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but I... (Microsoft) used Mac computers to make this ad.

Sad but true. Really.

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Hard to believe, unless Microsoft recently started their own ad agency.

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It got out and a Microsoft Exec was already spinning the usual P.R. bull$h! this A.M.

saying something along the lines of

"sure we used Macs... we used LOTS of different hardware including some P.C.s" :lol:

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DF:

You, being graphic designer by trade do not like Macs?

Wow... good luck wit that.

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You, being graphic designer by trade do not like Macs?

Wow... good luck wit that.

I think "do not like" is like saying the Chinese have a small problem with quality control (anyone got milk?).

I can if you really want write s short essay one why Macs suck so very much.

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In 1997 when I got to college I griped and groaned about Macs, being one

who preferred PCs. After four years in college Using Macs 70% of the time

I learned from experience that Macs are MORE reliable, MORE flexible,

MORE user friendly, MORE intuitive... I could keep going but the point is

as a holder of a Graphic Design degree, (B.A.) you are the VERY first I've

ever met of our peers that prefers P.C.s.

I have a feeling I KNOW what your reasons are.... and I say:

If I had the know-how, tools, time & money to install a Pontiac derived 455

Super Duty/M22 in a tube chassis with 4-wheel independent suspension,

and all the best mechanicals/hardware AND then draped the whole thing in

a 1979 Hyundai pony fiberglass skin...

I WOULD NOT USE THE END PRODUCT TO EXPLAIN WHY HYUNDAI KICKS A$$!

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In 1997 when I got to college I griped and groaned about Macs, being one

who preferred PCs. After four years in college Using Macs 70% of the time

I learned from experience that Macs are MORE reliable, MORE flexible,

MORE user friendly, MORE intuitive... I could keep going but the point is

as a holder of a Graphic Design degree, (B.A.) you are the VERY first I've

ever met of our peers that prefers P.C.s.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can't stop laughing. :rotflmao:

Let's start with user friendly and intuitive:

Why is it that you can't rearrange the files when viewing beyond a list or thumbnails? Why are you unable to sort them?

When you use a program, like PhotoShop, on a PC, you have a dedicated background for the program so that you do not accidentally click something else and go to that program. On a Mac you're screwed. If you click anywhere that is not the project window you are working in, you end up clicking on whatever program may be behind you.

Why is it that if you click, say the Firefox icon you can only open one browser window? In Windows you can open multiple ones by clicking the icon multiple times. What a concept!

Speaking of annoying program discrepancies, have you ever used Dreamweaver? On a PC when multiple files are open they are neatly organized in tabs. Not so on a Mac!

How about when you maximize a window in Windows it truly maximizes it, whereas on a Mac it only maximizes it vertically?

How about the fact that until what, last year, you couldn't get a Mac brand Mouse with right-f@#king-click. How is Ctrl+Click better? More user friendly and intuitive? Never mind the fact that there wasn't a scroll wheel.

How about the fact that until the G5, there was no front USB port, and you had to rely on the $h!ty USB 1.0 ports on the keyboard, and even the early G5's only had 1 lousy port.

Oh and let's not forget how EFFING annoying it is when anytime you want to eject a flash drive from a Mac you cannot simply pull it out as on a PC, you must "eject it" and wait for it to tell you that it is OK to remove the device. Intuitive! User Friendly! Bull $h!!

Don't forget that there is no "show desktop" feature on a Mac. Nay, you can press F11 or something like that to move the windows aside. But they come back. Oh yes. And it pisses me off every time.

Flexible? Surely you jest. Try adding another CD/DVD drive on G5's before they came with that empty 2nd bay. What if you wanted to add another? What if you wanted to upgrade RAM without spending a fortune on Apple brand Ram. 3rd party support is cheaper but far more limited in choice.

With a PC you have thousands of parts that are interchangeable and make for easy and painless upgrades.

Wanna play Halo on your Mac? No such luck for you (unless you run Windows on it which defeats the whole point of owning a Mac), or thousands of games in general. No you can go f@#k off with the insanely retarded iTunes.

Let's also talk choice. Don't like Windows Media Player? (I don't), there's plenty of others to choose from. Not so on a Mac.

Stable? Have you tried OSX Leopard? It's terrible. UMass Lowell had so many problems with crashing and lock-ups that they downgraded to the older OS.

Then there's the price, or rather overpriced. The premium you have to pay for the "Mac experience" is just stupid. No thanks, I'd rather save hundreds and build a comparably speced PC or spend the same and build a far more powerful PC.

The ONLY advantage anyone has shown me that a Mac has is the color output settings to what you see is what you get for prints. Woopidy-freaking-doo. Considering I don't do many important print-outs anyway, that advantage is moot.

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If I had the know-how, tools, time & money to install a Pontiac derived 455

Super Duty/M22 in a tube chassis with 4-wheel independent suspension,

and all the best mechanicals/hardware AND then draped the whole thing in

a 1979 Hyundai pony fiberglass skin...

I WOULD NOT USE THE END PRODUCT TO EXPLAIN WHY HYUNDAI KICKS A$$!

Also, what the hell does the 2nd part of your post have to do with anything? That it takes so long to save lots of cash and build it yourself? So coming from the cheap man himself about he likes to do his own work, you'd rather have it done for you? Hypocrisy is not cool my friend.

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The above poster wins at the Internet.

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One more thing. No dedicated Print Screen Button. It's like 3 or 4 different buttons on opposite sides of the keyboard you have to press on a Mac to get the same result of one button on a PC.

BUT IT'S SO USER FRIENDLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!

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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

Says it all. I have no problem when someone uses Apple; hell competition is awesome. What I do have a problem with are people who take any opportunity to tell me their Apple is better than my PC, as if they are somehow superior, even though the joke is on them when they decide to pay through the ass for a measly 1GB RAM upgrade.

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I should mention that my boss bought a brand new G5, with all the bells and whistles about 3 weeks ago and it s already screwing up.

Macs never break though.

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DF:

You, being graphic designer by trade do not like Macs?

Wow... good luck wit that.

ZOMG I don't have iPhoto! The interwebs are t3h doomed without it!

All or nearly all of the Graphic programs used in the industry support PC as well as Mac.

Somehow I think I'll get by.

Try working with ASP.NET on a Mac.

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I'm pricing out a G5 Apple, and it's hilarious.

FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS for 4GB of DDR2!

An extra 'superdrive' costs $100, while I can buy one for my PC for under 20...

Woweee! I can have FOUR ATI 2600 XT's!

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I'm pricing out a G5 Apple, and it's hilarious.

FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS for 4GB of DDR2!

An extra 'superdrive' costs $100, while I can buy one for my PC for under 20...

Woweee! I can have FOUR ATI 2600 XT's!

$400 is half the price of the computer I just built for my girlfriend! And yeah, it's got 4 Gigs of Ram.

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I feel compelled to weigh in on this post.

I have roughly 10 years of web and graphics design experience (and a degree). I started on a 6500-series Power Mac, then upgraded to a G3 B&W Mac. I used to think Macs were better. However for the last 6 years it has been PC only for me (except for class). I do 100% of my design work on PC's using mostly Adobe CS3 master collection, the same software they have loaded on the college Apple computers. I have used G5's and iMac's at college extensively (the latest C2D iMacs), and despite becoming completely comfortable with the OS, I am not nearly as productive as I am on the PC. I even bring my MX518 to college because the "Mighty Mouse" is a mighty gay attempt at a mouse. Windows may not look as nice or be as newb-friendly as MacOS X, but it is far more comfortable and productive for someone who uses mostly keyboard shortcuts to navigate and needs precise mouse acceleration (as opposed to gay MacOS mouse acceleration). Also, from my experience with both OS's, they are roughly the same in terms of stability and crashing potential.

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Try working with ASP.NET on a Mac.

It's easy........ as long as you're using a Windows server. :lol:

Well, there probably is a way to use IIS and develop asp/.net in MacOS X locally, probably with a dual boot. I wouldn't want to set it up though, and I don't see why anyone would want to do coding on a Mac.

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Macs are for people that have no idea how to use a computer. After 4 hours of using a mac it gets boring there is nothing more to explore. Windows however is better for the advanced User You can explore and learn things daily. Home networks are awesome Especially with start/run/Shutdown.exe -i Talk about fun stuff.

The best is the Nix' Ubuntu is amazing after you figure out driver issues and set up 3d desktops and such, but the average user will never understand it.

I will always prefer PC's because ease of use and maximum compatibility. However Mac has a very nice laptop design I love the mac book pro for its design and hardware, however it is over priced and should come with windows vista 64.

It a pointless argument and no one will ever win.

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Well any of the points you're using for your argument are either too new for

me to be able to give fair judgment on OR I kindly agree to disagree and/or

it is irrelevant to me.

Perhaps the past few years have changed things and there's been a 180*

but I can certainly tell you that last time I was using both on an everyday

basis Macs kicked ass and took names.

Using a Mac for graphics was like using a 9C1 Caprice for a taxi cab... but

using a PC for graphics was like using a fu$%ing Geo Metro Convertible for

rock crawling.

Either way, I'm not going to get that bent out of shape.... this is not one of

my hot-buttons. :rolleyes:

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Good thing they have no B-pillars then! :P

Every mac I have used has been slower than my PC, I'm sure by now their are faster ones but I'd hate to pay for it.

Just admit it. I win this round. :smilewide:

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uhhhh... sure if you need to feel like you "won" then okay.

You're ten times the nerd I am.

Guess what though?

I've never had a Mac do any of the following:

1. blue screen of

2. continuous crashing

3. viruses, ever

4. really $h!ty performance & the inability to diagnose said problem

5, fried hard drive

P.C. suck imho & based on MY experience I'd own a Mac right now

if I had the money to buy one.

But yes, your "Nerd Kung Fu" is stronger than mine... :P

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uhhhh... sure if you need to feel like you "won" then okay.

You're ten times the nerd I am.

Guess what though?

I've never had a Mac do any of the following:

1. blue screen of

2. continuous crashing

3. viruses, ever

4. really $h!ty performance & the inability to diagnose said problem

5, fried hard drive

P.C. suck imho & based on MY experience I'd own a Mac right now

if I had the money to buy one.

But yes, your "Nerd Kung Fu" is stronger than mine... :P

  1. Haven't seen that since Windows 98
  2. See #1, but just wait until you spend quality time with Leopard :wink:
  3. I'll give you that
  4. Maybe you just had a $h!ty computer?
  5. Happened once but was a result of the HD actually failing not some mystery virus or because it wasn't graced by a Mac OS to save it from d00m
  6. To each his own, just be willing to pay more for the smiley face logo and the spinning ball of death :)

Oh pulease. Every time someone says something that goes against your idea you try to come up with some way to justify how that can't be right (OMG I get 18mpg on a good day so theirs no way you can get 38. The math is wrong, the odometer is suddenly wrong even though the mileage is the same for every trip, a filter in the space time continuum broketified and caused it to happen" or "I'll agree to disagree"

But it's ok, I hate Macs and you hate pieces of metal that reinforce a car's structure but obstruct the view and look. We've all got our quirks. :P

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