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DISCLAIMER: Just because I'm grinding an axe about the G8 and how well it is doing doesn't mean I think that GM needs a whole line up of RWD V8 large cars. This is merely an interesting comparison.

cz28

Fleet sales were down 80%. In spite of that, and in spite of the approximate 30% decline in overall retail sales, GM managed to sell almost as many G8s this January as they sold Grand Prixs last January -- 1331 versus 1399. The G6 really felt the fleet decline, as sales fell to 2468 from 13942. Imagine if the Grand Prix were still around -- probably only a few hundred would have sold. Finally, only 1338 Auras were sold -- just 7 more than the G8.

I think the sales charts do a really good job of showing why Saturn, Saab, and Pontiac are on the ropes, as well as showing why GMC is not on the ropes. GMC sold over 19000 trucks -- over five times as many vehicles as Saturn sold.

It's interesting to see what happens when fleet sales drop off a cliff. It shows you the real strength of each division, and it really reinforces GM's divisional plans. I'll bet that the Vibe and G8 are the only Pontiacs that have a decent retail sales volume and explains why, contrary to what some have posted, the G8 is a success.

Not to mention, every G8 sold is profitable. The G8 and Solstice do well because THEY are true to the image of what Pontiac represents to the public. (The Vibe is probably doing well because it's new and competitive... And a Toyota :rolleyes:)

I don't really understand why Gm is so surprised about Saturn being down either. I mean, with all of the cut or sell talk, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

:)

POSTED by guionM (who posts here sometimes as well)

On the subject of the G8, how about a bit of trivia>

There were 12,045 G8s produced in 2008.

Of those 6,143 were the GT (V8) models.

There were 5,902 V6 models.

Yes..... 49% of all G8s produced were V6s.

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Would that I saw more of them than I do Grands Prix.

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The G8 is a rare bird.

A modern, never mind NEW car that I lust after. :)

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DISCLAIMER: Just because I'm grinding an axe about the G8 and how well it is doing doesn't mean I think that GM needs a whole line up of RWD V8 large cars. This is merely an interesting comparison.

cz28

Not to mention, every G8 sold is profitable. The G8 and Solstice do well because THEY are true to the image of what Pontiac represents to the public. (The Vibe is probably doing well because it's new and competitive... And a Toyota :rolleyes:)

I don't really understand why Gm is so surprised about Saturn being down either. I mean, with all of the cut or sell talk, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

:)

POSTED by guionM (who posts here sometimes as well)

But you speak too much sense, FOG!

No, of course that would mean taking a risk and maybe thinking outside the box for a change. Instead, let's rebadge some more Chevrolets like we've been doing for the last 30 years, glue on an arrowhead, and market it as new direction for Pontiac. :alcoholic:

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GP was a 5 year old model by then and this is the g8's first year out of the chute. part of why the GP tanked at the end was it was stale.

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GP was a 5 year old model by then and this is the g8's first year out of the chute. part of why the GP tanked at the end was it was stale.

The GP pretty much went straight to rental fleets even when new in '03. The GXP model had a problem in that the V8 overpowered the front wheels in spite of being limited to the 5.3 and relatively low peak torque. It might have done okay in the snow belt, but you just don't see any in California.

Pontiac needs a car that people will lust after, and the G8 fills that need. The GP was a car that people settled for. I mean, even if you bought the GP GXP, it would be only because you thought you needed FWD winter traction or because GM didn't offer a RWD. If not for snow, who really wants a FWD 5.3 more than a RWD 6.0?

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The GP pretty much went straight to rental fleets even when new in '03. The GXP model had a problem in that the V8 overpowered the front wheels in spite of being limited to the 5.3 and relatively low peak torque. It might have done okay in the snow belt, but you just don't see any in California.

Pontiac needs a car that people will lust after, and the G8 fills that need. The GP was a car that people settled for. I mean, even if you bought the GP GXP, it would be only because you thought you needed FWD winter traction or because GM didn't offer a RWD. If not for snow, who really wants a FWD 5.3 more than a RWD 6.0?

Actually saw a dark red Grand Prix GXP in traffic yesterday. What's the point of having a FWD V8 car in Phoenix?? ;)

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Actually saw a dark red Grand Prix GXP in traffic yesterday. What's the point of having a FWD V8 car in Phoenix?? ;)

None. Two possibilities:

1. Wanted GM sedan with V8 and no RWD available (STS too $$$).

2. Actually prefers FWD (there's always an exception to the rule)

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None. Two possibilities:

1. Wanted GM sedan with V8 and no RWD available (STS too $$$).

2. Actually prefers FWD (there's always an exception to the rule)

Or 3, a snowbird from Ohio or other frozen winter state. But it did have an AZ plate.

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Or 3, a snowbird from Ohio or other frozen winter state. But it did have an AZ plate.

Yeah. Or maybe from Flagstaff.

If a snowbird, then they get to decide which state to register it in, I guess. If AZ is cheaper than wherever they're from....

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Yeah. Or maybe from Flagstaff.

If a snowbird, then they get to decide which state to register it in, I guess. If AZ is cheaper than wherever they're from....

Yeah, lots of snow up in Flagstaff lately. But an 4WD SUV makes more sense up in the mountains. I've kept my Jeep registered in Colorado, though registration is about the same here (% value based) (and only 1 plate). Ohio is still the cheapest I know of (a flat $25/year, IIRC).

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I drove an Impala SS at one of GM's Ride&Drive events and then I rode in one about a year later (Avis rental car, believe it or not). The car sure sounded the part. But the excessive wheel spin on even moderate throttle input totally ruined it for me. Add in the fact that it was coming from the front, which was just all wrong, aesthetically speaking.

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I drove an Impala SS at one of GM's Ride&Drive events and then I rode in one about a year later (Avis rental car, believe it or not). The car sure sounded the part. But the excessive wheel spin on even moderate throttle input totally ruined it for me. Add in the fact that it was coming from the front, which was just all wrong, aesthetically speaking.

Yeah, I just can't get excited about a nose heavy V8 FWD car... great engine, wrong platform.

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Yeah, lots of snow up in Flagstaff lately. But an 4WD SUV makes more sense up in the mountains. I've kept my Jeep registered in Colorado, though registration is about the same here (% value based) (and only 1 plate). Ohio is still the cheapest I know of (a flat $25/year, IIRC).

1 plate is nice. My Camaro only has one, but the local cops don't seem to mind. I figure it gives them something to write me a ticket for when they're looking for an excuse, which was the case the one time I got a ticket (when a cop with truly awful powers of observation threatened to give me an "obstructing traffic" ticket for yielding to one of his fellow cops with the red and blue light on -- cop claimed not to have seen it). No points and $125 if you don't fix it (who wants to take a drill to his Camaro?).

Lots of cars in CA with just 1 plate. If/when I get a G8, though, I'll get the front plate, just to avoid the hassle.

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1 plate is nice. My Camaro only has one, but the local cops don't seem to mind. I figure it gives them something to write me a ticket for when they're looking for an excuse, which was the case the one time I got a ticket (when a cop with truly awful powers of observation threatened to give me an "obstructing traffic" ticket for yielding to one of his fellow cops with the red and blue light on -- cop claimed not to have seen it). No points and $125 if you don't fix it (who wants to take a drill to his Camaro?).

Lots of cars in CA with just 1 plate. If/when I get a G8, though, I'll get the front plate, just to avoid the hassle.

Speaking of plates, the latest state law here is it's now illegal to have the state name covered by a license plate frame, was a primary offense w/ a $135 fine at first. Last week, was reduced to non-primary w/ a $30 fine. So many lazy people leave the cheesy dealer plate frame on.

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The GP pretty much went straight to rental fleets even when new in '03. The GXP model had a problem in that the V8 overpowered the front wheels in spite of being limited to the 5.3 and relatively low peak torque. It might have done okay in the snow belt, but you just don't see any in California.

Pontiac needs a car that people will lust after, and the G8 fills that need. The GP was a car that people settled for. I mean, even if you bought the GP GXP, it would be only because you thought you needed FWD winter traction or because GM didn't offer a RWD. If not for snow, who really wants a FWD 5.3 more than a RWD 6.0?

I agree...

And even Californians showed some love for Pontiac recently (The GTO was a huge success in Cali)

*I'm sure someone will come on here and shoot that comment down, because we all know that unless GM (and by extension Pontiac) sells 2XX,000 of and given model, it's an instant failure.*

Oh, and I think NC is still a flat registration fee of $20-25 as well.

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As this Australian blog points out GM expected to sell 30,000 G8s per year but only sold about half that number. Basically, it was GTO Part Deux. How do you call that a success? BTW, that's not to say the G8 isn't a good car - it is. It's just that buyers are apparently turned off by the nameplate for the price. Or maybe it's the bland Australian styling?

http://blogs.drive.com.au/2009/01/america_...ort_blow_t.html

DISCLAIMER: Just because I'm grinding an axe about the G8 and how well it is doing doesn't mean I think that GM needs a whole line up of RWD V8 large cars. This is merely an interesting comparison.

cz28

Not to mention, every G8 sold is profitable. The G8 and Solstice do well because THEY are true to the image of what Pontiac represents to the public. (The Vibe is probably doing well because it's new and competitive... And a Toyota :rolleyes:)

I don't really understand why Gm is so surprised about Saturn being down either. I mean, with all of the cut or sell talk, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

:)

POSTED by guionM (who posts here sometimes as well)

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That's just Lutz talking in his own world. I hardly see any GTOs in LA.

And I see lots... so I guess that's settled.

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FOG you make to much common sense. I have been a strong supporter of a mixed FWD/RWD/AWD line-up as far as cars go. The G8 has won rave reviews by the auto press, including the most biased car rags and also has starting winning rave reviews about the new GXP model. On all accounts except sales the G8 has been a sucess, and speaking of which the GP was suppose to be a VOLUME mainstream car and its design only 4 years olds yet a powerful RWD car that gets worse fuel economy and yet they sold nearly as many G8's in a bad economy. If the economy was good that number would be 3 or 4 times that. Interesting I say you make a great case of the G8 and Solstice two cars that actually are what Pontiac is. The new G6 is not exactly what I think a classic Pontiac is but in this day and age it is a good memeber in the family, it is certainly nice looking thanks the MCE and the new six speed 4 cylinder combo.

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I drove and like the G8, will consider it for our next vehicle.

Anybody think the Aura XR will become a rare classic in the future? :alcoholic:

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As this Australian blog points out GM expected to sell 30,000 G8s per year but only sold about half that number.

Yeah, that is a shame since we're in this booming economy and credit is so easy to get that you can't let your dog wander free for fear it will come home with a mortgage.

oh....

wait....

Sales of GM cars (and many other company's) was down about 50% across the board. The G8 sold half of what was predicted. How is this a challenge to your thought process?

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Yeah, that is a shame since we're in this booming economy and credit is so easy to get that you can't let your dog wander free for fear it will come home with a mortgage.

oh....

wait....

Sales of GM cars (and many other company's) was down about 50% across the board. The G8 sold half of what was predicted. How is this a challenge to your thought process?

Yeah, the market timing was all wrong on the G8...if it had been out in '05-06, who knows, it might have been fairly successful.

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