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    Rolls-Royce's CEO Says Electrics Are On the Table Due To Regulations

      Even Rolls-Royce is planning electric versions of their vehicles

    Rolls-Royce has made it clear that it plans on introducing electric powertrains to their vehicles in the future once the technology has fully developed and customers want one. But new regulations are forcing their hand.

    Rolls' CEO Torsten Müller-Ötvös told Car and Driver that the Phantom will receive the option of an electric powertrain sometime during its lifecycle. The platform that underpins the Phantom and future models have been built with electrification in mind. 

    “We are more regulator driven than consumer driven. We might well see, in the next decade, some Asian markets closing down city centers to combustion engines completely. And then, of course, [electrification] is a must,” said Müller-Ötvös.

    Müller-Ötvös admitted that no one is clamoring for an electric Rolls at this time, but expects that situation to change in the next 10 years or so.

    Source: Car and Driver

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    They have to build and EV and this is the Phantom is the most logical vehicle in the world to be an EV.  Their #1 priority is quiet operation with huge torque, electric does that.   The car is huge with lots of space for batteries and they don't care about weight.  And lastly the new Phantom LWB is $530,000 before options, their buyers don't care about price either.

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    6 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    They have to build and EV and this is the Phantom is the most logical vehicle in the world to be an EV.  Their #1 priority is quiet operation with huge torque, electric does that.   The car is huge with lots of space for batteries and they don't care about weight.  And lastly the new Phantom LWB is $530,000 before options, their buyers don't care about price either.

    BUT... the article clearly intimates that Rolls-Royce customers are NOT ASKING for an EV, nor do they WANT an EV.

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    BUT... the article clearly intimates that Rolls-Royce customers are NOT ASKING for an EV, nor do they WANT an EV.

    True, and he states for them it will be government driven. With China moving to ban ICE auto's, it is not a matter of if, but when they will have to have a pure EV to meet demand in their largest market.

    To quote their CEO:

    CEO Torsten Müller-Ötvös has confirmed that the new platform has been designed with electrification in mind. “We are more regulator driven than consumer driven,” Müller-Ötvös admitted at the Phantom press launch. “We might well see, in the next decade, some Asian markets closing down city centers to combustion engines completely. And then, of course, [electrification] is a must.”

    Not if, but when and they clearly know they will have to offer their product in pure EV form. Even they admit that their auto's are not driven long distances but mostly short inner city use.

    EV's make perfect sense as you have a very large auto that can handle the batteries and take advantage of the massive torque to move quickly.

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    BUT... the article clearly intimates that Rolls-Royce customers are NOT ASKING for an EV, nor do they WANT an EV.

    Sure...

    But...

    BECAUSE in REGIONS where MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES live, these regions are gonna ban the sale of the ICE, like soon, Rolls-Royce does NOT want to be caught with their pants down...

    This is the part YOU read...

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    Müller-Ötvös admitted that no one is clamoring for an electric Rolls at this time

     

    BUT...these are the parts YOU WILLFULLY ignored...
     

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    We might well see, in the next decade, some Asian markets closing down city centers to combustion engines completely. And then, of course, [electrification] is a must,” said Müller-Ötvös.


     

     

     

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    Müller-Ötvös admitted that no one is clamoring for an electric Rolls at this time, but expects that situation to change in the next 10 years or so.

     

    In the next ten years or so...if Rolls-Royce does not have any kind of EV...even the most donkey headed, horse blinders, ancient schooled (not even old-schooled as old-school is STILL too modern) status quo fight 'til the end, never change for anything or anyone conservative...is expected to ask for an EV...and why is that?

    Because he wont be able to buy a brand new ICE...

    And...

    A post YOU also WILLFULLY ignored by SMK

    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    They have to build and EV and this is the Phantom is the most logical vehicle in the world to be an EV.  Their #1 priority is quiet operation with huge torque, electric does that.   The car is huge with lots of space for batteries and they don't care about weight.  And lastly the new Phantom LWB is $530,000 before options, their buyers don't care about price either.

    Makes a lot of sense...that post right there!!!

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    So how do you sell something the customer is not asking for?  Corporate SUICIDE.  The regulations are at best, not realistic, and at worst, they are completely anti-business.  And that is WRONG.

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    33 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

    So how do you sell something the customer is not asking for?  Corporate SUICIDE.  The regulations are at best, not realistic, and at worst, they are completely anti-business.  And that is WRONG.

     

    Tell that to FoMoCo and Apple...

     

    quote-if-i-had-asked-people-what-they-wa

    AND Steve Jobs using it for his corporate suicide ways...

    research-rebooted-market-research-is-bro

     

    Its a shame... BOTH are AMERICAN PIONEERS THAT CHANGED THE WAY WE LIVE and represent American ingenuity all in the name of being afraid of what the future may hold.

    I get it though...evolve or die...and some of us are afraid to evolve and therefore die...

     

     

     

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    The Pahntom would make a perfect EV.  Range anxiety is gone because Rolls-Royce owners have a private jet, so long road trips are out.  They also have a chauffeur so he can charge the car, the owner need not worry about it.

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    In an ideal world, all (OK most) of our current auto fleet would be EVs just to save the billions we spend on gasoline and motor oil and maintenance.  That may well happen in 25 years or so given technology.  Yes RR is doing it because of the specter of ICE bans, but it is better to be prepared than having a product you can no longer legally sell.  No need to be WV residents who wish the world was stuck in 1980 when seemingly everybody wanted cheap coal over (then-available) alternatives.  Between natural gas, renewable energy, and automation, I have no idea why anyone in Appalachia cannot simply move on to something that can provide for their present and future needs rather than seek out some alleged savior who is incapable of turning back the clock.

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    7 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    In an ideal world, all (OK most) of our current auto fleet would be EVs just to save the billions we spend on gasoline and motor oil and maintenance.  That may well happen in 25 years or so given technology.  Yes RR is doing it because of the specter of ICE bans, but it is better to be prepared than having a product you can no longer legally sell.  No need to be WV residents who wish the world was stuck in 1980 when seemingly everybody wanted cheap coal over (then-available) alternatives.  Between natural gas, renewable energy, and automation, I have no idea why anyone in Appalachia cannot simply move on to something that can provide for their present and future needs rather than seek out some alleged savior who is incapable of turning back the clock.

    But, But , But that would mean they would have to stop in-breeding and removing brain capacity with each generation.

    Maybe that is not a bad thing when you look up the WV resident pictures:

    AppalachianInBreeding.jpg

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      IONIQ 5 seamlessly integrates advanced technologies for an enhanced digital user experience. The wide, configurable, dual cockpit features a 12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen and hoodless 12- inch digital gauge cluster that can be customized to meet customers’ needs.
      For the first time in Hyundai, IONIQ 5 features an Augmented Reality Head-Up Display (AR HUD), essentially turning the windshield into a display screen.
      IONIQ 5 is also equipped with the next level of Hyundai SmartSense, advanced driver assistance system, ensuring the highest levels of safety and convenience on the road. IONIQ 5 is the first Hyundai model to offer Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2). Other driving assistance systems include Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA), Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW), High Beam Assist (HBA), and more.
      IONIQ 5 will be available in selected regions starting in the first half of 2021.
      Dimensions
      Wheelbase
      3,000 mm
      Length
      4,635 mm
      Width
      1,890 mm
      Height
      1,605 mm
      Cargo
      Boot/trunk space
      531 L / 1591 L (when second-row seats are fully folded)
      Front trunk
      North American (NA) model: 24 L (both AWD and 2WD)
      Non-NA model: 57 L (2WD) or 24 L (AWD)
      Performance
      Platform
      Electric-Global Modular Platform
      Maximum Driving Range
      (according to WLTP)
      470~480 km
      (When pairing 2WD with 72.6-kWh battery option)
       
      Long Range
      72.6-kWh Battery
      (77.4-kWh for NA)
      AWD
      Power
      225-kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605-Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      5.2 seconds
      2WD 
      Power
      160-kW Rear
      Torque
      350-Nm Rear
      0-100 km/h
      7.4 seconds
       
      Standard Range
      58-kWh Battery
      AWD
      Power
      173 kW (Front and Rear combined)
      Torque
      605 Nm (Front and Rear combined)
      0-100 km/h
      6.1 seconds
      2WD
      Power
      125 kW
      Torque
      350 Nm
      0-100 km/h
      8.5 seconds
      Features (Please see additional details section below table for more information)
      Supported Charging Infrastructure
      400 V and 800 V (No need for additional adapters)
      Ultra-fast Charging
      10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes of charge
      100 km of range (WLTP) in 5 minutes of charge
      Vehicle-to-Load
      Max. Output
      3.6 kW
      Port Locations
      Inside: Under second-row seats
      Outside: vehicle charging port
      Infotainment
      Screen
      12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen
      Hoodless 12-inch digital gauge cluster
      Bluelink® connected car services
      Remote Profile Management
      Remote Start Enhancements
      Vehicle Status Notifications
      POI Send to Car Now with Waypoints
      Maintenance Alert Enhancement
      Dynamic Voice Recognition
      Safety and Convenience Features
      Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA)
      Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA)
      Safe Exit Assist (SEA)
      Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA)
      Driver Attention Warning (DAW)
      High Beam Assist (HBA)
      Surround View Monitor (SVM)
      Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCCA)
      Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist (PCA)
      Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2)
      Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
      Available Colors
      Exterior: Gravity Gold Matte, Shooting-Star Gray Matte, Digital Teal-Green Pearl, Lucid Blue Pearl, Atlas White, Cyber Gray Metallic, Phantom Black Pearl, Galactic Gray Metallic (not available in NA region), Mystic Olive-Green Pearl (not available in NA region)
      Interior: Obsidian Black and Dark Pebble Gray/Dove Gray, Dark Teal/Dove Gray, and Terra Brown/Mud Gray (only available in Korea)
    • By David
      Many have heard of AI and they think Terminator. Yet AI in the computer industry has allowed us to build computers and accessories faster due to the ability of AI to sift through data faster than humans can. This brings us to how AI is helping the Auto industry transition to EV's and how battery tech will change much faster than in the last two decades.

      IBM has announced their recent battery project is developing prototypes of new faster charging batteries that are free of Nickel and Cobalt thanks to AI. It has allowed them to quickly evaluate a set of 20,000 potential compounds for use in the Battery electrolytes. This would normally take 5 years via traditional human research and yet was accomplished in nine days using AI.
      GM Ultium batteries and Panasonic batteries have reduced testing from three years to about six months. This is going from a large number of time consuming charging and discharging cycles to using AI to cover what would be done manually in three years to six months.

      Gbatteries has used AI to build faster and more reliable DC fast chargers. InoBat from Slovakian has stated that AI is helping them to boost battery density by 20% with the batteries being sold in 2023.
      VW has stated AI is helping them lay out a new roadmap of lite weight materials for auto's including their own batteries that are in development.
      Dyson has claimed that AI is how they have brought Solid State batteries to market now.
      AI is going to help usher in the next generation of not only Auto's but phones, computers, etc.  AI will touch just about every aspect of life for people.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-car-batteries-get-a-boost-from-artificial-intelligence-11604422792
      https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130221_report-ai-will-dramatically-speed-up-battery-development-and-thus-ev-adoption
      https://na.panasonic.com/us/press-releases
    • By David
      According to Electrek web site, VW will open up their reservation system in September. Online reservations for the ID.4 EV will only require a $100 deposit. VW production of the ID.4 for European and Chinese markets has started and is on size to compete with the Tesla Y small CUV. The auto is expected to have about 250 miles of range in base form and start at $40,000. 300 miles plus for the top trim version. Production for the North American Market will start in early 2022 at Chattanooga Factory upon the construction completion of the assembly line and battery production plant. The auto has a .28 drag coefficient.
      ID.4 Concept

      https://electrek.co/2020/08/27/vw-id4-electric-suv-orders-september-deposit/
      Thanks to a Chinese web site not being secure, actual production models have been caught before the official introduction. A muscular clean CUV EV is seen here and close to the Concept.




      https://electrek.co/2020/06/17/leaked-photos-of-vw-id-4-electric-crossover-reveal-clean-design/
    • By David
      Lots of interesting stuff happening as GM by divisions starts to release more info on their EV programs.
      First is a interesting video on their Ultium batteries. This clearly shows how versatile they can build the battery packs.
      https://plants.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/bcportal.html/currentVideoId/6157651202001/currentChannelId/Most Recent.gsaOff.html
      Multiple-cell-configurations-within-Ultium-modules.mp4

      They have released a video of a side profile of the new Chevrolet Bolt morphing into the Bolt EUV. I was able to download the video and as such, way more visual detail than on the posted web sites below are showing.
      https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.html
      chevrolet-bolt-euv-teaser-1598391287.mp4
      https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33799068/chevy-2022-bolt-bolt-euv-tease/
      https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/26/2022-chevy-bolt-euv-teaser-video/
      https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/chevrolet-teases-2022-bolt-euv-and-ev-confirms-super-cruise-for-electric-suv/
      https://insideevs.com/news/440899/chevrolet-bolt-euv-production-summer-2021/
       
      Have to say the upcoming update to the Chevrolet Bolt and the EUV is nice looking and should sell even better than the old Bolt. Truly a much more CUV look.
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