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Maybe it's just be, although I know it isn't, but I am getting sick and tried of more and more ads and packaging being in Spanish. At first it was English on top with smaller Spanish below it, then Spanish got bigger until it was the same size, and recently I've seen ads only in Spanish. That really Pisses me off.

The first example of this was a several months ago where there were small promotional ads in a store in the soda section that had to do with Pirate of the Caribbean and Coca Cola. There were 4 or 5 of these ads spread throughout the isle and every one of them was in Spanish.

Today while browsing Autoblog Sprint just showed a cell phone ad that was exclusively in Spanish.

But the worst offender is a big billboard on Route 110 for the US f@#king Navy exclusively in Spanish. That's disgusting.

Am I the only one on this site who feels this way? Why is it that every other group of people from around the world who have migrated to the USA over the years have adapted and learned English and for the most part of become legal, respectful citizens, with the exception of Mexicans people from DR and such?

It's so disrespectful to me and just a spit in the ye to this country...but we actually seem to condone it and DO NOTHING about it.

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Heh-heh..it's like that all over here in Arizona... all the signs in Target, Wal-Mart, etc are bilingual. I've seen a few billboards in Spanish only.

I think it crosses a line when the US Military starts doing it in Spanish only.

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Well, the military is desperate for new recruits...they have to get what they can get.

So by advertising in only one language, Spanish no less, that will help broaden their message?

Not getting angry with moltar of course, it's just an issue that really infuriates me.

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So by advertising in only one language, Spanish no less, that will help broaden their message?

Not getting angry with moltar of course, it's just an issue that really infuriates me.

I hear you..it's kind of absurd...but that's the way it is... targeted advertising. I've seen Spanish language TV commercials here on local, English language stations! Spanish speakers are the fastest growing group in the US..

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Dude, you live in Lawrence; it has the highest Hispanic population per capita ANYWHERE in ASSachusetts by far, what do you expect?

I totally agree with you about what you're saying, by the way, it's just I find it funny that you're acting surprised about it given where you live.

Here, I found a nice t-shirt for ya:

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This is a topic of discussion among myself and a couple of my friends quite often and we share your feelings DF. It is a disgrace to this nation IMO. My family are Italian immigrants than came to this county in 1966 ( at least my father's side of the family) and what did they do? My grandparents who were grown adults with 3 children to raise, learned how to speak English, my grandfather going to night school while working during the day as a carpenter for Fordham University. Eventually moving to head carpenter by the time he retired in 1992. My grandmother worked her way up to supervisor at one of the Stella Doro cookie factories. My father who had never spoken a word of English was only 13 when they came here, and had to learn English while in school with all the 'normal' kids. My father grew up to open his own business, but always had a job and worked hard without standing on corners for these vans that come and pick you up to bring you to the next job. It sickens me to see what has become of this country in just about every facet, and this acceptance of illegal immigrants and such seriously needs ot be put to an end. Just recently 3 houses were built next door to where I live, and in each house a spanish family has moved in. One of these families is always in their backyard BLASTING Spanish music. This goes on from the afternoon hours till sometimes 2, 2;30 AM. My grandmother whom I live with and is now 78 years old and recently a breast cancer survivor cannot get any rest with this music blasting ( which you can hear from down the block) and yet their total lack of respect goes by without so much as a single police officer coming by and saying hey this is disturbing the peace. Before I go on with my rant which will probably last a lot longer than this paragraph I will stop myself. Things need to change, and now.

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Dude, you live in Lawrence; it has the highest Hispanic population per capita ANYWHERE in ASSachusetts by far, what do you expect?

I totally agree with you about what you're saying, by the way, it's just I find it funny that you're acting surprised about it given where you live.

Here, I found a nice t-shirt for ya:

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Well duh about Lawrence but it isn't just Lawrence or Lowell that I've seen it in, and it doesn't make it any more of an excuse. Learn so f@#king English!

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This is a topic of discussion among myself and a couple of my friends quite often and we share your feelings DF. It is a disgrace to this nation IMO. My family are Italian immigrants than came to this county in 1966 ( at least my father's side of the family) and what did they do? My grandparents who were grown adults with 3 children to raise, learned how to speak English, my grandfather going to night school while working during the day as a carpenter for Fordham University. Eventually moving to head carpenter by the time he retired in 1992. My grandmother worked her way up to supervisor at one of the Stella Doro cookie factories. My father who had never spoken a word of English was only 13 when they came here, and had to learn English while in school with all the 'normal' kids. My father grew up to open his own business, but always had a job and worked hard without standing on corners for these vans that come and pick you up to bring you to the next job. It sickens me to see what has become of this country in just about every facet, and this acceptance of illegal immigrants and such seriously needs ot be put to an end. Just recently 3 houses were built next door to where I live, and in each house a spanish family has moved in. One of these families is always in their backyard BLASTING Spanish music. This goes on from the afternoon hours till sometimes 2, 2;30 AM. My grandmother whom I live with and is now 78 years old and recently a breast cancer survivor cannot get any rest with this music blasting ( which you can hear from down the block) and yet their total lack of respect goes by without so much as a single police officer coming by and saying hey this is disturbing the peace. Before I go on with my rant which will probably last a lot longer than this paragraph I will stop myself. Things need to change, and now.

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The music thing is another major thing that pisses me off around here, where as XP said, is mainly Spanish. They blast that crap for hours and into the night. I've heard it at 5 AM from the people who lived next door. Happily their house foreclosed and it's been much more quiet.

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Would we all be as pissed off if it was Polish or Russian or Czechoslovakian, instead of Spanish?.

Undoubtedly...different language same problem, but the problem doesn't exist with any other group of people, so your argument is irrelevant.

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I would be, my family didnt go around blasting Italian music, it has nothing to do with what nationality they are, this is America, our national language is English....learn to speak, enough of these bull$h! Spanish ads, instruction manuals and all this other bull$h!. Force them to learn the language like everyone else who came to this country at one point or another had to do. Again going back to my family, when they got a new appliance or something,they had to learn to read so they could understand what they had to do to make it work, or with a car's owners manual.

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Stop watching the Spanish channels DF! :smilewide:

On Cox cable here in Phoenix I get at least 5 Spanish channels... it is fun to channel surf through them sometimes, the telenovellas (soaps) often have hot curvy Latinas.. :)

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Dude, try and at least spell 'America' correctly..

You also need to realize that Mexico is part of America!

Yes, as is Canada. North America. I think gmforlife meant the US which some commonly call America.

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Yes, as is Canada. North America. I think gmforlife meant the US which some commonly call America.

I know... :AH-HA_wink:

By the way... there are parts of LA that are completely in foreign languages (besides Spanish), and I don't see anybody in a big fuss about that. I know first generation USA-ans (hehe) whose parents (from places other then Mexico or Central America) don't speak one word of English.

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Why is it that every other group of people from around the world who have migrated to the USA over the years have adapted and learned English and for the most part of become legal, respectful citizens, with the exception of Mexicans people from DR and such?

"Every other group" usually took a couple generations for everyone to start speaking English and assimilate. This happens every time a new wave of immigrants comes to America, yet every time, people act like the new wave is a threat that America has never seen before.

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I know... :AH-HA_wink:

By the way... there are parts of LA that are completely in foreign languages (besides Spanish), and I don't see anybody in a big fuss about that. I know first generation USA-ans (hehe) whose parents (from places other then Mexico or Central America) don't speak one word of English.

I have a lot of friends that are Indian immigrants...many speak English (the Queen's English) better than many US-born Anglos that I've met... :)

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My best friend who is Asian...his cousins and uncle recently immigrated here. They have been learning English since day one...the cousins can already speak it pretty fluently.

Excellent... come to East LA County, and I'll show you China.

This is the same argument that comes up when people comment on cars being "this and that" based on personal experience... There is always a counter-example.

As Enzora said... it usually takes a couple generations for a group/family to assimilate.

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I think the problem is less that people are too lazy to learn a new language (though you could argue that depending on their circumstances, there are differences in people's abilities to learn the new language), and more that groups of immigrants are becoming so large that they just don't have to. Of course, the whole "freedom of speech" thing helps to ensure that signs/advertisements/etc. can be in foreign languages...

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The elephant in the room is that the argument isn't really about English, but since we aren't 'allowed' to discuss it under any other pretext, English it is. In Toronto, English is the minority. There are entire neighborhoods without a single English sign. The U.S. is lucky, because eventually the English majority can push back. In Canada, we've always had 'two solitudes' (three, really - now the aboriginals are trying to hog in), which paralyses any rational discussion on what to do.

Even in my job, being unilingual is a handicap. People will walk up to us all the time and demand to speak to a [insert favorite ethnic group] speaking salesperson, which is as much to do with "I don't want to deal with you because you're white." Try doing that in a store. Demand to speak to someone who is 'english' and see where that gets you.

In defense of these immigrants (being as I live with one), it is a nightmare to learn a foreign language as an adult. I've weathered my BF's 6 1/2 years of learning the language and he is anything but lazy. He has taken numerous courses and I am an English major to help him! Ours is a frustrating language to learn - and that's coming from a culture that shares our alphabet. Good luck with Farsi or Mandarin! Also, try learning the language while driving a cab 12 hours a day and going home to 5 screaming brats.

Remember, you are learning more than just the language: you are learning the culture. Five years ago, the BF used 'f$#k' in nearly every sentence. Just like an 8 year old, I had to sit him down and expand his vocabulary of curses. Then I had to explain them. Then there are all the colloquialisms, idioms and clever slogans.

You don't know a language until you can a) joke in it and b) understand it's poetry.

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this is America, our national language is English

FALSE FALSE FALSE!!

America has no official language, hence this debate even existing.

Question: when you go to New York or Chicago and go to Chinatown, does it piss you off that all the signs are in Chinese? Me? I love it...gives the places character.

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I know... :AH-HA_wink:

By the way... there are parts of LA that are completely in foreign languages (besides Spanish), and I don't see anybody in a big fuss about that. I know first generation USA-ans (hehe) whose parents (from places other then Mexico or Central America) don't speak one word of English.

I love K-Town. I can't read a damn thing, but it just adds a totally different flavor to the area.

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Drive around Southern California. You will see billboards in Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Spanish and English. It's not the immigrants putting up these big signs! Its the rich white Americans trying to make a buck. So stop blaming the immigrants. How many immigrants do you know that can afford a billboard along interstate 5!?!?

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FALSE FALSE FALSE!!

America has no official language, hence this debate even existing.

Question: when you go to New York or Chicago and go to Chinatown, does it piss you off that all the signs are in Chinese? Me? I love it...gives the places character.

I live in NYC, and our national language is English, plain and simple. China town and all the take out places scattered all over the country are one thing, they are exclusive to those set areas/ stores. When I drive down I-95 and I see a billboard in entirely Spanish without a single word of English there's a difference. When I get an automated phone recording when calling any major company today and I'm asked to continue in English press 1 that pisses me off. It's very rare that the other choice(s) is something more than Spanish. That's a fact. Everyone I've ever met in my entire 26 years on this planet that was born and raised here speaks English. They may speak other languages at home with family...but that English is still what they speak in public and understand it is the language of this country. My family still speaks Italian at home, but when they are in public they don't go around speaking Italian at the grocery stores to the clerks or asking for a manager because the coupons aren't in Italian.

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I live in NYC, and our national language is English, plain and simple. China town and all the take out places scattered all over the country are one thing, they are exclusive to those set areas/ stores. When I drive down I-95 and I see a billboard in entirely Spanish without a single word of English there's a difference. When I get an automated phone recording when calling any major company today and I'm asked to continue in English press 1 that pisses me off. It's very rare that the other choice(s) is something more than Spanish. That's a fact. Everyone I've ever met in my entire 26 years on this planet that was born and raised here speaks English. They may speak other languages at home with family...but that English is still what they speak in public and understand it is the language of this country. My family still speaks Italian at home, but when they are in public they don't go around speaking Italian at the grocery stores to the clerks or asking for a manager because the coupons aren't in Italian.

I'd hope so! The argument here is that immigrants/newcomers aren't. I'm pretty sure their children are.

And as stated... the foreigners aren't advertising in their respective languages, its the people companies that want to sell more of their product.

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I was responding to the comment that English isnt our national language. Perhaps not officially but it's been the rule of thumb for quite some time...lol. It's more than just marketing, if that was purely the case why aren't any of the other major languages use din advertising? French, German, Italian, etc.

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I was responding to the comment that English isnt our national language. Perhaps not officially but it's been the rule of thumb for quite some time...lol. It's more than just marketing, if that was purely the case why aren't any of the other major languages use din advertising? French, German, Italian, etc.

Because the French, German and Italian immigrants probably make up a fraction (if that) of the total number of immigrants from Asia and Spanish speaking American countries.

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Okay, so why aren't there more Asian based advertisements based on your theory. The Asian advertising I see is pretty created by the Asian's living here, in places like China town etc. You won't find a sign in Japanese at a Walmart, bu tI can bet you'll find a Spanish one.

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Free Translation Dot Com is awesome, even if the translations suck.

Anyways, companies advertise in Spanish because people speak Spanish, its that simple. They want to reach as many people as possible, so they do it in the most efficient way. I remember riding the L in Chicago, you could look out the windows and all you could see was signs in Spanish. Why do you think Mexico City and other tourist areas in Mexico have English signs (and many English speakers)? Because they want American tourists and their money. Same reason American companies advertise in Spanish. Asking them to stop is just idiotic, because you're limiting who they can advertise their goods and services to.

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Okay, so why aren't there more Asian based advertisements based on your theory.

What theory?

There is a 5 mile stretch of the a freeway in LA (60 going through the City of Industry and Hacienda Heights) that has ONLY Chinese (I believe) text. Because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. For living in Los Angeles and San Diego (so I take it we should translate these from Spanish too?) I see very few billboards in Spanish.

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Okay, so why aren't there more Asian based advertisements based on your theory. The Asian advertising I see is pretty created by the Asian's living here, in places like China town etc. You won't find a sign in Japanese at a Walmart, bu tI can bet you'll find a Spanish one.

Its numbers. Go to a Wal-Mart in a predominantly Spanish speaking area, there are going to be Spanish signs. Same with a Wal-Mart in a heavily Asian area.

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I don't speak Spanish, my friends don't speak Spanish, nor do a lot of people I know. You guys make me laugh, I know let me go back to school so I can learn Spanish and feel more at home now. Give me a break.

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I don't speak Spanish, my friends don't speak Spanish, nor do a lot of people I know. You guys make me laugh, I know let me go back to school so I can learn Spanish and feel more at home now. Give me a break.

What's there to laugh about? Nobody is telling you to learn Spanish, simply that you have to accept the fact that it will be used around you.

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Because you fail to see the problem is what I'm laughing about. If lets say a 1/4 of the US population immigrated to Mexico, and began to put up signs in English, began playing Metallica and other "American" music till all hours of the night, started advertising in English in the Newspapers and at stores, you don't think the Mexicans would be like WTF?

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Its numbers. Go to a Wal-Mart in a predominantly Spanish speaking area, there are going to be Spanish signs. Same with a Wal-Mart in a heavily Asian area.

Yes..same with Target in the Phoenix area (where there are millions of Hispanics, probably 95% illegals from Mexico)...I saw it in some Denver-area Targets also (Aurora). Problem is, the economy depends on cheap labor from Mexico...got to have people for the yard service, the drive thru at Jack in the Box and McDonalds, maid services, etc...

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Because you fail to see the problem is what I'm laughing about. If lets say a 1/4 of the US population immigrated to Mexico, and began to put up signs in English, began playing Metallica and other "American" music till all hours of the night, started advertising in English in the Newspapers and at stores, you don't think the Mexicans would be like WTF?

Well... considering Spanish is the de facto official language, and English doesn't count as one of Mexico's indigenous languages, then... YES, they would be like WTF, and at least they would have a reason to :lol:

By the way... they love Metallica and lots of other "American" music in Mexico (at least in Mexico City).

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This is obviously a waste of time trying to make you see the problem, Lets keep the flood gates open and keep allowing more and more Spanish people immigrating here and NOT becoming legal citizen's and start posting more billboards in Spanish, maybe have the local news broadcasts in Spanish with English closed captioning because it's all in the "numbers".

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This is obviously a waste of time trying to make you see the problem, Lets keep the flood gates open and keep allowing more and more Spanish people immigrating here and NOT becoming legal citizen's and start posting more billboards in Spanish, maybe have the local news broadcasts in Spanish with English closed captioning because it's all in the "numbers".

If the USA keeps providing them jobs (that its own citizens don't want) then why wouldn't they keep taking them?

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If the USA keeps providing them jobs (that its own citizens don't want) then why wouldn't they keep taking them?

I read an article today, it seems the bad economy is sending them home in droves, and keeping new ones from making the trip. That an La Migra's increased enforcement.

A friend in Delaware said that La Migra raided every Burger King in Delaware at the same time and rounded up hundreds, they also raided poultry plants last week, the plants and Burger King had to shut down after, for hiring illegals.

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Excellent... come to East LA County, and I'll show you China.

This is the same argument that comes up when people comment on cars being "this and that" based on personal experience... There is always a counter-example.

As Enzora said... it usually takes a couple generations for a group/family to assimilate.

I will agree with DF though......the Mexican situation seems to be quite a bit more drastic than any other immigrant group in the U.S. right now. Also having lived in SoCal, it's an incredibly depressing combination of rampant illegal immigration and their seeming refusal to assimilate into our culture (in ways such as learning english, etc.)

I too am so frustrated that, now, in order to use the ATM, or call a toll-free customer assistance number, you have to "press 1 to CONTINUE in English...."

And it's EVERYWHERE.

We aren't just talking about the Chinese having a "Chinatown" in San Francisco, L.A., etc........the immigrant/migrant mexican population is overrunning our country....and not conforming.

AND, it's not simply a "Mexican" thing.....it's the immigrant/migrant faction that is causing most of this. I work with a guy from Tijuana and Mexico City that moved here a few years ago. Know what? He learned english. But, he is also a relatively middle-to-upper class guy from Mexico......not a migrant worker sneaking over the boarder.

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Since my wife is Hispanic/American Indian, this is an interesting thread...

I think every American should be forced to learn at leasdt one other language....welcome to the rest of the world.

Even I can speak a good bit of spanish...

It's not the language I'm worried about, it's the values .....

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FALSE FALSE FALSE!!

America has no official language, hence this debate even existing.

Question: when you go to New York or Chicago and go to Chinatown, does it piss you off that all the signs are in Chinese? Me? I love it...gives the places character.

True....

But let's not kid ourselves.....English IS our official language.....even if not written in stone.

For right or for wrong, English is a world-wide language.....it's the official language of the international airline industry. ANY airline pilot flying any plane in any country HAS to speak English. It is the one constant used to keep sanity in the airways between pilots, airports, and control towers.

Look at how many foreign countries have English splashed around everywhere you go......street signs in English (and their native tongue), store signs in English, etc., etc.

BUT, we aren't talking about the rest of the world. We are talking about OUR country. And no, I don't mind Chinese signs in Chinatown, or other such things....but I know that when I go to the ATM, it doesn't ask me if I speak "Chinese" or "Deutsch" or "French" or "Italian" or "German" or "Russian" or anything else....it asks for only "Spanish" or "English."

That's wrong.

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It's not the language I'm worried about, it's the values .....

....and the rampant illegal immigration.....and all the money (our money) poured into taking care of them when they go to the emergency room.......or the jobs lost to U.S. citizens that, I'm sorry, they WOULD DO....

All this flak about "jobs that U.S. citizens won't do" is horsecrap.

Why do you think that when you walk into a McDonalds in southern California all the workers are hispanic (and most possibly illegal) when you go next door to the In-And-Out Burger and they are all high-school middle-class white kids? Because In-And-Out Burger pays a fair wage and attracts a type of worker a step above than the immigrant/migrant worker that will work for dog wages....

There's something wrong when something like 80% of our illegal immigrants in this country are hispanic..........with the remaining 20% to be made up of ALL the other ethnicities around the world....

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Just to clarify....'cause I know I'm coming across as an ass....

But I have nothing wrong with ANYONE of hispanic or mexican origin.....

But I do have a HUGE problem with illegal immigration and the lack of assimilation into our English culture that invariably is a result of said illegal immigration....

And I have a HUGE problem with the fact that our government won't do anything about it....instead only pandering to the special interests that benefit from this situation.....

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When I went to Sears and saw a freakin' STOVE with SPANISH in large capital letters on the controls with ENGLISH in tiny, lower case letters under it, it amazed and angered me.

If you want to move to the USA, do so legally and learn to speak ENGLISH as soon as you can, even BEFORE you emigrate! Virtually EVERY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP assimilates themselves to the American culture except for Spanish-speaking people, and they don't even TRY to learn English! You cannot expect to do business in the USA if you don't know the language.

This crap has GOT to STOP! If we continue to kowtow to these people, all will be lost. Think of the generations of folks who came here seeking to work hard and become Americans in every sense of the word. Today's Spanish speakers will not change because they have little incentive to, with business and government bowing to them.

We need a federal law in this country making English the official language. I mean, it almost seems absurd it's come to this, but it is truly getting ridiculous.

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True....

But let's not kid ourselves.....English IS our official language.....even if not written in stone.

For right or for wrong, English is a world-wide language.....it's the official language of the international airline industry. ANY airline pilot flying any plane in any country HAS to speak English. It is the one constant used to keep sanity in the airways between pilots, airports, and control towers.

Look at how many foreign countries have English splashed around everywhere you go......street signs in English (and their native tongue), store signs in English, etc., etc.

BUT, we aren't talking about the rest of the world. We are talking about OUR country. And no, I don't mind Chinese signs in Chinatown, or other such things....but I know that when I go to the ATM, it doesn't ask me if I speak "Chinese" or "Deutsch" or "French" or "Italian" or "German" or "Russian" or anything else....it asks for only "Spanish" or "English."

That's wrong.

My point exactly.

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When I went to Sears and saw a freakin' STOVE with SPANISH in large capital letters on the controls with ENGLISH in tiny, lower case letters under it, it amazed and angered me.

If you want to move to the USA, do so legally and learn to speak ENGLISH as soon as you can, even BEFORE you emigrate! Virtually EVERY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP assimilates themselves to the American culture except for Spanish-speaking people, and they don't even TRY to learn English! You cannot expect to do business in the USA if you don't know the language.

This crap has GOT to STOP! If we continue to kowtow to these people, all will be lost. Think of the generations of folks who came here seeking to work hard and become Americans in every sense of the word. Today's Spanish speakers will not change because they have little incentive to, with business and government bowing to them.

We need a federal law in this country making English the official language. I mean, it almost seems absurd it's come to this, but it is truly getting ridiculous.

My point exactly +1

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And I have a HUGE problem with the fact that our government won't do anything about it....instead only pandering to the special interests that benefit from this situation.....

I hear you. Big agri-business corporations, etc need their cheap labor. Corporations fund the politicians and have the lobbyists. Thus, nothing gets done. :(

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We aren't just talking about the Chinese having a "Chinatown" in San Francisco, L.A., etc........the immigrant/migrant mexican population is overrunning our country....and not conforming.

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What I was referring to was not "Chinatown" etc., but similar situations to predominantly Mexican areas.

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What I was referring to was not "Chinatown" etc., but similar situations to predominantly Mexican areas.

But what I see, in SoCal, is not "predominantly Mexican areas" per se, but ENTIRE CITIES.......

Look at what happened to Santa Ana.......I think 88% hispanic population, largest city (~340,000 people) in Orange County.....and the vast majority of the city is now one big trash heap.....

At least when I go into Chinatown, or other Asian areas such as Alhambra, the San Gabriel Valley.....it still appears that the local population has pride in it's neighborhoods and does a realtively fine job of keeping them up....and they seem vibrant....etc....

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But what I see, in SoCal, is not "predominantly Mexican areas" per se, but ENTIRE CITIES.......

Look at what happened to Santa Ana.......I think 88% hispanic population, largest city (~340,000 people) in Orange County.....and the vast majority of the city is now one big trash heap.....

At least when I go into Chinatown, or other Asian areas such as Alhambra, the San Gabriel Valley.....it still appears that the local population has pride in it's neighborhoods and does a realtively fine job of keeping them up....and they seem vibrant....etc....

Hacienda and Rowland Heights have to be up there in Asian population. Diamond Bar is up there too.

It's all about money - period.

Yup... lot's of foreigners are taking over, some are not as fortunate as other.

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I was responding to the comment that English isnt our national language. Perhaps not officially but it's been the rule of thumb for quite some time...lol. It's more than just marketing, if that was purely the case why aren't any of the other major languages use din advertising? French, German, Italian, etc.

FALSE FALSE FALSE!

Just because you disagree with the lack of an official language does NOT mean that what YOU WANT is the "rule of thumb."

Try telling that line to someone who grew up in the Bronx years ago and he'll tell you Yiddish was HIS "rule of thumb."

I see plenty of languages used in advertising on a daily basis. I see English, Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc., but I know that's because I live in Los Angeles, which is one of the most diverse areas of the country. Open up your eyes and your mind to the world around you. What difference does it make when 1 out of every 100 billboards you see along the freeway aren't in your language?

And what does the fact that it's along the freeway matter, anyway? The government doesn't coordinate all interstate advertising--that's done by local private landowners wanting to make a quick buck off their freeway-fronting property, barring any anti-billboard ordinance by the municipality.

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Because you fail to see the problem is what I'm laughing about. If lets say a 1/4 of the US population immigrated to Mexico, and began to put up signs in English, began playing Metallica and other "American" music till all hours of the night, started advertising in English in the Newspapers and at stores, you don't think the Mexicans would be like WTF?

Only if they were consumed with raging bigotry. There, I said it. Have you even BEEN to Mexico? They happily court the money of Americans. I've never heard anything other than English language music in the Mexican cities due to all the tourism. Of course, *I* thought that was a terrible thing and felt like I was being cheated out of experiencing much of another culture.

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lol...say what you want, call me Archie Bunker, the fact remains this country has been run into the f@#king toilet and it's $h! like illegal immigration that's the reason. Yes times change, and NOT FOR THE BEST. No i will not accept it and I will not tuck my f@#king tail between my legs like you and say oh it's okay things change. This country is in so much debt and yet we hard working American CITIZEN'S have to pay more taxes while these bums come in and take all these illegal jobs working off the books and yet we still cater to them. It's a f@#king disgrace plain and simple.

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BTW for your information I was born and raised in The Bronx, and when my family came to this country in 1966 they moved to The Bronx. So my family has been here 42 years and 35 years in this very house. Indeed the times have changed here too, a year ago we didn't have to hear the f@#king music coming from next door on a daily basis.

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BTW for your information I was born and raised in The Bronx, and when my family came to this country in 1966 they moved to The Bronx. So my family has been here 42 years and 35 years in this very house. Indeed the times have changed here too, a year ago we didn't have to hear the f@#king music coming from next door on a daily basis.

If there's too much noise coming from next door, call the police and file a noise complaint. Except that...I don't think the noise is really the issue you have with them.

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>>"Times change. Get used to it. You can either adapt and move with it, or you can get angry and pissed off while clinging to the past like Archie Bunker. Your choice."<<

Why is 'change it' not an option ?? That's my choice. We are supposed to just live with every lousy situation that comes along ?? Maybe the U.S. Gov can print up sister brochures to the Mexican Gov ones for the illegals once they belly-crawl into this country, add turnstiles, hot dogs & balloons at the border. Let's all 'live with it'.

No, in reality we are being overrun and allowing it. It only makes us look weak that we cannot bond together or even talk to each other. Willful social segregation.

English is the mainstream, majority language of the U.S. as it's always been; whether it is officially declared so or not in the near future, nothing would change either way; signs could still remain bi where deemed 'neccesary', but one thing that would & should change: English would be the first language you'd see, and the default language used.

75 years ago products & advertising in this country were not presented in bi-lingual formats. Learning English was both a survival neccessity and a sense of pride for the immigrant.

Maybe B&Eing into this country is a hallmark of the type of person who doesn't give a sh!t, but with all this sickening liberal bullsh!t bi-lingual bullsh!t (and it's NOT just products, the Gov is guilty here, too), not only is there apparently no pride in becoming an American, there's no need to either. Hell, when there's 20,000,000 of your countrymen here already, who needs to become a part of any community but one's own ??

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If you would go back and read one of my original posts in this thread I've already stated the police have yet to do anything about it. If you're trying to call me a racist you fail, because I have not said one racist thing in this thread and as a matter of fact here's a little more info for you, to the left of my house is another Spanish family, they have lived here for well over 20 years and are in fact friends of the family. They are are respectable hard working people that become legal citizen's whenever it was they moved to this country, however many years ago that may have been. They are quiet and they too have complained about our new neighbors to the right of my house. I already stated that 3 new houses were built next to me, and those 3 houses are owned by Spanish families....I have yet to say one bad thing about the other 2 households. So don't give me this racist Archie Bunker bull&#036;h&#33;. What I do have a problem with is the catering to a specific group of people who come into this country more times than not illegally and begin to work illegally, while our country continues to sit idle and not address the issue. While on top of it all they are clearly taking over, as others have said when you call somewhere and have to press 1 to continue in English otherwise it's Spanish. Not Chinese, not Italian, not German, not French. Spanish or English. That is the problem. Is this the United States of America or North Mexico now?

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75 years ago products & advertising in this country were not presented in bi-lingual formats. Learning English was both a survival neccessity and a sense of pride for the immigrant.

Maybe B&Eing into this country is a hallmark of the type of person who doesn't give a sh!t, but with all this sickening liberal bullsh!t bi-lingual bullsh!t (and it's NOT just products, the Gov is guilty here, too), not only is there apparently no pride in becoming an American, there's no need to either. Hell, when there's 20,000,000 of your countrymen here already, who needs to become a part of any community but one's own ??

Really? Because immigrant neighborhoods sure seemed to have a lot of immigrant-language local newspapers, which had local immigrant-language ads in them.

And as has been pointed out here in this thread, and in just about every article on the topic, immigrants tend not to learn English, but their children do.

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If you would go back and read one of my original posts in this thread I've already stated the police have yet to do anything about it. If you're trying to call me a racist you fail, because I have not said one racist thing in this thread and as a matter of fact here's a little more info for you, to the left of my house is another Spanish family, they have lived here for well over 20 years and are in fact friends of the family. They are are respectable hard working people that become legal citizen's whenever it was they moved to this country, however many years ago that may have been. They are quiet and they too have complained about our new neighbors to the right of my house. I already stated that 3 new houses were built next to me, and those 3 houses are owned by Spanish families....I have yet to say one bad thing about the other 2 households. So don't give me this racist Archie Bunker bull&#036;h&#33;. What I do have a problem with is the catering to a specific group of people who come into this country more times than not illegally and begin to work illegally, while our country continues to sit idle and address the issue. While on top of it all they are clearly taking over if as others have said when you call somewhere and have to press 1 to continue in English otherwise it's Spanish. Not Chinese, not Italian, not German, not French. Spanish or English. That is the problem. Is this the United States of America or North Mexico now?

Uh huh. That's like my father saying he isn't racist because he likes this one black family he met.

Or the people who claim they aren't homophobic because they're friends with a token gay.

No, you haven't said anything racist, but you most certainly have chosen to express your frustrations in a way that has a very clear undertone. You rant about Spanish language in billboards, then you bitch about the neighbors next door who play loud music and speak Spanish, then you rant about all the damn illegals coming into the country.

Three questions:

1. Are your loud-music-playing neighbors there illegally?

2. Why are you equating military recruitment in Spanish with illegals? An illegal couldn't enlist, duh.

3. Why are you ranting about all these completely separate issues in the same thread? Illegal immigrants are not all Mexican. I'm sure there are a few Canadians who emigrate illegally every year as well. What about Americans emigrating illegally to Canada during Vietnam?

The fact that you rant about illegal immigration, the new neighbors, and a spanish-language advertisement all in one thread seems to indicate that the real issue here is that you don't like people who speak Spanish. You don't want signs to accomodate them, you don't want to hear their music, and you don't want them coming into the country "illegally," though I'd love to know just how you determine their legality. If it smells like smoke, there's probably fire.

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Having been born in Slovakia in 1979 and immigrated here

to the USA in 1987 without being able to speak a word of

English I can def. agree with that. It's absolutely annoying

to have someone assume I do/should speak English.

And WHY the F$ do I have to waste (collectively) 20 min.

every month pressing "#1 for English"???

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