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    Chrysler Surprises Dealers With Next-Gen Charger, Barracuda, Grand Cherokee Trailhawk


    • Fiat Chrysler Dealers Are Given A Sneak Peek Into The Future of the Company

    Fiat Chrysler Automobile held their annual dealers meeting in Las Vegas and had some surprises in store for the dealers who attended.

     

    Automotive News learned from several dealers that FCA would possibly be bringing out up to 30 new or refreshed products within the next two years. Some of the products include the next-generation Dodge Charger which will look more like the 1999 concept designed by Tom Gale, and a Dodge Barracuda convertible. Both models will be underpinned by the Alfa Romeo Giulia's platform.

     

    Other models that were shown to dealers include,

    • An Alfa Romeo SUV which is expected to be underpinned by the Giulia's platform
    • The standard and Abarth versions of the Fiat 124 Spyder
    • Next-generation Jeep Wrangler which was described by one dealer as staying "pretty true to its current form'
    • Jeep Grand Wagoneer SUV with seating for eight people
    • Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT Trackhawk


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    Well lets see if they get to them in two years. Many of these products have already been pushed back before. With Sergio's goals for units at Alfa and other brands that are at some crazy numbers it could change these plans too. 68K units to 400K units at Alfa by 2018? Not likely.

    I am not sure Jeep and Ram can help fund all the changes he has already planned and these unless he changes his numbers again.

     

    The real issue may be the engines. If the stories on the Jeep web site are correct the Hemi is gone by 2019. That matches the end of the LX too the last I saw. They plan to replace it with a Turbo V6 and Turbo 4 cylinder models. While I have no doubt about there not being a lack of power this will still sting the V8 customer hard. To go from a Hellcat to a V6 that sounds like the Alfa motor that has a school bus sound to it?

     

    I have concerns here.

     

    Not sure even how an plug in Mini Van will do. Minivans are really over anymore and the CUV is where the sales are all going.

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    I love that 1999 Charger concept, but that I hope the Giulia platform to house a 1999  Charger concept look-a-like better be a stretched version, because the Giulia looks to be too short for that 1999 Charger...especially if FCA wants to get the right proportions to really make it resemble the 1999 concept. That 1999 concept is a long car....

     

    And Im stoked for the return of a Barracuda. It says convertible...so Im guessing a Dodge Barracuda would be the convertible version of the next generation Challenger?

    Im OK with that...

     

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    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/26/barracuda-grand-cherokee-trackhawk-promised/

     

    The link above states that the Barracuda will be offered in coupe and convertible form and will be smaller than the Challenger....

     

    Im still OK with that.

     

    Im stoked with the new Charger...hopefully it will be as long or longer than the current generation and less bulky...more slender...like the concept...with the same proportions...that 1999 Charger concept is pure Americana...I miss those days when all American cars cars looked more or less like that....sleek and slender long cars with long hoods and short decks....and sometimes long hoods and somewhat short decks...but still technically longish decks...if you know what I mean...

     

     

    About the V8 part...I wish it would be a part of the Mopar mainstream performance card...but the way the automotive industry is going....I wont hold my breath....and if I continue living in Montreal (gas prices are high in Quebec)....I doubt Ill be a customer of a V8 car anytime soon either...

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    They already are...the next hemi 5.7 will be released with the trucks and the new SRT V8 will be with the new Charger/Challenger/Durango. Helps when you are part of the dealergroup getting this information. 

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    The V8 is NOT going away. Sigh...some people will believe anything you tell them.

     

    Even if it's only going away in the cars, it's still sad news.

     

    This new Charger being built on the Guilia platform, is it going to support a V8? I find it kind of difficult to believe, though it's not possible.

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    As soon as the Giulia hit the ground I said that Mopar would need to ride the crap outta the thing to make it work. Thankfully, they are. GM showed the way with Alpha, and the approach is ready-made for an outfit with a performance rep like Mopar. Good news.

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    The V8 is NOT going away. Sigh...some people will believe anything you tell them.

     

    Even if it's only going away in the cars, it's still sad news.

     

    This new Charger being built on the Guilia platform, is it going to support a V8? I find it kind of difficult to believe, though it's not possible.

     

     

    I see the V8 becoming less an option on the regular models. For SRT no...Ralph has made it clear to us SRT owners and Dealer Networks this is NOT the plan. However...caveat being all plans can change of course.

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    HA!  Of course hyperV6 STILL finds issue since he clearly simply hates the brand and WANTS it to fail.  This is all good news, as already predicted so no surprise.  And a refreshed Hemi is already in the works, though I agree it may become less of an option in lower models. 

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    Also, the Alfa's platform should be flexible like GM's Alpha, allowing different wheelbases and engine and transmission configurations.

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    The "C" part of FCA is actually doing pretty well. It's the "F" part that is pretty well Effed. Their hail-Mary will be this new RWD platform.

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    The "C" part of FCA is actually doing pretty well. It's the "F" part that is pretty well Effed. Their hail-Mary will be this new RWD platform.

    Fiat/Alfa will not succeed without it, that's for sure. They also need a hot hatch replacement, stat.

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    Chrysler does have a lot of good names.  Not always great products, but they come up with great names.  Intrepid, Stealth, Barricuda, Charger, Challenger, Imperial, Avenger, Prowler, Viper, etc.  They all sound big, scary or dangerous. 

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    "Chrysler surprises dealers by remaining in business"

     

    Why would they not be?  Sales have increased every month for what, the last 5 years?  They also beat Ford in retail sales in june, so again, a haeful comment just to be a hateful comment.

    Chrysler does have a lot of good names.  Not always great products, but they come up with great names.  Intrepid, Stealth, Barricuda, Charger, Challenger, Imperial, Avenger, Prowler, Viper, etc.  They all sound big, scary or dangerous. 

    Right now they have a lot of great product and have in the past as well.  Everyone has duds, even Mercedes.......

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    Stew you had better get a grip and understand I do not hate Chrysler but I do hate Sergio and all that he Is doing as he is a bastard and cares less about the Chrysler cars.

     

    The money he is taking from Jeep should be going to Chrysler not Alfa as this is where his volume is that he needs to survive. Instead he remains to pump it into the odd Alfa that will never meet his goals of 400,000 units by 2018.

     

    Now be honest do you really think Alfa can move from 68,000 cars last year to 400,00o by 2018? If you can honestly think that you would have to be a fool.

    FCA is riding with a major debt and Sergio needs money. He already is robbing Chrysler and now has made claims wants GM. It is all about money to save his F part of the corporation and he is getting desperate now because his plan has fallen flat as the rest of the investment and banking people are not willing to follow along with him.

     

    Right now I fear that while the plans for Chrysler sound promising they are the last roll of the dice. If they do not execute these plans an build class leading cars the will not have the income to continue on beyond them. Just building better cars than you have Is not enough as they need to build better than anyone else right now to make real gains in not just volume but profits.

    Ford and GM can get buy with a little less right now but Chrysler has some real issues. I think their only hope is to lose Sergio and get someone in that is really from the automotive segment.

     

    I am far from the only one with these views. Here is the latest in a long line of stories on Sergio and the challenges of FCA in the future.

    http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2015/8/31/the-full-sergio-a-truly-ugly-sight-to-behold.html

    Stew you can continue to represent my feelings but you can not change the things and issues that lie ahead. I am in no way looking forward to saying I told you so in the future if this ends up going the way it appears to be going at this time. I pray Sergio is let go in 2018 and not extended to 2020 as he wants. As Peter has pointed out he is nothing but a bag man and he will kill Chrysler in the end to save the Euro brands. He has no love other than their money for them. You had better wake up to this before it is too late.. Only cries from the base market Chrysler lovers may changes this if it is not already too late.

    As Pete has pointed out FCA is one economic down turn from another crisis. With the way Wall St is going that could easily happen again and they will still be years from the new product. The problem this time is there may not be a third bail out as how much money is a politician going to be willing to toss in to this bottomless pit under the present management?

    I hope and pray that a suitable leader arrives in time for Chrysler. God knows we have already lost too many brands today as it is. While Chrysler is not my first choice I in no way want to see their demise. You need to get that through your thick diluted skull. I am on your side with reality playing a part of this. I know you hate to hear the truth but that is all that will save a brand like this from Sergio and he thieving ways.

    Even the folks I know inside are not Sergio fans up in Auburn hills. He talks big but they are not feeling the needed love like they would like unless you are Jeep. Even then the money is not coming back to them at a time they would like to have it. The can just keeps getting kicked down the road on most other products.

    Now stand there and tell us do you really thing Sergio is smart for pumping all of Jeeps profits into Alfa and not Chrysler first? Who has a better shot at increasing volume and profits to the levels he needs faster than Chrysler? He needs to increase Alfa to numbers they can never attain and he needs to find 2.5 Million more FCA units and that is not easy under the most perfect conditions by 2018

    Now can you honestly say that he will attain the goal of 400K Alfa cars and 2.5 million more FCA units by 2018? Now put down the bias Kool-Aid and say it with a straight face?

    This is more than just about selling cars. Everyone can sell cars but it is about making money and the big picture of volume and profits. You can sell a lot of cars but with no profits and models that are just termed better but not even in the same sentence with the top 4 in the segment are not the path to success. This is Why GM went and fixed the Malibu as fast as they did and will work hard to make it the best or one of the best in the segment. The last car was not bad but it fell short of the top cars and that is no way to make money these days. Just be good is no longer good enough. Chrysler is may have some of the best cars they have had in years but that is no longer good enough.

    If Lee was here he would have kicked Sergio's ass back to Italy.

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    That is my point. Stew has this thing I hate Chrysler but the truth is I am just blunt about the issues they face and most of them lead back to Sergio.

     

    He is not an automotive guy and he is not really much of a business man. As in the story he is more of a bag man for Fiat.

     

    The fact is while Stew believes I have no love for Chrysler I am damn in love with them compared to Sergio.

     

    If I were in his place the money would be going to Chrysler not Alfa. Chrysler would provide the volume and profits where to expect Alfa to create 400,000 in sales by 2018 are unlikely. 

    If I am wrong here I would love to hear where I am going wrong by wanting to invest in Chrysler over Alfa and where am I missing the 328,000 sales Alfa is going to generate in 2 years. Anyone can you show us here these customer are lined up waiting for high priced Alfa cars vs. a better updated line of Chrysler cars.

    Am I really wrong for wanting the Jeep money to go to Chrysler?
     

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    That is my point. Stew has this thing I hate Chrysler but the truth is I am just blunt about the issues they face and most of them lead back to Sergio.

     

    He is not an automotive guy and he is not really much of a business man. As in the story he is more of a bag man for Fiat.

     

    The fact is while Stew believes I have no love for Chrysler I am damn in love with them compared to Sergio.

     

    If I were in his place the money would be going to Chrysler not Alfa. Chrysler would provide the volume and profits where to expect Alfa to create 400,000 in sales by 2018 are unlikely. 

    If I am wrong here I would love to hear where I am going wrong by wanting to invest in Chrysler over Alfa and where am I missing the 328,000 sales Alfa is going to generate in 2 years. Anyone can you show us here these customer are lined up waiting for high priced Alfa cars vs. a better updated line of Chrysler cars.

    Am I really wrong for wanting the Jeep money to go to Chrysler?

     

    You and everyone else like me know that Sergio is an Idiot and he is killing Jeep, Chrysler, Dodge and Ram all for trying to bring back a dead brand. Money should be used to pump up the 4 American name plates and not Alfa.

     

    RIP Alfa, leave it in the history books.

     

    More than anything this is his way of socialism in trying to make jobs for lazy people in Europe at the expense of america.

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    What's all the nonsense about Sergio threatening a hostile takeover of GM? I can't see how that would work. GM is a bigger company whose shareholders should be well aware that they would stand to gain nothing from an FCA merger. It would essentially be reforming old GM, complete with dying brands.

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    I think the merger with GM idea is insane, BUT I see a reason or Alfa.  See that new Charger and Cuda?  They wouldn't have been able to make these without an expensive Alfa to put that platform under.  it makes sense.

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      FCA US retail sales of 126,780 units were down 2 percent year over year in November, representing 79 percent of total sales for the month. Fleet sales of 34,047 units were down 42 percent year over year in November as FCA US continues to reduce its sales to the daily rental segment. Fleet sales represented 21 percent of total FCA US sales in the month.
       
      Ram Truck brand sales were up 12 percent in November versus the same month in 2015. Ram ProMaster van sales increased 126 percent in November, while Ram pickup truck sales increased 8 percent. The Jeep® Renegade small SUV had a strong November with a 30 percent sales gain, while sales of the Fiat 500 were up 18 percent compared with the same month a year ago.
       
      Sales of the all-new 2017 Chrysler Pacifica – launched earlier this year – were up 13 percent in November compared with sales in the previous month of October. November sales represented the minivan’s second best sales month this year.
       
      Ram Truck brand sales are up 11 percent calendar year to date through November compared with the same 11-month period in 2015. Jeep brand sales are up 8 percent calendar year to date as well.
       
      Ram Truck Brand
      Ram Truck brand sales, which include the Ram pickup, Ram ProMaster and Ram ProMaster City, increased 12 percent in November versus the same month in 2015. With its 126 percent sales gain, the Ram ProMaster van turned in the largest year-over-year percentage increase of any FCA US vehicle in November. Sales of the Ram pickup truck increased 8 percent in November. The Ram 1500 earned Best Buy awards last month from Consumers Digest and Consumer Guide Automotive. Also last month, the Green Car Journal named the Ram ProMaster City its 2017 Commercial Green Car of the Year for the second consecutive year – the first time a vehicle has won one of the magazine’s titles consecutively. Ram Truck brand sales are up 11 percent calendar year to date compared with the same 11 months in 2015.
      Jeep Brand
      Jeep brand sales were down 12 percent compared with the same month a year ago. The Jeep Renegade turned in a strong 30 percent increase in November compared with the same month in 2015. The Renegade earned Best Buy awards last month from Consumers Digest and Consumer Guide Automotive in the subcompact SUV segment. In addition, the Jeep Grand Cherokee earned a Consumers Digest Best Buy for the seventh consecutive year in the mid-size SUV category. Jeep brand sales are up 8 percent calendar year to date compared with the first 11 months of 2015.
       
      The all-new 2017 Jeep Compass made its U.S. debut last month at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The global compact SUV delivers unsurpassed 4x4 capability, world-class on-road driving dynamics, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains and premium styling. The Compass will be manufactured in Brazil, China, Mexico and India, for consumers in more than 100 countries around the world.
       
      FIAT Brand
      FIAT brand sales, which include the Fiat 500, Fiat 500L, Fiat 500X and Fiat 124 Spider, were down 15 percent in November. However, sales of the Fiat 500 were up 18 percent year-over-year in November. In its fifth month in the market, the all-new 124 Spider recorded sales of 350 units. The 124 Spider earned a 2017 Best Buy last month in the sporty performance car segment from the automotive editors at Consumer Guide Automotive, who noted that the 124 Spider “represents an impressive amount of fun for the money.” The 124 Spider also took home the award for Best-Looking New Car from readers of The Car Connection in November.
      Dodge Brand
      Dodge brand sales were down 21 percent in November compared with the same month in 2015. However, Dodge Charger sales increased 34 percent compared with the same month a year ago. Dodge Viper sales were up as well. The Dodge Durango earned a Best Buy last month from Consumer Guide Automotive in the large SUV category – for the fifth consecutive year. In addition, for the third time in three years, the Charger has earned the Residual Value Award in the full-size category from ALG, the industry benchmark for residual values and depreciation data. Also, the Charger and Durango were “most loved” in their respective segments for the third consecutive year making Strategic Vision’s “Most Loved Vehicles in America” list, while the Dodge Challenger earned a spot on the list in the specialty coupe category.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      Chrysler brand sales were down 47 percent in November compared with the same month a year ago. However, the all-new Chrysler Pacifica posted sales of 8,753 units in November, a 13 percent sales gain versus the previous month of October. The 2017 Pacifica minivan – launched in April – earned Best Buy awards from Consumer Guide Automotive, Consumers Digest and Kelley Blue Book last month. In the Consumer Guide Automotive competition, the Pacifica captured both the Minivan and Family Vehicle Best Buy awards. In addition, the Pacifica earned “Best Car to Buy” and “Best Family Vehicle to Buy” designations from The Car Connection. The Chrysler 300 full-size sedan grabbed an award last month as well, earning its fifth Best Buy award in the luxury car segment from Consumers Digest.
      FCA US LLC Sales Summary November 2016
      Reflects New Methodology
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      6,984
      9,209
      -24%
      86,107
      64,188
      34%
      Patriot
      8,568
      9,933
      -14%
      114,117
      108,968
      5%
      Wrangler
      12,957
      13,948
      -7%
      176,053
      186,835
      -6%
      Cherokee
      11,479
      18,218
      -37%
      183,356
      196,092
      -6%
      Grand Cherokee
      17,230
      17,662
      -2%
      189,023
      175,746
      8%
      Renegade
      10,067
      7,719
      30%
      94,561
      52,211
      81%
      JEEP BRAND
      67,285
      76,689
      -12%
      843,217
      784,040
      8%
      200
      2,849
      10,103
      -72%
      54,651
      157,705
      -65%
      300
      2,566
      4,635
      -45%
      49,657
      48,756
      2%
      Town & Country
      350
      12,537
      -97%
      58,805
      86,908
      -32%
      Pacifica
      8,753
      0
      New
      52,083
      0
      New
      CHRYSLER BRAND
      14,518
      27,275
      -47%
      215,196
      293,369
      -27%
      Dart
      2,203
      7,201
      -69%
      41,877
      82,041
      -49%
      Avenger
      1
      15
      -93%
      45
      1,294
      -97%
      Charger
      9,138
      6,804
      34%
      88,200
      88,323
      0%
      Challenger
      3,908
      4,297
      -9%
      59,176
      61,813
      -4%
      Viper
      62
      45
      38%
      571
      627
      -9%
      Journey
      7,133
      8,023
      -11%
      96,991
      100,256
      -3%
      Caravan
      6,696
      10,926
      -39%
      120,991
      89,833
      35%
      Durango
      4,934
      5,644
      -13%
      62,678
      56,897
      10%
      DODGE  BRAND
      34,075
      42,955
      -21%
      470,529
      481,084
      -2%
      Ram P/U
      36,885
      34,145
      8%
      441,862
      408,724
      8%
      Cargo Van
      0
      2
      -100%
      21
      2,157
      -99%
      ProMaster Van
      4,702
      2,084
      126%
      35,746
      23,658
      51%
      ProMaster City
      924
      1,721
      -46%
      14,625
      8,015
      82%
      RAM BRAND
      42,511
      37,952
      12%
      492,254
      442,554
      11%
      Giulia
      0
      0
      New
      7
      0
      New
      Alfa 4C 
      23
      34
      -32%
      457
      603
      -24%
      ALFA BRAND
      23
      34
      -32%
      464
      603
      -23%
      500
      1,147
      974
      18%
      14,026
      22,243
      -37%
      500L
      96
      231
      -58%
      3,016
      7,275
      -59%
      500X
      822
      1,621
      -49%
      10,869
      7,785
      40%
      Spider
      350
      0
      New
      2,225
      0
      New
      FIAT BRAND
      2,415
      2,826
      -15%
      30,136
      37,303
      -19%
      TOTAL FCA US LLC
      160,827
      187,731
      -14%
      2,051,796
      2,038,953
      1%
                        Total Car & MPV
      38,142
      57,802
      -34%
      545,787
      647,421
      -16%
          Total UV's
      80,174
      91,977
      -13%
      1,013,755
      948,978
      7%
          Total Truck & LCV
      42,511
      37,952
      12%
      492,254
      442,554
       
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