar Land Rover will retain its plant and assembly facilities in the home UK market and around the world. As well as being the manufacturer of the MLA architecture, Solihull, West Midlands will also be the home to the future advanced Jaguar pure electric platform. 
      Key partners including Trade Unions, retailers and those in the supply chain will continue to play a vital part of the extended new Jaguar Land Rover ecosystem and its journey towards reimagining the future of modern luxury.
      ReFocus to a more agile operation
      As evidenced with the latest financial results, Jaguar Land Rover has a strong foundation on which to build a sustainable and resilient business for its customers and their communities, partners, employees, shareholders and the environment.
      Driving this transformation is the recently launched Refocus programme, by consolidating existing initiatives like Charge+ with new cross-functional activities.
      Reimagine will see Jaguar Land Rover right-size, repurpose and reorganise into a more agile operation. The creation of a flatter structure is designed to empower employees to create and deliver at speed and with clear purpose.
      To accelerate this efficiency of focus, the company will substantially reduce and rationalise its non-manufacturing infrastructure in the UK. Gaydon will become the symbol of this effort – the ‘reactor’ of the business - with the Executive Team and other management functions moving into the one location to aid frictionless cooperation and agile decision-making.  
      Leapfrog to leadership with Tata Group
      In order to realise its vision of modern luxury mobility with confidence, the company will curate closer collaboration and knowledge-sharing with Tata Group companies to enhance sustainability and reduce emissions as well as sharing best practice in next-generation technology, data and software development leadership. Jaguar Land Rover has been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tata Motors, in which Tata Sons is the largest shareholder, since 2008.
      “We have so many ingredients from within. It is a unique opportunity,” said Mr Bolloré. “Others have to rely solely on external partnerships and compromise, but we have frictionless access that will allow us to lean forward with confidence and at speed.”
      Bringing all these ingredients together, Jaguar Land Rover is on a path towards double-digit EBIT margins and positive cash flow, with an ambition to achieve positive cash net-of-debt by 2025. 
      Ultimately, Jaguar Land Rover aims to be one of the most profitable luxury manufacturers in the world.
      Mr N Chandrasekaran, Chairman of Tata Sons, Tata Motors and Jaguar Land Rover Automotive plc commented: “The Reimagine strategy takes Jaguar Land Rover on a significant path of acceleration in harmony with the vision and sustainability priorities of the wider Tata Group. Together, we will help Jaguar realise its potential, reinforce Land Rover’s timeless appeal and collectively become a symbol of a truly responsible business for its customers, society and the planet.”
      Mr Bolloré concluded: “As a human-centred company, we can, and will, move much faster and with clear purpose of not just reimagining modern luxury but defining it for two distinct brands. Brands that present emotionally unique designs, pieces of art if you like, but all with connected technologies and responsible materials that collectively set new standards in ownership. We are reimagining a new modern luxury by design.”
    • By David
      Lots of interesting stuff happening as GM by divisions starts to release more info on their EV programs.
      First is a interesting video on their Ultium batteries. This clearly shows how versatile they can build the battery packs.
      https://plants.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/bcportal.html/currentVideoId/6157651202001/currentChannelId/Most Recent.gsaOff.html
      Multiple-cell-configurations-within-Ultium-modules.mp4

      They have released a video of a side profile of the new Chevrolet Bolt morphing into the Bolt EUV. I was able to download the video and as such, way more visual detail than on the posted web sites below are showing.
      https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.html
      chevrolet-bolt-euv-teaser-1598391287.mp4
      https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33799068/chevy-2022-bolt-bolt-euv-tease/
      https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/26/2022-chevy-bolt-euv-teaser-video/
      https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/chevrolet-teases-2022-bolt-euv-and-ev-confirms-super-cruise-for-electric-suv/
      https://insideevs.com/news/440899/chevrolet-bolt-euv-production-summer-2021/
       
      Have to say the upcoming update to the Chevrolet Bolt and the EUV is nice looking and should sell even better than the old Bolt. Truly a much more CUV look.
    • By William Maley
      This week, Hagerty obtained a document from General Motors' executive director in charge of program management, Michelle Braun that says development on future car and truck programs has been paused due to the COVID-19 outbreak. But the document also mentions some intriguing information on upcoming powertrains for the C8 Corvette. Here are the details,
      Corvette Z06: 5.5L DOHC V8 known as the LT6 that will produce 650 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque. No mention of any type of forced-induction. Corvette Gran Sport: 6.2L OHC V8 with a hybrid system that's expected to produce 600 horsepower and 500 pound-feet of torque. Corvette ZR1: Twin-Turbo 5.5L DOHC V8, dubbed LT7. Output is expected to be 850 horsepower and 800 pound-feet. Corvette Zora: The powerhouse of the C8, it will take the Twin-Turbo LT7 and augment with a hybrid system. This is expected to produce 1,000 horsepower and 975 pound-feet of torque. Hagerty's report says the rollout of the new engines will begin in 2022 with the LT6, but the COVID-19 outbreak may push the plans back.
      Source: Hagerty

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      This week, Hagerty obtained a document from General Motors' executive director in charge of program management, Michelle Braun that says development on future car and truck programs has been paused due to the COVID-19 outbreak. But the document also mentions some intriguing information on upcoming powertrains for the C8 Corvette. Here are the details,
      Corvette Z06: 5.5L DOHC V8 known as the LT6 that will produce 650 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque. No mention of any type of forced-induction. Corvette Gran Sport: 6.2L OHC V8 with a hybrid system that's expected to produce 600 horsepower and 500 pound-feet of torque. Corvette ZR1: Twin-Turbo 5.5L DOHC V8, dubbed LT7. Output is expected to be 850 horsepower and 800 pound-feet. Corvette Zora: The powerhouse of the C8, it will take the Twin-Turbo LT7 and augment with a hybrid system. This is expected to produce 1,000 horsepower and 975 pound-feet of torque. Hagerty's report says the rollout of the new engines will begin in 2022 with the LT6, but the COVID-19 outbreak may push the plans back.
      Source: Hagerty
  • Posts

    • You can't call yourself "science guy" and then say no point of going to space.  Science has always been about discovery of unknown and pushing the boundaries of known.  If people wouldn't be willing to expand and learn and discover, we still would live in the original caves we came from and hunt with spears.  There are so many innovations that came  out from trying to push the boundaries, exploring.  Exploring space gave a huge amount of things we use daily now.  Take as an example that small helicopter flight that this whole discussion started.  Flying on Mars is an equivalent of flying on Earth at 87000 feet.  Current Earth record for the helicopter flight is about 41000 feet. I think it is in our nature to be curious, to explore and to expand.  Either it is good or bad is up for discussion. 
    • I'm very much a science and technology guy, and I'm pretty sure space launches and the moon missions, etc have all happened.   But being cynical, I've never seen much point in going to space (beyond launching satellites).. seems like a big money pit...billions and billons of $$$ wasted that could be put to better use to improving life on Earth, IMO.    I don't see the value in spreading the scourge of humanity into the solar system, humanity will destroy itself here eventually...better to contain the destruction wrought by humans to Earth.     
    • There are so many effing reasons to believe we actually went.    https://youtu.be/UT23ogeC1nI
    • Been a crazy Tuesday, so playing devils advocate and yes it is an established FACT, I agree with you on. But still stirring the pot to see what rises!  
    • Honda showed off their first of 10 up coming BEVs, the Honda SUV e:prototype which is scheduled to go on sale spring 2022 as the first Honda-brand EV in China. Interesting is that Honda has kept very quiet about their Global plans for EV's or even PHEVs. Honda which has not in the past had much R&D into BEVs signed a contract with GM to use their BEV platform for EVs and one could make the assumption that this is based on the same platform as the Chevrolet Bolt and Bolt EUV auto. Honda has also stated that they will use the Ultium platform of batteries and motors in future auto's also. If this Honda SUV e-prototype is based on the Chevrolet Bolt platform, it is a striking image. Honda also then premiered their Breeze PHEV as their first ever plug-in hybrid model. This auto is based on Honda's original hybrid system that has been sold in Europe as well as the North America market. The Breeze will go on sale in China in the second half of 2021. Honda has stated that their third generation of Honda CONNECT will be available in the Breeze and all new products coming out in China this year and moving forward. All Honda brand auto's will have advanced driver-assistive systems and over-the-air updates, wireless delivery of software updates. Honda Global | April 19 , 2021 "Honda Exhibits the World Premiere of the “Honda SUV e:prototype” at Auto Shanghai 2021" View full article
  • Social Stream

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. 1978montecarlo
      1978montecarlo
      (35 years old)
    2. Buickfosure
      Buickfosure
      (43 years old)
    3. The DUKE2.5
      The DUKE2.5
      (132 years old)
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • My Clubs

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...