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Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 

Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,.......... 🤔

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I just thought of another reason why Im not really into this "IQ" naming scheme.     Hyundai has it going with Ioniq.   *SIGH*         

Isn't it ironiq, Cadillac, once the undisputed Standard Of The World, following HYUNDAI in a naming scheme convention.  And now Hyundai will pollute the world with a dysfunctional family of moroniq IO

@Robert Hall @balthazar As per the comment from all things EV hater @ocnblu stated about this icing up and not able to open up in winter, I disagree. Clearly GM / Cadillac took the automati

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Probably EST since Detroit is in EST. Didn't GM do something like this before with a reveal announcement, a time without a timezone? 

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2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Probably EST since Detroit is in EST. Didn't GM do something like this before with a reveal announcement, a time without a timezone? 

Yes, it was the corvette reveal that they did not state the time zone for and had people upset.

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Latest sneak peek of the charging area on this upcoming EV.

 

 

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What a dumb idea for the charge port cover.  Can you say... DAMAGE/FAILURE MAGNET?

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18 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I wonder if that's a power panel, or manual.

Hopefully power and controlled by a phone app...that would be slick.

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It's exactly where mud, snow and ice get thrown up by the wheels, depending on the seasons... in the real world.

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30 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

It's exactly where mud, snow and ice get thrown up by the wheels, depending on the seasons... in the real world.

Which is why one would drive with it closed..presumably it seals..not really different from how the Bristol had a spare tire compartment on one side and a battery compartment on the other side of the front fenders...

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Hopefully power and controlled by a phone app...that would be slick.

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

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4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

With EVs a lot of things are moving to phone apps though.(like with the Model 3)...I could see the fob also, though.  

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

For less techy people I can understand your view point. Like the Cadillac ELR, it was a button on the fob that would pop open the sealed charging port. 

I would expect that here too but also GM has already stated with their new Nervous system that is more powerful than many super computers, over air updates with complete Phone App control of your auto.

I expect you to be able to program based on what GM has already stated the auto to handle all 4 seasons. You can set or choose if you need heat, AC, Heated seats or cooled as well as heated steering wheel, etc.

The future is phone apps to customize your EV for the region you live in.

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For you less techy people; it’s not a button; it’s a proximity signal. Fob is on your person, you press the emblem and the panel opens electrically. 
No fumbling with your phone/ access code/ finding-opening an app. Progress should mean faster, not slower.

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4 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Which is why one would drive with it closed..presumably it seals..not really different from how the Bristol had a spare tire compartment on one side and a battery compartment on the other side of the front fenders...

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

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5 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

One would assume they have tested for this since that seems a logical QA test case in development be it an auto or any other product.

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Tsk  Tsk  Tsk

The charging panel  is on the side of the car.  Gravity and physics takes care of the sides of the car...for the snow part of your argument

Piston Slap: When to Step Away from the Drawing Board? REVISITED - The  Truth About Cars

THAT above, is a lot of snow, woudnt you say?  Its a hefty snowfall.  Just brush it off. The top of the car is more work anyway....  If it snows more than that, and the WHOLE car is covered,

7 Things To Do When Your Car is Stuck in Snow - Les Schwab

Winter storm Nemo: Deadly blizzard dumps feet of snow across East Coast  trapping drivers with seven dead | Daily Mail Online

Id say your job of getting your car out of THAT mess is a tad more grueling than just lightly brushing off a few flakes in a normal snowfall...  Id say, in a snowstorm like that, the LEAST of your problems is a charging door buried in snow... The whole phoquing car is buried.  You need a phoquing shovel to clear a path for your car to be able to drive off.  But then again, the Lyriq is an CUV. AWD...   (laughing at the irony and sarcasm) 

Same with ice.  If there is an ice storm, getting your windows clear of ice is more of a concern...

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and Im sure that the motors of that sliding panel, kinda like a van/mini-van,  will break off the ice as the mechanism will probably make the panel detach itself popping up forward, cracking the ice, then sliding back.  Unless of course its a real ice storm and the ice is 2-3-4  millimeters thick.  THAT is a lot of ice accumulation and it does happen from time to time.  At least in Montreal it does.  But then again...what may happen next as you drive on your merry way may be more of a concern then a charging door panel not being able to open from ice accumulation...

As far as mud goes...and snow accumulation...

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Yes. Yes...  cars DO get dirty from time to time.   A good wash does a car good from time to time. 

The ONLY problem I sees though, and Im actually agreeing with your concerns...is this scenario.  And a scenario of which many EV lovers LOVE to flaunt. Is that charging is done at home. SHOULD be done at home...

Driving electric cars in winter: tips from experienced owner

 

NOT an ideal situation...  

So your post is somewhat legit...

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I do see ice as a potential problem, is it is on Teslas with their stupid door handles..I've read of them freezing and not popping out.   But with any expensive EV, it should be inside in a garage..wouldn't have one if it had to be parked outside.

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Would be SO simple to run a mild, low voltage heating element around the perimeter if testing showed that would be a possible scenario.
Tesla should have already done that, but they're not really a luxury product.

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1 minute ago, balthazar said:

Would be SO simple to run a mild, low voltage heating element around the perimeter if testing showed that would be a possible scenario.
Tesla should have already done that, but they're not really a luxury product.

Or just use normal door handles instead of gimmicky garbage.    

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I can understand the flush handles WRT aerodynamics (where apparently every 0.0001% is worthy of pursuit)... but what's laughable to me is the actual operation.

1. you push the handle inward (Model S)
2. you pull your hand back
3. the handle extends
4. you extend your hand, grip the handle, pull the handle and pull the door open.

The door would already be open at step 2 for any other vehicle.

One of the hallmarks of 'Luxury' is LESS effort, not more. That's where the 'gimmickry' comes in.

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10 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

That is no different than an ICE auto especially during say a NJ or Texas ICE Storm and you have no access without chipping at the gas lid to get it open when you are out of gas and need to fill cause you did not fill it up the night before. Yes in places of harder winter weather there will always be challanges for EV or ICE. After all, if you get water in the tank you ICE Auto is not going to run very well a problem you never have to worry about with EV's.

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EV versus ICE Auto Revelations:

  1. REVELATION - ICE owners say they do not have range anxiety because of the sheer number of gas stations across the US. Even on some of the longest stretches of road you still can find a gas station within 150 miles of each other. Example is the I70 in Utah, one of the longest stretches of highway without gas service, 110 miles. On average, AAA states you can find a gas station every 50 miles in the US. If the gas stations also included EV chargers like what is happening in Europe, Fast DC chargers, an EV with even only a range of 100 miles could easily do a road trip, Sadly the gas industry has fought this as it would have disrupted the auto industry decades ago. Tesla has supercharging stations within 150 miles of 99% of the US Population and the Tesla's have far greater range than 100 miles.
  2. REVELATION - If you forget to fill up with gas, you in no better situation than an EV owner who forgot to plug in the night before at home and ends up leaving home in the morning with minimal charge. More than a CENTURY LATER, we still have people running out of gas all the time on the side of the road. So this is about Planning that is NOT attributable to the auto's range performance in any way. Range anxiety only happens when your on a road, 80 miles from the closest gas station or charging station and you only have 20 miles left of charge or gas. That is bad planning, even that excuse is no longer valid due to the number of Charging Stations including Tesla charge points available on all major highways. Statista says the US has 24,807 official charging stations as of March 3rd 2020 with 78,544 Charging outlets. This is also supported by our own U.S. Department of Energy. https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_stations.html   https://www.statista.com/statistics/416750/number-of-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-outlets-united-states/image.png We also have other source sites that break this data down for those of us that do not pay for the detailed access and publish it such as Electrek on how the stations break down across states. https://muchneeded.com/electric-vehicle-charging-network-statistics/image.png We also have options on how we charge which can be done so easily when we plan. image.png
  3. REVELATION - IEA matches pretty much what Europe and Asia have stated that EV's / Plug-in Hybrids will rich critical mass by 2030 due to regulations and consumer preference in how ICE declines and EV's become the new standard. EV's cut CO2 emissions by Half even when you take into account Electricity produced by dirty energy means, AKA Coal, battery production compared to ICE auto's. Healthier air for all to breath and less noise pollution.  https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2019
  4. Both Statistica and IBIS world report that the US has approximately 150,000 gas stations. Unable to get specific number as I do not have paid membership to either so can only go by their high level quote about their own report. Statistica says as of 2018 we have 273.6 million registered auto's. As such that means we have 1 gas station for every 1,824 auto's registered. Compared to the current 3,283,200 EV / PHEV auto's registered in the US. This would equate to 1 charging station for every 132 EV auto's. This would imply that it is easier to find a charging station than a gas station. So this cearly shows a 1 to 1,824 ratio for ICE and 1 to 132 ratio for EV.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicles-in-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/topics/4421/the-us-electric-vehicle-industry/
  5. REVELATION - The median average range of an ICE auto is 412 miles which means that half of the auto's on the road cannot go 400 miles on a full tank of gas. This shows how impressive a 300 mile battery pack is for an EV.

So what does all this mean? We are very close to a tipping point for the majority of auto buyers where ICE / gas will no longer be the pull one would expect and folks will be giving up their old way of thinking about range anxiety, charging stations concerns, stuck on the road with no power. After all AAA now comes to you with either gas or a charge to get you to the next station.

Over all while most people do not really need 300 miles of range, we are at that point where people are not going to think about it and will just go with the low cost maintenance appliance to get from point A to B and back.

Are we there yet? No but we will be in the next 5 years.

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22 hours ago, balthazar said:

Not unless EV prices crater. There is no ‘tipping point’ where people spending an average of $35K are suddenly going to be able to afford $75K.

Yes reality is complex and prices are high as most people focus on them, but there are EV options that cost less, but people want everything, they want all the bells and whistles as to why it seems humanity ignores the lower priced options.

2020 starting prices of on sale EVs from Edmunds. Prices before rebates

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/cheapest-electric-cars/

  • 2020 Mini Cooper SW - $30,750
  • 2020 Nissan Leaf - $32,535 
  • 2020 Hyundai Ioniq - $34,000
  • 2020 Chevrolet Bolt - $37,495
  • 2020 Tesla Model 3 - $41,190
  • 2019 BMW i3 - $45,445
  • 2020 Jaguar i-Pace - $70,875

Plug-in Hybrids

  • 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in  - $26,300
  • 2020 Toyota Prius Prime - $28,555
  • 2020 Kia Niro Plug-in - $30,610
  • 2020 Subaru Crosstek Plug-in - $36,155

These are the cheapest starting prices for the models and there are still more but not covering the higher priced models here.

Edmunds did a good job for those looking for an EV.

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14 hours ago, David said:

Edmunds did a good job for those looking for an EV.

One statue in the PNW

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      Cadillac hasn't released any power figures on the Lyriq, only saying that it will offer two drivetrain versions; rear-wheel drive with a single electric motor and all-wheel drive with two electric motors. A new modular platform for electric vehicles promises a low-center of gravity and a near 50/50 weight distribution for the all-wheel drive version. Range is targeted at over 300 miles. Cadillac says the production model will offer DC fast charging.
      Source: Cadillac
      Press Release is on Page 2


      LYRIQ Show Car Leads Cadillac Into Electric Future
      The brand’s first all-electric vehicle introduces a new era in luxury, technology and zero-tailpipe-emissions performance Cadillac’s introduction of its electric portfolio begins today with the debut of the LYRIQ show car — a dynamic, modern and fully electric luxury crossover. 
      The propulsion system and supporting technologies position Cadillac to be a leader in electrification, connectivity and automated driving, all delivered with thrilling performance and a new threshold in technology integration.
      “Led by LYRIQ, Cadillac will redefine American luxury over the next decade with a new portfolio of transformative EVs,” said Steve Carlisle, executive vice president and president, GM North America. “We will deliver experiences that engage the senses, anticipate desires and enable our customers to go on extraordinary journeys.”
      The LYRIQ is based on GM’s next-generation, modular electric vehicle platform and driven by the Ultium propulsion system, allowing Cadillac to deliver customers a variety of range and performance options. With range being one of the biggest factors when it comes to selecting an EV, we’re designing LYRIQ to offer beyond 300 miles of range on a full charge, based on internal testing1. Performance and technology highlights include:
      Charging options that fit a variety of preferences for home, the workplace and on the road — including DC fast charging rates over 150 kilowatts and Level 2 charging rates up to 19 kW2. Rear-wheel drive and performance all-wheel drive configurations. The latest version of Super Cruise3, the industry’s first truly hands-free driver assistance feature, available on more than 200,000 miles of compatible highways and recently enhanced to include automated lane change. New technologies such as dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display and remote self-parking. The brand’s most seamless and adaptive technology interaction with the driver and passengers, including the latest Cadillac user experience, which is showcased in a 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED screen the spans the entire viewing area of the driver. “LYRIQ was conceived to make every journey exhilarating and leverages more than a century of innovation to drive the brand into a new era, while rewarding passengers with a more personal, connected and immersive experience,” said Jamie Brewer, Cadillac LYRIQ chief engineer. “To do this we developed an architecture specifically for EVs.  It is not only an exceptional EV, but first and foremost a Cadillac.”
      LIBERATING PERFORMANCE
      Some luxury EVs today feature adapted traditional internal combustion engine architecture, that is not the case with LYRIQ. Cadillac’s all-new, modular EV platform on which the LYRIQ is based is the foundation for its liberating performance. With a dedicated EV architecture, its design eliminates significant physical constraints associated with adapting electric propulsion within a conventional vehicle architecture, for an optimized design that supports greater driving range, an engaging driving experience and a new interpretation of passenger space.
      Within the LYRIQ, the Ultium battery system is a structural element of the architecture, integrated in ways that contribute to ride and handling, as well as safety. In fact, the lower center of gravity and near 50/50 weight distribution enabled by the placement of the battery pack results in a vehicle that’s sporty, responsive and allows for spirited driving.
      Additionally, the LYRIQ is driven primarily by the rear wheels, with a performance all-wheel drive option available. The placement of the drive motor at the rear of the vehicle contributes an even greater feeling of balance and agility — attributes that affirm Cadillac’s longstanding commitment to satisfying performance. It also enables the system to channel more torque to the pavement without wheelspin for exhilarating acceleration and greater cornering capability. Vehicles equipped with performance all-wheel drive go a step further, with a second drive unit placed at the front of the vehicle, which allows for a significant amount of tuning flexibility, enhancing vehicle dynamics and performance for drivers.
      ALL-NEW ULTIUM BATTERY SYSTEM
      The Cadillac LYRIQ is powered by GM’s new Ultium battery system, which offers approximately 100 kilowatt-hours of energy to deliver stirring performance.
      Ultium’s state-of-the-art NCMA (nickel-cobalt-manganese-aluminum) chemistry uses aluminum in the cathode to help reduce the need for rare-earth materials such as cobalt. In fact, GM engineers reduced the cobalt content by more than 70 percent, compared to current GM batteries.
      The advanced battery chemistry is packed in large, flat pouch cells that enable smart module construction to reduce complexity and simplify cooling needs. Additionally, the battery electronics are incorporated directly into the modules, eliminating nearly 90 percent of the battery pack wiring, compared to GM’s current electric vehicles. 
      When it comes to charging, LYRIQ offers quick and convenient charging options whether at home or on the go. With DC fast charging, the LYRIQ can charge at rates over 150 kW. 
      ARTFULLY INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY
      Envisioned to make interaction with its technologies more intuitive and rewarding, the LYRIQ’s partnership with the driver and passengers is simultaneously energizing and artful.
      Upon approach, the LYRIQ recognizes the driver and initiates a “greeting” with a choreographed lighting sequence, while also preparing the cabin for the journey, including seat, mirror and climate system adjustments. Once inside, the LYRIQ offers Cadillac’s highest level of driver information, infotainment and connectivity integration, for a more seamless and rewarding experience.
      A 33-inch-diagonal advanced LED display artfully integrates a single, large screen that spans the viewing area for the driver and incorporates driver information details, infotainment controls and camera views. This new display has the highest pixel density available in the automotive industry today and can display over one billion colors, 64 times more than any other vehicle in the automotive industry, providing a stunning in-vehicle experience unlike anything seen before from Cadillac.
      Additional technology and interactive highlights include:
      Battery and charging monitoring conveyed by easy, at-a-glance graphics. The system identifies the vehicle’s energy needs at home and on the go, according to owner preferences, while also monitoring and forecasting energy consumption and providing charging suggestions. New dual-plane augmented reality-enhanced head-up display employs two planes: a near plane indicating speed, direction and more, and a far plane displaying transparent navigation signals and other important alerts. The latest version of Super Cruise, the hands-free driver assistance feature, including automated lane change.3 Supervised remote parking that uses ultrasonic sensors to help the LYRIQ park itself in parallel or perpendicular parking spaces — whether the driver is inside or outside of the vehicle.4 SENSE OF SOUND
      LYRIQ’s technology also addresses sound in two important ways: Blocking unwanted sounds and making the most of the sounds passengers want to hear.
      For the first time, Cadillac will introduce a new road noise cancellation technology, which takes active noise cancellation to the next level by introducing more microphones and accelerometers, which improve noise cancellation abilities. With this new system, Cadillac’s performance and audio engineers can target the frequency range of tire cavity noise, reducing the noise level in the vehicle and allowing for a quieter in-cabin experience.
      The Cadillac LYRIQ builds on the brand’s exclusive partnership with AKG. “With LYRIQ we wanted to deliver a sound experience that would transport the driver from a vehicle into a recording studio,” said Hussein Khalil, Cadillac lead audio design release engineer. “With the AKG sound system, we are able to deliver this experience along with the quality and reliability luxury customers expect.”
      At launch, LYRIQ will offer a 19-speaker AKG Studio audio system that delivers exceptionally crisp and precise sound reproduction, enabling drivers and passengers to enjoy their favorite music.
      NEW FACE OF CADILLAC
      Cadillac’s first electric SUV makes a bold design statement that introduces a new face, proportion and presence for the brand’s new generation of EVs. It’s a forward-looking vision unconstrained by the needs of a traditional internal combustion engine and driveline.
      “The LYRIQ represents the next iteration of the iconic brand’s styling, enabled by electrification, as only Cadillac can express,” said Andrew Smith, executive director, Global Cadillac Design. “Inside and out, LYRIQ is a thoughtful integration of design and technology and is intended to make every drive an occasion.”
      Defined by taut lines and clean surfaces, LYRIQ is assertive and modern, characterized with a low, fast roofline and wide stance that emphasize agility and convey confidence. Additional details such as a flow-through roof spoiler express the careful attention paid to aerodynamics to optimize efficiency on the highway.
      A distinctive “black crystal” grille in the front is one of the LYRIQ’s most unique and expressive design elements. It is also a dynamic feature, as it is part of a dramatic lighting choreography that — along with bold vertical, slim LED signature lighting — greets the owner upon approach. At the rear, a split taillamp design incorporates slim LEDs that are also integrated into the lighting choreography.
      Inside, the LYRIQ’s new electric vehicle architecture opens up possibilities in vehicle spaciousness and design; and Cadillac designers used this as an opportunity to rethink how to use the space and where to locate various interior elements.
      The result is a more airy, minimalistic design that does more to involve the driver and passengers in the driving experience while offering exceptional functionality when it comes to storage solutions. It is also brimming with subtle yet obsessive details such as backlit speaker grilles, curved screens with hidden storage and, like the exterior, orchestrated lighting features.
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