Let them go on strike, I really don't care if they ever return to work.  I buy vehicles built in Non-UAW plants for a reason.

23 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Let them go on strike, I really don't care if they ever return to work.  I buy vehicles built in Non-UAW plants for a reason.

Are you suggesting that GM move all Equinox and Terrain production to Mexico and simply shutter this assembly plant?

39 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Move it to Lordstown.  It's already way under capacity, and it is already a Delta 3 plant.   Having both Lordstown and GM CAMI both building Delta vehicles for North America and with Lordstown only having one model,  it was a footprint that never seemed to make much sense.

Agree, close CAMI and move the jobs to Lordstown. Solution solved.

2 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Are you suggesting that GM move all Equinox and Terrain production to Mexico and simply shutter this assembly plant?

I really dislike the UAW and would be much more likely to buy it if it was built in Mexico by a factor of about 500, yes.  There is a reason my last two cars were built in Puebla.

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Move it to Lordstown.  It's already way under capacity, and it is already a Delta 3 plant.   Having both Lordstown and GM CAMI both building Delta vehicles for North America and with Lordstown only having one model,  it was a footprint that never seemed to make much sense.

This would make an infinite amount of sense for GM.

5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Move it to Lordstown.  It's already way under capacity, and it is already a Delta 3 plant.   Having both Lordstown and GM CAMI both building Delta vehicles for North America and with Lordstown only having one model,  it was a footprint that never seemed to make much sense.

This is one of the most sensible things about any topic i have heard in a long long time

Agree with drew here..either lordstown or d-ham would have been my choice...

46 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

Agree with drew here..either lordstown or d-ham would have been my choice...

I only picked Lordstown because only the Cruze is there and there is a good half of that plant just sitting dark or as warehouse space.  D-Ham I believe GM has plans for. 

On 9/19/2017 at 7:50 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

I only picked Lordstown because only the Cruze is there and there is a good half of that plant just sitting dark or as warehouse space.  D-Ham I believe GM has plans for. 

Still sounds like they are not sure yet....they seem to be still throwing things around. Though it's funny (but true) about Lordstown, can also be said about D-Ham.....

Not knowing the details of the negotiations, I will abstain from speaking in favor for or against either side.

However, even though I know it is normal 'union speak' to use phrases like, "We put our best foot forward, and we don’t believe the company is serious about our membership’s demands", still irks me.  Why it irks me is that I don't believe, in full, either side of that statement.  I don't believe the union put their 'best foot forward' and I don't think GM didn't take them seriously.

I just think both sides need to stop talking to the press and get back to negotiations.  Or, moving production, whether it be the 'right' thing to do (from the worker's at CAMI's perspective) may just be what happens.... especially if GM has other facilities that can make up the slack as suggested.

On 9/23/2017 at 9:20 AM, lengnert said:

Not knowing the details of the negotiations, I will abstain from speaking in favor for or against either side.

However, even though I know it is normal 'union speak' to use phrases like, "We put our best foot forward, and we don’t believe the company is serious about our membership’s demands", still irks me.  Why it irks me is that I don't believe, in full, either side of that statement.  I don't believe the union put their 'best foot forward' and I don't think GM didn't take them seriously.

I just think both sides need to stop talking to the press and get back to negotiations.  Or, moving production, whether it be the 'right' thing to do (from the worker's at CAMI's perspective) may just be what happens.... especially if GM has other facilities that can make up the slack as suggested.

Moving production is what needs to happen, busting the damned union would be infinitely better.

12 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Moving production is what needs to happen, busting the damned union would be infinitely better.

I have moderated my fairly vindictive stance on unions and the UAW in particular over the years.  I have worked with union leaders that I felt confident were working as well as they could with the company and for their workers, and some that have not.

It's a tough call.....

Let's hope the result works well for the most involved and not just the powers that be on either side.

2 hours ago, lengnert said:

I have moderated my fairly vindictive stance on unions and the UAW in particular over the years.  I have worked with union leaders that I felt confident were working as well as they could with the company and for their workers, and some that have not.

It's a tough call.....

Let's hope the result works well for the most involved and not just the powers that be on either side.

I really have not....

2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I really have not....

...and I wish no one any harm at all.  But we cannot forget the way unions acted when they had power and the upper hand.

i'm kind of neutral on unions in general, as in the software business they generally aren't present and I'm used to a 'lone wolf' contractor mindset about work....staying at one employer for life is just not something in my world.   But I do understand the important things unions have done for workers in general in the past... and don't unionized auto workers in the auto industry make more per hour than non-unionized, generally?