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Because I'm likely to agree with him given today's news.

I think GM has just lost its corporate mind.

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panic is a bad state of mind for decision making.

Exactly.

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panic is a bad state of mind for decision making.

And yet that is what GM does in face of challenge: panic. Where is the proud, confident leadership that GM really needs?

GM needs their own Alan Mullaly; someone from the outside who knows what to do to turn it all around with a sound vision of what the company should be and the courage to hand a pink slip to anyone who isn't willing to get with the program.

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Because I'm likely to agree with him given today's news.

I think GM has just lost its corporate mind.

:yes:

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Historically it has been Chrysler that faces a Challenge, even certain dead, head on with new, groundbreaking product. That of course was before being anally raped. Today it's Ford that seems to actually be rising to the Challenge, and we can see results of this new mindset with real results, namely the Fiesta and next Taurus. Not only that but they are actually listening (bring the hatch Fiesta to the US after all).

Time will tell in the end, but I do hope all 3 of them find the courage, innovation, and strength of leadership to not only survive but make a comeback, and prove again to the world we are the best at building desirable cars.

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And yet that is what GM does in face of challenge: panic. Where is the proud, confident leadership that GM really needs?

GM needs their own Alan Mullaly; someone from the outside who knows what to do to turn it all around with a sound vision of what the company should be and the courage to hand a pink slip to anyone who isn't willing to get with the program.

An outsider could help, look how Lutz helped...IMHO, GM has too many lifers in charge who seem to have little grasp of the state of the auto market outside of SE Michigan.

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PSC:

How can you be so damn happy with GM's stupidity and the death of worthy product?

You're like the parent that laughs when their kid breaks a leg! :huh:

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Historically it has been Chrysler that faces a Challenge, even certain dead, head on with new, groundbreaking product. That of course was before being anally raped. Today it's Ford that seems to actually be rising to the Challenge, and we can see results of this new mindset with real results, namely the Fiesta and next Taurus. Not only that but they are actually listening (bring the hatch Fiesta to the US after all).

Anymore, it is Ford I am keeping within the distance of my left ear (GM within the distance of the right, of course). Rear-drive is still on the table there and the company listens to what it's customers want (in all honesty, they always have; if they didn't, they would have replaced the Mustang with the Probe long ago like they intended to). If Bill Jr. was still in charge, it wouldn't be anything like the way it is going to be in the future.

Time will tell in the end, but I do hope all 3 of them find the courage, innovation, and strength of leadership to not only survive but make a comeback, and prove again to the world we are the best at building desirable cars.

Agreed.

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I had a perfectly fine day, we even went out to dinner.

Good to hear you are doing well, sir.

I imagine you got the steak? :P

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PSC:

How can you be so damn happy with GM's stupidity and the death of worthy product?

You're like the parent that laughs when their kid breaks a leg! :huh:

Becuse at the end of the day, he knows he will still have a job, and GM will still be around.

While he may not be happy with GM's every choice, he understands why..... :yes:

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Time will tell in the end, but I do hope all 3 of them find the courage, innovation, and strength of leadership to not only survive but make a comeback, and prove again to the world we are the best at building desirable cars.

:yes:

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Good to hear you are doing well, sir.

I imagine you got the steak? :P

Mmmm...steak!

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Good to hear you are doing well, sir.

I imagine you got the steak? :P

Nah, the restaurant heard GM execs were coming and decided to only serve chicken.

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The Volt is the most important product in the pipeline for GM, they haven't screwed that one yet.

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I guess I've hit the big time---got my own thread..:)

This is certainly not the way I wanted to be proven right. It's depressing---and some of the bad news has actually been knocked off the front pages (BAS battery failures, 900 Hybrid sales)---and not something I was looking forward to....

What blows my mind is the meek response by GM management---there's not a reputable business journal that has said anything positive about this management team in months, if not years.

I wish GM the best. But I fear the worst.

Anyone wanna start an RW dead pool? My bet is he doesn't see 2009 as their CEO.

I'm going to do my best to keep my posts as positive as possible. They've made it extraordinarily difficult to do so, but I'm going to try.

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Historically it has been Chrysler that faces a Challenge, even certain dead, head on with new, groundbreaking product. That of course was before being anally raped. Today it's Ford that seems to actually be rising to the Challenge, and we can see results of this new mindset with real results, namely the Fiesta and next Taurus. Not only that but they are actually listening (bring the hatch Fiesta to the US after all).

Time will tell in the end, but I do hope all 3 of them find the courage, innovation, and strength of leadership to not only survive but make a comeback, and prove again to the world we are the best at building desirable cars.

:blink:

Ah, Chrysler was the last to react to the oil shocks of the '70s and nearly went bankrupt. GM started downsizing in 1977 while Chrysler continued producing bloated beasts. Although Chrysler was the first to come out with a FWD transversal engine configuration (the Omni/Horizon), it only did so with a VW engine.

GM led the pack in the '70s and made daring decisions. Ford and GM beat Chrysler with their own 'small' cars in the '60s, too. The Valiant came out after the Corvair and Falcon.

Chrysler has been lucky in the past because it has always been the smallest of the Big 3 and, consequently, the easiest to turn around.

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I wonder how much of what is being publicly said is for the benefit of the UAW/CAW. The recent announcements of closing the Windsor transmission plant, the Oshawa truck plant, etc. all sounds very dire, but isn't that what negotiating is all about? Make a low-ball offer and see what the counter offer is?

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GM led the pack in the '70s and made daring decisions. Ford and GM beat Chrysler with their own 'small' cars in the '60s, too. The Valiant came out after the Corvair and Falcon.

man i wish we had a man like Ed Cole running the show again. it was he that made some great moves back in the day. i used to think he was a bum cause he made the call to drop compression for the 71 model year, but after doing some reading about him and where he came from and all the things he accomplished, if we could only have someone of his character and expertise back in the saddle people would say toyo-what?

as far as the domestics i sadly have my money on ford for now, they were looking bleak and suddenly they are heading back up, with a very secure line up. the next 5 years are going to be a long strange trip.

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Nah, the restaurant heard GM execs were coming and decided to only serve chicken.

ZING!!!

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Ah, Chrysler was the last to react to the oil shocks of the '70s and nearly went bankrupt. GM started downsizing in 1977 while Chrysler continued producing bloated beasts. Although Chrysler was the first to come out with a FWD transversal engine configuration (the Omni/Horizon), it only did so with a VW engine.

GM led the pack in the '70s and made daring decisions. Ford and GM beat Chrysler with their own 'small' cars in the '60s, too. The Valiant came out after the Corvair and Falcon.

Chrysler has been lucky in the past because it has always been the smallest of the Big 3 and, consequently, the easiest to turn around.

Minivans

First gen Neon (considered among the best compacts of it's time, not the quality issues they have now)

Cab Forward Design

LX platform

Just to name a few.

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man i wish we had a man like Ed Cole running the show again. it was he that made some great moves back in the day. i used to think he was a bum cause he made the call to drop compression for the 71 model year, but after doing some reading about him and where he came from and all the things he accomplished, if we could only have someone of his character and expertise back in the saddle people would say toyo-what?

as far as the domestics i sadly have my money on ford for now, they were looking bleak and suddenly they are heading back up, with a very secure line up. the next 5 years are going to be a long strange trip.

Yeah, I read that, too. He caught hell at the time, but it proved that GM was ahead of the times. Don't forget, the catalytic converter was GM's, too. It makes me wonder when we started attacking everything GM does and ever did.

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Minivans

First gen Neon (considered among the best compacts of it's time, not the quality issues they have now)

Cab Forward Design

LX platform

Just to name a few.

The minivan was actually Ford's idea. When Iaccoca came over from Ford, he brought with him a few of his pals who had kicked around the idea of a minivan.

The original Neon was cute and fast, but very, very rough. I rented one for a week in Victoria back in '94. Quality issues plagued it from the beginning, including the fact that an 8 year old could steal one.

Don't get me wrong, Chrysler has contributed a lot over the years (they had the best 3 spd auto for decades, the 'slant-6', they were the first to capitalize on unibody construction, etc.) but they have never been considered a 'trailblazer.' I"ve often wondered if Chrysler would still be around if it hadn't bought Jeep in the late '80s.

Even today, as bad as some critics harp on GM, in many ways GM is ahead of the pack: 5 spd autos (over at BMW), OnStar, 5 year maintenance intervals (started 13 years ago at Cadillac and now company-wide) and others.

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Nah, the restaurant heard GM execs were coming and decided to only serve chicken.

....at the rate we are going, Sushi, Bratwurst, and Kimshi will be all that auto execs are eating....

Seriously, I think GM will make it.

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