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Our usual comparos and dream garage threads typically center around sport sedans and super cars, but these heavy hitters are exciting in their own right. One has been around a while now and is a familiar face- the Bentley Continental GT. The other is a newcomer- the S63 AMG, in drop top form in this case. C&D got the two together for a shootout recently, and I thought this would make for a fun 'WYR' thread.


Here's the link- C&D: Bentley Conti GTC vs MB S63 AMG Cab 

 

 

So, which you rather have-

 

Bentley Conti GTC V8

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or

 

 

MB S63 AMG Cabriolet

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This is no contest for me. I'm fortunate enough to have driven both of these cars in their 12-pot guise (and w/ a roof), and my choice is the Bentley by a landslide. The article really sums up the difference in the two cars' demeanors quite nicely. The AMG is polished to a fault. It's a rolling techno-tour de force, albeit a damn comfortable one with mega power and acceleration. And props to MB for delivering a product that's quicker and has a better interior than it's rival for less money. The Burmeister stereo crushingly good. You haven't heard a stereo until you've experienced this thing.

But the Bentley. The Bentley just oozes charisma. It feels heavier (because it is) and more ponderous. The interior is decidedly lower tech and old school. But when you are driving it, none of that matters. It has a personality and charm that the AMG can't come close to matching. From the deftness of it's controls, to it's carved'from;granite gorgeous looks, to it's velvety smoothness, it's a car that truly embodies personal luxury, imo. If I were buying an outright luxury 2 door in the 200K+ range, there's nothing else I'd even consider.

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I find the Bentley's styling language beyond bland. I see them frequently in my area, they have no uniqueness, to the point I've pointed them out to passengers who were amazed at the price range. This is where both the general impact and the specific details should shine and they just don't. For the money, both in interior & exterior, they are HUGELY overhyped. For the money, I'd expect concept-caliber detailing.

S63, unfortunately, is wearing the nose of a $30K model. It's not ugly (tho it's also not especially upscale), but MB failed to differentiate it. Again, for the money; it's disappointing.

I have no pick between these 2.

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Hmmm....can I say this? I find both vehicles just not enough. I would rather they be priced like $500k (because the person buying these can afford both at the same time), but like Balth says, they are also then more concept car like.

 

The Bentley is 12 years old in terms of body in white and underlying structure. I do like the interior design. It looks classy, and it can stay that way. But I wonder, like, from the Escala concept, I like the idea of high quality tweed instead of leather on the seats. It's different, that's for sure. But that interior concept strikes me as something very clean in looks. And the off-white pillars, plus grey fabric, and selective use of cowhide, dead-tree and fake metal was astonishingly nice.

 

The Merc, while I also do like the interior, I find this front end ugly to me.

Okay, if I have to make a choice, it's the Buick Cascada. Now that's a luxury carbio barge that is totally bespoke from anything else in that brand.

 

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+1 and in agreement with Balthazar and A Horse with no Name. Pass on both of these bland dinosaurs. 

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

+1 and in agreement with Balthazar and A Horse with no Name. Pass on both of these bland dinosaurs. 

I would upvote this with a cheeseburger and fries if I could....

On 11/26/2016 at 11:19 PM, Suaviloquent said:

Hmmm....can I say this? I find both vehicles just not enough. I would rather they be priced like $500k (because the person buying these can afford both at the same time), but like Balth says, they are also then more concept car like.

 

The Bentley is 12 years old in terms of body in white and underlying structure. I do like the interior design. It looks classy, and it can stay that way. But I wonder, like, from the Escala concept, I like the idea of high quality tweed instead of leather on the seats. It's different, that's for sure. But that interior concept strikes me as something very clean in looks. And the off-white pillars, plus grey fabric, and selective use of cowhide, dead-tree and fake metal was astonishingly nice.

 

The Merc, while I also do like the interior, I find this front end ugly to me.

Okay, if I have to make a choice, it's the Buick Cascada. Now that's a luxury carbio barge that is totally bespoke from anything else in that brand.

 

Buick would be better, i agree....

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Never liked a Bentley. Especially these modern ones.

I would take a 4 door S Class AMG.

Bullet proof and bomb proof version...

The S600 Guard....

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But ultimately Id rather a classic restomod American land yacht from Cadillac or Lincoln or Oldsmobile..

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Here.

Here is another American land yacht Id rather...

If Im gonna spend a ton of money on a ride, I might as well choose something that has style and says to the receiving party that awaits my arrival: "Hey! I'M HERE!"

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Agree with Olds, many older American cars just beat the pants off of these two pseudo luxury yachts in terms of style and charter.

Please be aware that when i defend Benz, I am defending them in terms of being a rational corporation that builds products people want to drive. Given the choice between driving a Benz and drinking bleach....

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19 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

I don't recall FWD slugs (Buick) or smog-choked barges (Lincoln) being choices. Nice utter lack of attempts at playing, though, thanks. 

Please understand that for many of us we do not share the same automotive passions. Some of us really, really dislike certain high end luxury cars.

Worst thing that could happen would be for Cheers and gears to become an automotive "safe space" where we do not criticize certain vehicles.

Ask us our honest opinion....and we are likely to respond. Wasn't it Tolstoy who said that happy families are all the same and boring, unhappy families are all different and interesting?

We are unhappy, interesting, and cranky....one of the things I actually like about the place...

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7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Please understand that for many of us we do not share the same automotive passions. Some of us really, really dislike certain high end luxury cars.

Worst thing that could happen would be for Cheers and gears to become an automotive "safe space" where we do not criticize certain vehicles.

Ask us our honest opinion....and we are likely to respond. Wasn't it Tolstoy who said that happy families are all the same and boring, unhappy families are all different and interesting?

We are unhappy, interesting, and cranky....one of the things I actually like about the place...

 

I was asking between two specific cars for that very reason- so people would get outside of their comfort zones and think about something fresh.

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31 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

I don't recall FWD slugs (Buick) or smog-choked barges (Lincoln) being choices. Nice utter lack of attempts at playing, though, thanks. 

LOL.

1. I did answer the question at hand. I truly do prefer the S600 Guard over the Bentley, but...I prefer the older American cars over both...

2. That Lincoln, the smog choked one from the 70s, is probably LS swapped...so...it aint smog choked...

 

 

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The Buick shown here is not FWD. Leno's '55 Roadmaster has a 650 HP 572 underhood; it's no slug.
Neither of the Lincoln's shown here have any smog equipment.
 

It seems a number of people here have their 'comfort zones'… ;)

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33 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

I was asking between two specific cars for that very reason- so people would get outside of their comfort zones and think about something fresh.

Some days I think C and G should come with a warning label, like a pack of cigarettes.  Being a fan of any post 1977 Luxury car here pretty much is for better or worse an open invitation to get cut off at the knees with a chain saw.

There is outside do our comfort zone and liking cars we have zero interest in.  There are guys I know who have zero interest  in anything that is not domestic 4WD, V8, with a bed attached, and the like.  I do not expect them to suddenly like the WRX like I do, even though it is AWD, or like Miatas or something.

32 minutes ago, balthazar said:

The Buick shown here is not FWD. Leno's '55 Roadmaster has a 650 HP 572 underhood; it's no slug.
Neither of the Lincoln's shown here have any smog equipment.
 

It seems a number of people here have their 'comfort zones'… ;)

Or like what we like...I like a lot of everything, more so than most car guys.

But my general feeling or respect and affection for most modern luxury cars runs somewhere between spinal meningitis and being bitten by a rabid dog.

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Sorry fur hijacking the thread, honestly, I find my inability to imagine just too strong to actually go through with the traditional: "If I had the money and had to pick between X and Y"

 

I guess if I absolutely must, then I'd get the Mercedes. But only just. But yeah, Frisky, feel free to think that

WE'RE ALL LAME....

SO LAME....

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1 hour ago, Suaviloquent said:

Sorry fur hijacking the thread, honestly, I find my inability to imagine just too strong to actually go through with the traditional: "If I had the money and had to pick between X and Y"

 

I guess if I absolutely must, then I'd get the Mercedes. But only just. But yeah, Frisky, feel free to think that

WE'RE ALL LAME....

SO LAME....

One could almost rip off the song Your So Vain and change the words to your so lame...

But then again, back when Your so Vain was written, luxury cars had unique style that changed on a regular basis. Methinks Olds and Balthazar might have valid points.

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Not my favorite class of car, but given the choice i would go for the Bentley.  The Benz looks as chunky around the middle as i have become haha. 

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13 hours ago, balthazar said:

The Buick shown here is not FWD. Leno's '55 Roadmaster has a 650 HP 572 underhood; it's no slug.
Neither of the Lincoln's shown here have any smog equipment.
 

It seems a number of people here have their 'comfort zones'… ;)

 

The Buick Cascada mentioned earlier is indeed FWD.

 

I mistakenly thought the Lincoln Olds posted was a Mark IV, but it is a Mark III. I stand correct there. 

 

And it's not that those cars aren't within my comfort zone, just that they aren't included in the thread's premise. I do plenty of other threads with rather loose rules that allow such picks.

 

 

13 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Some days I think C and G should come with a warning label, like a pack of cigarettes.  Being a fan of any post 1977 Luxury car here pretty much is for better or worse an open invitation to get cut off at the knees with a chain saw.

There is outside do our comfort zone and liking cars we have zero interest in.  There are guys I know who have zero interest  in anything that is not domestic 4WD, V8, with a bed attached, and the like.  I do not expect them to suddenly like the WRX like I do, even though it is AWD, or like Miatas or something.

Or like what we like...I like a lot of everything, more so than most car guys.

But my general feeling or respect and affection for most modern luxury cars runs somewhere between spinal meningitis and being bitten by a rabid dog.

 

I personally absolutely detest the Malaise Era of Domestic cars.

 

Why don't you like modern luxury cars?

 

11 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

Sorry fur hijacking the thread, honestly, I find my inability to imagine just too strong to actually go through with the traditional: "If I had the money and had to pick between X and Y"

 

I guess if I absolutely must, then I'd get the Mercedes. But only just. But yeah, Frisky, feel free to think that

WE'RE ALL LAME....

SO LAME....

 

Thank you. See that wasn't hard, was it? :AH-HA:

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This is fairly tough and that's only because of the name "Bentley". I think the S Cab. looks fan-freakin-tastic and I'm not much of a 'vert fan. My first instinct was to go the AMG route so I'll just stick to that instinct. I LOVE how AMG's sound and their subtle looks will leave them underrated. I'll fly under the radar in an S63 Cab.

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Why don't you like modern luxury cars?

Too plasticy, too small & too homogenized. And too commonplace.
A luxury car should be distinctive, detailed and rare (among the other 'givens'). 

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2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

Why don't you like modern luxury cars?

I find pretty much zero of them attractive for one thing.  I kind of like the side profile of the Lexus IS series and the Acura sedans, but that is about it. I do like the Jag styling, and Maserati has a few high points.

Changing my remark earlier about finding the ATS more attractive than the Cayman also...been thinking hard about that one. Kind of liked Cadillac design language at first, but it is getting old and wearing thin on me....this from a guy that still likes some malaise era cars!

Driving dynamics are another thing, I really prefer a sportier more involved driving experience.  Will put up with some of the Cadillac quirks for a CTS-V series driving experience, but the car leaves me still a little cold in terms of personally wanting it in my garage.

I actually do like the E36 and E46 series BMW cars, but I kind of feel BMW has lost their way.

Did not mean to hijack the thread....I actually kind of feel rather bad that I do not like some of the cars you bring me....sort of like someone baking you a birthday cake and then they ask you honestly if you like chocolate and you feel like you have to be honest and say "no."

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

 

 

Too plasticy, too small & too homogenized. And too commonplace.
A luxury car should be distinctive, detailed and rare (among the other 'givens'). 

Agreed...we can be stylin in our 64 Pontiacs, and the rest of the world can think we are insane....but would rather be out of my mind with a 64 Pontiac than sane and driving a Bentley....

2 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

Thank you. See that wasn't hard, was it? :AH-HA:

No, not really....but would still prefer Broccoli to Bentley....will be a good boy and eat my broccoli....

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Okay, so if the thread parameters would have permitted say, any other luxury vert as a third choice, of approximately the same price range of unaffordable to quadruple reverse mortgage class, I would get some form of Aston Martin Vert, if they exist.

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@A Horse With No Name & @balthazar

 

I wholeheartedly understand preferring the styling of a different generation, but I have to highly question many of the things you are mentioning as slights against the newer cars.

 

Do you all really mean to tell me you think cars of this ilk have more plastic than cars from the 70's? Or that the materials as a whole aren't miles better? Or that is inferior in detailing?

 

Have you guys sat in cars like these? Because I've been in both, and while I unabashedly love old Cadillacs, Lincolns, and the like- especially the Continental and big Pontiacs- today's luxury cars are on a whole different level. The stitching, the leather, the veneers, the switch gear. They're much further removed from the average mainstream car of today than those vehicles were back then. 

I can somewhat give you the popularity argument. They are built in greater numbers. Though with the price gap and exclusivity they still hold, I don't think that's a very large criticism. If we're focusing our discussions on a segment down- 5 Series and the like, I certainly think there is more merit to you guys' stance then. But at the highest level of luxury cars, I feel they are great as they've ever been, and possibly even will be.

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