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I was very interested when I went, and only slightly less so now.

Unfortunately, the seller is starting to "fix" the car, and well, let's just say that I wish he hadn't.

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Tell us more, Camino.

EDIT: Oh jeez, is he pulling the motor? Modifying it?

Maybe you should have taken the asking price in cash with you, negotiated him down a bit, and trailered it home to a safe place... yer barn.

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Tell us more, Camino.

EDIT: Oh jeez, is he pulling the motor? Modifying it?

Maybe you should have taken the asking price in cash with you, negotiated him down a bit, and trailered it home to a safe place... yer barn.

Well, he has removed the radiator, shroud, valve covers, A/C compressor, brackets and pulleys, cut the A/C lines, and removed the bolts from the intake. Someone has him thinking that he should yank the 400 and put in a 350...

I had my cash in my pocket, but left it there.

Not sure how I feel about it at this point.

Oh, and that pushrod sure is bent! Getting it out could be interesting.

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Oh man, all he's doing is destroying the value of the car. There is still time to save it though, man. Can't a/c lines be ordered through somebody like NAPA? Then you might also do a 134 retrofit.

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Oh man, all he's doing is destroying the value of the car. There is still time to save it though, man. Can't a/c lines be ordered through somebody like NAPA?

Maybe.

And there are places that can make them to order - but that's a new hassle that need not have been.

I wish he hadn't touched it, and just listed it for sale right away.

He has also replaced the gas tank (no rust, just dirty - don't know why he did that). And the fuel pump (new line with a big old generic fitting where it joins the old.

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He sounds like a dangerous tinkerer. You know the type. If he keeps it up, he will have nothing. If you want to save it and do right by it, call him and issue a "cease and desist"!

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This car is a "LuxuryLemans" sub model. But it has vinyl interior (very close to pristine), only has a 2bbl carb, and has single exhaust.

Could have been better optioned, but the condition is quite good overall.

I found a "YH" code on the block (along with some numbers I didn't manage to memorize).

Engine compartment would be a project to sort out and make right.

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YH is all you need. Assuming its the original 400, that is indeed the 2bbl, 190-hp (moan) 400.

Replacing a 400 with a 350 doesn't makes sense on Mars, never mind Earth.

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I thought fender skirts were mandatory on Luxury LeMans models, but I see this one has full openings with moldings. I prefer the full openings, just curious what PHS might have to say... do you have the VIN? Can they shed some insight?

The car, in the photos, looks very good. How's the corners of the vinyl top? See any bubbles?

Morrokide was the standard upholstery material.

A 400 2bbl is still a 400... by 1974 it could very well have been a 350, so you're a bit ahead of the game there, imo.

The emissions sticker on the rad support, does it ID the engine as a 400?

400 2 bbl was the standard engine on Grand Ams that year. Not sure if LL was the same, or if a 350 was base. The car you're looking at appears to be Honduras Maroon (?)

WOW. 210.9" long, 77.7" wide!

A photo in the '76 brochure shows a Grand Lemans coupe without skirts, so it could have been that way in '74 also. By '76, a stinkin' (by comparison, it was a good motor in a C-10) Chevy 250 six was standard in the Grand LeMans.

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I thought fender skirts were mandatory on Luxury Lemans models, but I see this one has full openings with moldings. I prefer the full openings, just curious what PHS might have to say... do you have the VIN? Can they shed some insight?

The car, in the photos, looks very good. How's the corners of the vinyl top? See any bubbles?

I thought so too, and am also glad it doesn't have them. The Luxury Lemans I remember all did (and were more heavily-optioned). Vinyl top is near perfect, I found two small spots with an odd lump underneath - but no crunchy rust areas. But this car should never be left out in the rain (which it was). Not rot anywhere that I could find, but preventative work should be done under the doors and under all of the lower trim. The right front lower trim is held on with screws, and I suspect that that fender has had some paintwork at one time.

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I believe that this is a LeMans Sport. The Lux LeMans had a 'targa' style vinyl top, this one has a full top. The skirts support this ID, too.

http://www.lov2xlr8....pt/bilder/7.jpg

Brochure page says the Lux has a fold-down armrest on a bench seat, buckets were optional on the Sport.

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350 was standard, so the 400 is one option. Vinyl roof (still called 'Cordova in '74?) and the formal quarter windows are another (vs the Colonnade's big quarter glass).

EDIT :: I think I can make out the "Luxury LeMans" script on the glove box tho. Strange...

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This has Luxury Lemans badging on the fenders and the trim at the base of the trunklid at the rear bumper.

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I was very surprised to see that badging too - I went expecting a Lemans rather than a Luxury Lemans.

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I don't think it has been tampered with much. Morrokide vinyl was an option that year, per Balthy's link, and buckets with console likely were as well.

And I believe by this time fender skirts were optional. Balthy's link shows the proper door trim panels for a LL, did the car have pull straps and a wide swatch of woodgrain? Because I think a base LeMans would have a different door trim panel.

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Thanks for doing the research guys, going to do some of my own after I run out for a snack.

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Well, the answer is simple- it's coded in the VIN.

LeMans : 2AD

LeMans Sport : 2AF

Lux LeMans : 2AG

Or, it would also be on the data plate : D37 / F37 / G37

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Here's a pic of what's left of a Luxury Lemans without the skirts.

You can also see the trim on the bottom edges of the trunklid that other Lemans variants didn't get.

They also have a different grille than the standard Lemans.

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