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    What is the Future of the Chevrolet SS?


    • GM's Chief Engineer for the Camaro and SS Gives Some Hope for SS Fans

    With the Holden Commodore saying goodbye in 2017, it was assumed that the Chevrolet SS would follow suit. But some recent comments last week are making us rethink that.

     

    During a discussion at the New York Auto Show, Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro and SS hinted that all was not lost for the SS.

     

    “It sells what it’s supposed to. And we haven’t announced an end date to it, so we’re just … we know that there are some decisions made on the Zeta [platform], that are imminent, and right now we’re just focused on the new ’17 model, which is great. It has the LS3 with the manual and the active exhausts, and it’s a great car,” said Oppenheiser.

     

    The lack of end date is very curious as we know the Commodore will be finished in 2017, leaving the SS in a tough spot.

     

    Australian outlet CarAdvice asked if another sedan could serve as a replacement for the SS and Oppenheiser said maybe. But Oppenheiser was quick to point out this might not happen.

     

    “I’m not answering the questions, so I’m not leaving you with any hope.”

     

    But Al, you did leave some hope for those who want the SS to stick around. Whether or not anything happens, we'll be watching closely.

     

    Source: CarAdvice
    Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears

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    SS Halo 4 door Sedan with V8 very well could live on as a special edition auto based on a frame used by Cadillac, Buick, etc. They very well could keep the SS going as long as it helps to reduce costs and breaks even or even makes a profit, a small one at that.

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    Cadillac gets the ATS Coupe/Sedan

    Buick gets the Avista Coupe/Sedan

    Chevrolet gets the Camaro/Impala

    Long live the Alpha platform.

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    Well..crazy idea.

     

    The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? 

    The Zeta platform need not go away...

     

    If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...

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    The wheelbase for the current SS is 114.8 inches.

    The wheelbase for the current CTS is 114.6 inches.

    The CTS-V already runs the LT4.

    The new "SS" can easily run the LT1.

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    Well here is my take I have had for a good while. 

    GM has to update the Alpha. It was done fast well but when it was done things that were not important then are now important like bring lighter and more global with RHD. 

     

    GM will revamp the Alpha when doing the refresh on  the ATS and CTS when they move to the CT branding. 

     

    This will open the door to the Camaro going to a RHD. This in turn will provide an Lengthen Camaro platform to be built with its own sheet metal with a Camaro suspension that will become the Impala and Impala SS. 

     

    GM needed to move the Malibu up in size a bit. They did that with the present Impala Styling. 

    GM was killing the Zeta in 2017. That is still planned. 

     

    The present Impala needs to move on as the platform it is on is going away. 

    Knowing the Zeta was going to die and the Impala was going to change they did bring the SS here in small volumes as they had said they would. They said from the start they would do 2500 or more depending on the call for the car but it was made clear that volumes would be very low. It has been. 

     

    Now they named the SS a SS sport sedan. Odd for GM to call it an SS as they never named a car SS only in the past as it always was attached to the model it was based on. Well it was not an impala or Malibu so what do you call it and do you put an Impala name on it when it really is not an impala? 

     

    My gut is they had planned on a move to make an 4 and 6 cylinder RWD impala once the Bu was redone. Their plan is to put an 8 in a Impala SS and sell it as a sedan that will not look like a Camaro but will drive like one. 

    This would give the Malibu more space. It would help Chevy have a RWD sedan worth the extra money they would have to ask and it would still leverage out the Alpha even more. 

     

    Al 

    How will the SS and Cadillac be different. Well Cadillac will start to get their own engines soon. We also will see much more technology in the Cadillac too. There will be a marked difference between Chevy and Cadillac in all areas unlike so much of the recent past. 

     

    I think the Buick has some surprises coming that may make some forget the Avista. They just trademarked a new name and there has been hints they have a new coupe and or convertible coming. 

     

    Velectra has just been registered so we will have to see what this brings. But what ever they do it will be different than the Chevy and Cadillac and really make up that middle ground. 

     

    I have met Al Oppenheiser and gotten to speak with him on new products. He is a no BS kind of guy and if he says something it is something that is being done. Now it can change later but as of now I would take what he says here to heart. Nothing is certain till it hits the show room but the odds are good we will see the new SS and more with it. 

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    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

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    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

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    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

     

     

    Thanx for the answer Hyper.

    And...because I read your posts often, I knew exactly where the LX cars and Sergio  and the Zeta platform fit in  in 2016 before I made that post.

    You always keep me informed.

     

    But...I did say crazy idea, bad idea or not....it was meant all in good fun.

    With a touch of fantasy...my fantasy...

    Why?

     

     

    The Oshawa plant I think is being closed down....thousands of Canadian jobs are gonna be lost....

    I did not mention this, nor did I elude to it...because its a fait accompli...

     

    Now...my biggest pet peeve, is this down voting without rebuttal, because there is no discussion being made....so...

    We both are having this discussion and you are finding out why I made this bad idea, yet you are NOT the one to down vote me...

     

    I would have NOT lost my marbles had this person just typed what you did....but at least I would know why and he would know why...

     

    Technically, its still a mystery to me...

     

    (So...my post being more of a fantasy thing rather than a serious thing...does it still deserve a down vote? I mean, it wasnt a trolly remark, nor a hate remark...bad idea or not...it was not meant to be taken seriously...hence the warning in the very beginning...crazy idea)

     

    I at least got your point of view....which we chearsandgear folk all know where you stand on the LX cars as you keep on STRESSING the problems with the LX cars...and now Ill agree with your take on the modest profits opinion as well....

    And now you folk understand why this "bad idea fantasy" post was made....

    Yet...the down voter is still at large and we are all in the dark as to why he/she would do such a thing with out a decent rebuttal.

     

    You see, I cant judge to rebuttal so I could repay the favour back ....

     

    I up voted you Hyper, for having the decency and the cohones to actually have a discussion...and...its not as if we havent had any love/hate discussions in the past...

    You took a chance on this response not knowing my reaction back to you...

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    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

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    Well..crazy idea.

     

    The Oshawa plant that used to build the Zeta Camaro...could now be used to build the Chevrolet SS? 

    The Zeta platform need not go away...

     

    If FCA is willing to sell a decade old LX platform...and still sell tons of them and make modest profits with it...GM could use a decade old platform too and sell some of them, and make a small profit as well...

     

    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

    People vote down because they are children. Just do away with it altogether and get rid of the last of those children.

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

     

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind. 

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing. 

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about. 

     

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind. 

     

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic. 

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    To the poster who gave me a thumbs down on my post...

     

    Which idea did you disagree with?

     

    1. The fact that I set the tone from the get go that it was a crazy idea?
    2. The fact that I mention that the Camaro was built in Oshawa? (because it was)
    3. The crazy notion that I questioned that a Zeta Chevy SS could be built in a Zeta Camaro Oshawa plant?
    4. The crazy notion that the Zeta platform need not go away?
    5. The fact that the Mopar LX platform is indeed a decade plus a year or two...because the Mopar LX platform is not exactly a direct M-B platform which is older that a decade actually?
    6. The fact that FCA is indeed still selling boatloads of the RWD LX cars?
    7. The fact that FCA is indeed making healthy profits from the sales of the LX cars?
    8. That it may not be a bad thing for GM to do the same thing, since the Zeta platform is still a very capable platform?   Sure we all know GM told us the Zeta platform is going away, hence why I started the bloody post with...CRAZY IDEA...
    9. All of the above?

     

     

    At least tell me why you down voted....

     News Flash though...5 out of the 8 points I said in that post are real truths...

    The other 3 are just fun CRAZY ideas...

     

    OK....maybe you did not appreciate them...Id like to know why?

     

    Maybe you could be less timid and you could express your thoughts as I have...

    Unlike you, I probably wont down vote you, no matter how crazy your fun, off the wall remarks may be....

    Unless of course you are such a tight ass that light hearted conversations like I do are not your style...because in that case...Ill probably will down vote you as I hate stick-up-the-ass people...

     

    I did not mark you down but I have a good idea why they did. It was a really bad idea. 

    The Zeta is old heavy and done. No need to bring it back as we have much better and efficient platforms that available right now. 

    Chrysler is making the old LX as Sergio is screwing them and not investing as he should have been. They are to the point now that when they do a comparison with the Camaro and Mustang the magazines pass over their product. To get attention they had to resort to the Hellcat that has a big number but no way to use all the power other than to move mass. 

    Modest profits. Well modest is how you go chapter 11 as they should be doing better than modest. I feel for the staff at Chrysler as they are being starved out when cars like the Alpha are getting the money they should be getting from the Jeep profits. 

     

    The Zeta has had a long and good service for GM and it is time to move on. 

     

    Note my inlaws bought a 300 at the price of a Malibu. Not much meat on those old bones at the price. It is really sad as you should be selling them for closer to $50K vs 30K. That is a real troubling sign. 

     

     

     

    Thanx for the answer Hyper.

    And...because I read your posts often, I knew exactly where the LX cars and Sergio  and the Zeta platform fit in  in 2016 before I made that post.

    You always keep me informed.

     

    But...I did say crazy idea, bad idea or not....it was meant all in good fun.

    With a touch of fantasy...my fantasy...

    Why?

     

     

    The Oshawa plant I think is being closed down....thousands of Canadian jobs are gonna be lost....

    I did not mention this, nor did I elude to it...because its a fait accompli...

     

    Now...my biggest pet peeve, is this down voting without rebuttal, because there is no discussion being made....so...

    We both are having this discussion and you are finding out why I made this bad idea, yet you are NOT the one to down vote me...

     

    I would have NOT lost my marbles had this person just typed what you did....but at least I would know why and he would know why...

     

    Technically, its still a mystery to me...

     

    (So...my post being more of a fantasy thing rather than a serious thing...does it still deserve a down vote? I mean, it wasnt a trolly remark, nor a hate remark...bad idea or not...it was not meant to be taken seriously...hence the warning in the very beginning...crazy idea)

     

    I at least got your point of view....which we chearsandgear folk all know where you stand on the LX cars as you keep on STRESSING the problems with the LX cars...and now Ill agree with your take on the modest profits opinion as well....

    And now you folk understand why this "bad idea fantasy" post was made....

    Yet...the down voter is still at large and we are all in the dark as to why he/she would do such a thing with out a decent rebuttal.

     

    You see, I cant judge to rebuttal so I could repay the favour back ....

     

    I up voted you Hyper, for having the decency and the cohones to actually have a discussion...and...its not as if we havent had any love/hate discussions in the past...

    You took a chance on this response not knowing my reaction back to you...

     

     

     

    You can say crazy but too many people take things seriously on the web and stuff like this just opens so many even more craxy thing. Lets face it there are still some that can not accept or understand Pontiac is dead and not coming back anytime soon. 

    There is a future at Oshawa but it is in the hands of the CAW. If they want to make competitive bids to build cars there vs the other plants they will win the work. The plants getting work now are ones who make competitive contracts and they are rewarded. GM has more plants than needed and some UAW unions get it finally and are learning that to make their future they have to work with GM not dictate what they have to have. 

     

    It takes no cohones to to reply just an honest opinion and answers. I am not young enough to care about votes or followers. Things like votes can only hurt you if you really care. I don't. The fact is be honest with your thought and measured with what you think. Sometimes you are right sometimes you are wrong but believe in what you believe. 

     

    This stuff about voting up down or logging followers on Face book are all useless games. They only hold meaning if you allocate meaning to them. 

     

    The down voter only hold power if you grant it. Suck it up and just don't give a damn and you will be fine. You get to a point in life you learn all that popularity and focus we craved we were young was just wasted time. 

    Chrysler is in bad shape right now and just in the last few months Sergio has had to change gears. His plans to build Alfa and Maserati have failed miserably. FCA needs a lot of volume and Chrysler Dodge is the prime unit to do it just as Jeep has shown. The real question now is who will they partner with and is there still enough time to get Chrysler into the game as they are about 5 years behind where they should be now. 

    Chrysler is stuck with old LX cars that are not bringing in money as they once did and the 200 and Dart failed miserably. While better than what they had they still lagged behind the market with the poor Fiat corp underpinnings. 

     

    Now we need to hope they let Chrysler do their own cars or do them with a good partner like Mazda. Then let them do their own RWD and stop thinking Alfa. They also need to find a way to keep the V8 even in low numbers as word has been they were going to kill the V8. I am ok with a turbo v6 but they still need to keep an 8 for some models. 

     

    Finally they need the money to deal with the quality issues they have had. New product and better investing into these models will fix this but will they learn?

     

    While I am not a Chrysler fan I hope they can pull this out as it pained me to see the loss of Plymouth and the down grade of Chrysler from what it was and could be. 

     

    I pray Mazda comes in and fixes their smaller cars. I really thing if Mazda cam in and ran the show it would fix a lot of things for both brands as Mazda need volume to make the profits they need. Sales for them are good but not enough to pay development cost that are just so high anymore. 

     

    But in the end back to Zeta. It is time to put it to rest. It has done it's job and then some and really can not be improved much more than they already have. You have two world class platforms now that are more flexible than the Zeta could have ever been now is the time to make use of them in as many ways possible. 

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    It takes no cohones to to reply just an honest opinion and answers. I am not young enough to care about votes or followers. Things like votes can only hurt you if you really care. I don't. The fact is be honest with your thought and measured with what you think. Sometimes you are right sometimes you are wrong but believe in what you believe.

     

    Yeah...I like this way of thinking.

     

    This stuff about voting up down or logging followers on Face book are all useless games. They only hold meaning if you allocate meaning to them.

     

     

    I must admit, I have to learn this lesson.

     

    Its not the down vote that bothers me, its the lack of discussion that goes with it...but yeah, I must learn to not give a shyte...and just continue to have fun, reciprocate the fun, and learn...like the rest of your post...

     

    The down voter only hold power if you grant it. Suck it up and just don't give a damn and you will be fine. You get to a point in life you learn all that popularity and focus we craved we were young was just wasted time.

     

     

    Yup...Im 43...like I said, it aint about the popularity thing of it...but like you said...I SHOULD learn to SUCK IT UP!!!!

    Ill get there eventually.

     

    The rest of your post is spot on......

     

    And yeah, about Oshawa...Ill quote it down below since THIS is how unions should be doing business in 2016 with their partnered corporations:

    There is a future at Oshawa but it is in the hands of the CAW. If they want to make competitive bids to build cars there vs the other plants they will win the work. The plants getting work now are ones who make competitive contracts and they are rewarded. GM has more plants than needed and some UAW unions get it finally and are learning that to make their future they have to work with GM not dictate what they have to have.

     

     

     

     

     

    Thanx again Hyper....

    Until we cross heads again...

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing.

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about.

    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol 

     

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind.

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic.

    Hey man, I sent you a pm. I really didn't clarify what I meant by that. Sorry about that.

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    I'll openly admit I down vote people who say super douchy $h! and there's just no debating with some people so they get a little click of "you're a douche" and I go on with my day. For the most part that's how I use it. I don't "down vote" I say "you're being a douche". When I disagree with somebody I usually just type something up on why I think one thing or another and they do the same, agreeing or disagreeing.

    Not referring to you. There are some who don't even post here anymore that just pop in to see what they can down vote and then they are gone. No comments, no posts, no contributions to this site whatsoever other than to troll posts of people they don't like. They use that one down vote for the day and POOF, they are gone again. That is what I am talking about.
    Seriously..? See that would grab one of my "you're a douche" votes. lol

    I don't understand how you could have that much anger/hatred towards somebody via the internet ALONE. Never met, Never heard each other's voices, don't even know what they look like, yet there is that much hatred. Blows my mind.

    Good lord man. Stop overdramatizing what I am talking about. It's a simple observation of what the trolls around here were doing. You and I both know that is what has been going on in some of these cases. I am not being a douche at all and if you think that is "you're being a douche" vote then the problem is with you and your perceptions. In this case, your perception about me is wrong here. Again, there is no anger, no hatred. It is an observation that can actually be backed up with facts (this has been discussed before). I'm just tired of the children. If you confusing that with hatred or anger, then I don't know what else to tell you. Don't vote all you want if you continue to feel something about me that isn't there. That's all I'm going to say about it because it's taking away from the topic.
    Hey man, I sent you a pm. I really didn't clarify what I meant by that. Sorry about that.

    It's all good in the hood.

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    Very interesting debate and while I have to agree with Hyper on his thinking, I do also wonder why someone would down vote without explanation or defending their down vote.

     

    I personally wish the down and up vote would require you to have to post why you are voting that way. This way you cannot just play troll but have to take part in the discussion and debate / defend your position so others can better understand.

     

    It is the democratic way of being transparent and saying I agree or disagree with you and this is why.

     

     

    Just quoting MR. DFELT...because he said it eloquently.

     

    YA'LL can downvote away...like Hyper said...I should let it slide my back...and I will...

     

    Yet...its YOU folk that down vote that are bothered and care the most for the reputation....

     

    Because....ALL my statements are NOT trolly, nor full of hate...

     

    TRUTH hits you folk...but hide between a computer screen and a voting system...

     

    STATE the reasons why!!!!

     

    I have....And I CONTINUE to VOICE my displeasure....

    WHAT? You gonna down vote this too???

     

    Go ahead....downvote...it just sees like cowardice to me though....

     

    VOICE your displeasure.....COME ON!!!!  I DARE YOU!!!!

     

    NAH....its easy to behave like children....wah wah wah...I dont like what he said....Ill down vote him...wah wah wah...

     

    PATHETIC!!!!

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    no point to a future RWD Impala either.  It does quite well as a fwd appliance.  And right now, there is plenty of size diff between it and the new Malibu.  Even if the bu cuts into the Impala sales, the Imp will still sell in nice numbers.  Even if the SS was offered for less money and with a v6, it would not sell near what the badge sells now still.  

     

    With electrics honing in and the advent of self driving cars etc, there is not a need for Chevy to try to make a RWD large sedan.    I might even argue its more Buick's territory now, except that Chevy has wider distribution.

     

    No need for an Avista either.  Coupes apart from Camaro anymore are a hard sell.

     

    Cutting the impala from a 80-100k a year seller down to a 30k a year seller would not return those units back to Malibu sales.  Just like the last style Impala, I see GM leaving this one on the market in some form for 5-7 years min.

     

    The ONLY wildcard here is GM producing a large RWD chevy because global demand like in AU might make a case for it.  But that is even stretching it.  They would HAVE to add AWD to the option sheet.

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    no point to a future RWD Impala either.  It does quite well as a fwd appliance.  And right now, there is plenty of size diff between it and the new Malibu.  Even if the bu cuts into the Impala sales, the Imp will still sell in nice numbers.  Even if the SS was offered for less money and with a v6, it would not sell near what the badge sells now still.  

     

    With electrics honing in and the advent of self driving cars etc, there is not a need for Chevy to try to make a RWD large sedan.    I might even argue its more Buick's territory now, except that Chevy has wider distribution.

     

    No need for an Avista either.  Coupes apart from Camaro anymore are a hard sell.

     

    Cutting the impala from a 80-100k a year seller down to a 30k a year seller would not return those units back to Malibu sales.  Just like the last style Impala, I see GM leaving this one on the market in some form for 5-7 years min.

     

    The ONLY wildcard here is GM producing a large RWD chevy because global demand like in AU might make a case for it.  But that is even stretching it.  They would HAVE to add AWD to the option sheet.

     

     

    Your last statement is why it most likely will be considered or done. 

     

    Here is the deal as the larger sedans sales are not big now like 300K of the past. The key will be to make it more profitable and increase volumes globally several ways. 

     

    As it is now I expect the Bu to take many Impala sales since it is larger and cheaper looking similar to what the Imp is now. 

     

    CUV and SUV sales will help limit growth in America. 

     

    Holden needs a new larger sedan. Vauxhall needs a new sedan. Opel could use a larger sedan. South Africa needs a Holden replacement. The Middle East needs a RWD replacement for the Chevy. Even places in South America can use a RWD car. Korea could use a partner to the Camaro. China? As it is now the Impala would be lost in the crowd and nor coveted much as it has so little to offer in the well saturated FWD segments globally. 

     

    Add in Service fleet sales as taxi and police use could be a real volume king here as there is no replacement for the Holden now. GM still needs a SUV like Ford sells for police work that is efficient and affordable. The Tahoe price scares off many. 

    AWD would be easy to add but pricing in America would be critical. You can not put the best system on and over price the car either. 

     

    The leveraging out of the Alpha would increase profits and make it even more global. The key to the future with using smaller volumes in many markets to make your  profits. 

     

    As for Avista there is a place for it but to do a coupe you have to use care. It much be very different from the Camaro for one. It also must wait till it too can be a Holden and Opel. Finally Cadillac has to continue their move up to make space for this car.  Buick would be better suited to making it into a Coupe styled sedan as this is one of the fastest growing car segments out there in a stagnate car segment. 

     

    There is a place yet for larger sedans as self driving cars are not going to take over soon. At times I still think it is over played much yet. Once some appear they will find the weakness in the system will still be the humans. I could see games being played by drivers and road rage making the self driving cars do things you really don't want done. Let alone failed sensors and other issues. Even air planes may have auto pilots but there is still a human there to take control at any second. Same for space ships. The Shuttles were auto land till they found out that they forgot about a tail wind and almost belly landed the craft because the gear was set to come down at a specific air speed. From then on the pilots went back to doing it as NASA found it was the only safe way. 

     

    Also right now the Lacrosse is planted right where the Impala would be. Do we really need two of them? Is there any place in the world that would want the Lacrosse other than China? I see little globalness to that one. 

     

    Holden will already get their own version of the Regal that is based on the Malibu platform. There will be no need for another FWD there. 

     

    You have to find a way to make a Chevy that is worth 33K-49K and different and the only real way is to make it RWD/AWD. 

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    The SS is dead next year in my opinion.  The Caprice and SS were ways to extract some money out of the Zeta platform after Pontiac died a sudden death.   They only sell a couple hundred SS sedans each month for a company that sells 200,000 cars we are talking .1% of sales.  They can't be bothered to have such a slow seller.  It is like Mini with the Roadster that sells 39 cars a month, that is bigger % of Mini sales than the SS is of Chevy sales.

     

    CAFE will also kill the V8 Chevy sedan idea, they are putting turbo 4s in full size Cadillacs, in the 2020s I think you'll see a turbo 4 in a full size pick up.  And GM has an answer for people that want RWD and high perofmance sedan, you buy a Cadillac.  This is why the Nissan Altima or Maxima isn't rear drive with a 400 hp V8, they make you buy an Infiniti.

     

    As far as police car use, the Impala could serve as a police car easily.  The W-boby Impala was a police car, so FWD is fine, and prefered in some snow belt states.  Also a 300 hp V6  Impala is 60 hp more than a Crown Vic ever had, and the Impala weighs less than that beast.

     

    So all those factors would lead me to believe, no RWD Chevy sedan.

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    The SS is dead next year in my opinion.  The Caprice and SS were ways to extract some money out of the Zeta platform after Pontiac died a sudden death.   They only sell a couple hundred SS sedans each month for a company that sells 200,000 cars we are talking .1% of sales.  They can't be bothered to have such a slow seller.  It is like Mini with the Roadster that sells 39 cars a month, that is bigger % of Mini sales than the SS is of Chevy sales.

     

    CAFE will also kill the V8 Chevy sedan idea, they are putting turbo 4s in full size Cadillacs, in the 2020s I think you'll see a turbo 4 in a full size pick up.  And GM has an answer for people that want RWD and high perofmance sedan, you buy a Cadillac.  This is why the Nissan Altima or Maxima isn't rear drive with a 400 hp V8, they make you buy an Infiniti.

     

    As far as police car use, the Impala could serve as a police car easily.  The W-boby Impala was a police car, so FWD is fine, and prefered in some snow belt states.  Also a 300 hp V6  Impala is 60 hp more than a Crown Vic ever had, and the Impala weighs less than that beast.

     

    So all those factors would lead me to believe, no RWD Chevy sedan.

    Hence you are missing the big picture.

    There is a market globally for a RWD sedan that is not a Cadillac. Now each market the numbers are lower than in past history. But with all the collective global markets there is a good profit to be made. The V8 would only be in the SS and would be a small number compared tot he V6 and Turbo 4 models offered in a regular non SS model

    Given a choice the police prefer the RWD cars. The Fords only sell because generally they are the lowest bidder.

    Most departments are moving to Explorers with AWD some with TT V6 that are no more efficient than the V8 cars.

    To really get this project is to understand the global market and where all the Zeta has been sold and where sales could be improved. While Larger RWD is not the top dog segment in volume there is still money to be collected with the volume of a global market.

    It is a deal where you work smarter not harder.

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    They could make an AWD Impala police car, that is easy.   They could put a diesel in it that would have higher durability and lower operating cost if they wanted. 

     

    As far as global rear wheel drive, that is what Cadillac is for.  They aren't selling an Opel rear drive sedan, nor a rear drive Buick sedan in China.  So we are talking about a small number of cars in Australia.  I am pro-rear wheel drive, but making a rear drive V8 Chevy performance sedan makes no sense. 

     

    I have actually said before I think the Buick Regal should be rear drive to be different, with a 200 hp 4-cylinder and 270 hp turbo 4 option.  There is no mid-size rwd car that is like $30k.

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