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Cadillac division sent out this email saying that the Cadillac Lyriq reveal will be August 6th 2020 @ 7PM. 

Now the interesting part is what time zone? EST, MST, PST,..........¬†ūü§Ē

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Probably EST since Detroit is in EST. Didn't GM do something like this before with a reveal announcement, a time without a timezone? 

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2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Probably EST since Detroit is in EST. Didn't GM do something like this before with a reveal announcement, a time without a timezone? 

Yes, it was the corvette reveal that they did not state the time zone for and had people upset.

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Latest sneak peek of the charging area on this upcoming EV.

 

 

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What a dumb idea for the charge port cover.  Can you say... DAMAGE/FAILURE MAGNET?

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18 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I wonder if that's a power panel, or manual.

Hopefully power and controlled by a phone app...that would be slick.

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It's exactly where mud, snow and ice get thrown up by the wheels, depending on the seasons... in the real world.

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30 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

It's exactly where mud, snow and ice get thrown up by the wheels, depending on the seasons... in the real world.

Which is why one would drive with it closed..presumably it seals..not really different from how the Bristol had a spare tire compartment on one side and a battery compartment on the other side of the front fenders...

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Hopefully power and controlled by a phone app...that would be slick.

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

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4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

With EVs a lot of things are moving to phone apps though.(like with the Model 3)...I could see the fob also, though.  

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

Needlessly stupid.
Should be enabled by the fob - press the Crest and it opens like the doors do.

For less techy people I can understand your view point. Like the Cadillac ELR, it was a button on the fob that would pop open the sealed charging port. 

I would expect that here too but also GM has already stated with their new Nervous system that is more powerful than many super computers, over air updates with complete Phone App control of your auto.

I expect you to be able to program based on what GM has already stated the auto to handle all 4 seasons. You can set or choose if you need heat, AC, Heated seats or cooled as well as heated steering wheel, etc.

The future is phone apps to customize your EV for the region you live in.

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For you less techy people; it’s not a button; it’s a proximity signal. Fob is on your person, you press the emblem and the panel opens electrically. 
No fumbling with your phone/ access code/ finding-opening an app. Progress should mean faster, not slower.

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4 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Which is why one would drive with it closed..presumably it seals..not really different from how the Bristol had a spare tire compartment on one side and a battery compartment on the other side of the front fenders...

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

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5 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

One would assume they have tested for this since that seems a logical QA test case in development be it an auto or any other product.

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@ocnblu

Tsk  Tsk  Tsk

The charging panel  is on the side of the car.  Gravity and physics takes care of the sides of the car...for the snow part of your argument

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THAT above, is a lot of snow, woudnt you say?  Its a hefty snowfall.  Just brush it off. The top of the car is more work anyway....  If it snows more than that, and the WHOLE car is covered,

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Id say your job of getting your car out of THAT mess is a tad more grueling than just lightly brushing off a few flakes in a normal snowfall...  Id say, in a snowstorm like that, the LEAST of your problems is a charging door buried in snow... The whole phoquing car is buried.  You need a phoquing shovel to clear a path for your car to be able to drive off.  But then again, the Lyriq is an CUV. AWD...   (laughing at the irony and sarcasm) 

Same with ice.  If there is an ice storm, getting your windows clear of ice is more of a concern...

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and Im sure that the motors of that sliding panel, kinda like a van/mini-van,  will break off the ice as the mechanism will probably make the panel detach itself popping up forward, cracking the ice, then sliding back.  Unless of course its a real ice storm and the ice is 2-3-4  millimeters thick.  THAT is a lot of ice accumulation and it does happen from time to time.  At least in Montreal it does.  But then again...what may happen next as you drive on your merry way may be more of a concern then a charging door panel not being able to open from ice accumulation...

As far as mud goes...and snow accumulation...

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Yes. Yes...  cars DO get dirty from time to time.   A good wash does a car good from time to time. 

The ONLY problem I sees though, and Im actually agreeing with your concerns...is this scenario.  And a scenario of which many EV lovers LOVE to flaunt. Is that charging is done at home. SHOULD be done at home...

Driving electric cars in winter: tips from experienced owner

 

NOT an ideal situation...  

So your post is somewhat legit...

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I do see ice as a potential problem, is it is on Teslas with their stupid door handles..I've read of them freezing and not popping out.   But with any expensive EV, it should be inside in a garage..wouldn't have one if it had to be parked outside.

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Would be SO simple to run a mild, low voltage heating element around the perimeter if testing showed that would be a possible scenario.
Tesla should have already done that, but they're not really a luxury product.

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1 minute ago, balthazar said:

Would be SO simple to run a mild, low voltage heating element around the perimeter if testing showed that would be a possible scenario.
Tesla should have already done that, but they're not really a luxury product.

Or just use normal door handles instead of gimmicky garbage.    

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I can understand the flush handles WRT aerodynamics (where apparently every 0.0001% is worthy of pursuit)... but what's laughable to me is the actual operation.

1. you push the handle inward (Model S)
2. you pull your hand back
3. the handle extends
4. you extend your hand, grip the handle, pull the handle and pull the door open.

The door would already be open at step 2 for any other vehicle.

One of the hallmarks of 'Luxury' is LESS effort, not more. That's where the 'gimmickry' comes in.

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10 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Tsk... not talking about driving with it open.  I am talking about operating it after ice, snow, mud, etc. is on it.

That is no different than an ICE auto especially during say a NJ or Texas ICE Storm and you have no access without chipping at the gas lid to get it open when you are out of gas and need to fill cause you did not fill it up the night before. Yes in places of harder winter weather there will always be challanges for EV or ICE. After all, if you get water in the tank you ICE Auto is not going to run very well a problem you never have to worry about with EV's.

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EV versus ICE Auto Revelations:

  1. REVELATION - ICE owners say they do not have range anxiety because of the sheer number of gas stations across the US. Even on some of the longest stretches of road you still can find a gas station within 150 miles of each other. Example is the I70 in Utah, one of the longest stretches of highway without gas service, 110 miles. On average, AAA states you can find a gas station every 50 miles in the US. If the gas stations also included EV chargers like what is happening in Europe, Fast DC chargers, an EV with even only a range of 100 miles could easily do a road trip, Sadly the gas industry has fought this as it would have disrupted the auto industry decades ago. Tesla has supercharging stations within 150 miles of 99% of the US Population and the Tesla's have far greater range than 100 miles.
  2. REVELATION - If you forget to fill up with gas, you in no better situation than an EV owner who forgot to plug in the night before at home and ends up leaving home in the morning with minimal charge. More than a CENTURY LATER, we still have people running out of gas all the time on the side of the road. So this is about Planning that is NOT attributable to the auto's range performance in any way. Range anxiety only happens when your on a road, 80 miles from the closest gas station or charging station and you only have 20 miles left of charge or gas. That is bad planning, even that excuse is no longer valid due to the number of Charging Stations including Tesla charge points available on all major highways. Statista says the US has 24,807 official charging stations as of March 3rd 2020 with 78,544 Charging outlets. This is also supported by our own U.S. Department of Energy. https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_stations.html   https://www.statista.com/statistics/416750/number-of-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-outlets-united-states/image.png We also have other source sites that break this data down for those of us that do not pay for the detailed access and publish it such as Electrek on how the stations break down across states. https://muchneeded.com/electric-vehicle-charging-network-statistics/image.png We also have options on how we charge which can be done so easily when we plan. image.png
  3. REVELATION - IEA matches pretty much what Europe and Asia have stated that EV's / Plug-in Hybrids will rich critical mass by 2030 due to regulations and consumer preference in how ICE declines and EV's become the new standard. EV's cut CO2 emissions by Half even when you take into account Electricity produced by dirty energy means, AKA Coal, battery production compared to ICE auto's. Healthier air for all to breath and less noise pollution.  https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2019
  4. Both Statistica and IBIS world report that the US has approximately 150,000 gas stations. Unable to get specific number as I do not have paid membership to either so can only go by their high level quote about their own report. Statistica says as of 2018 we have 273.6 million registered auto's. As such that means we have 1 gas station for every 1,824 auto's registered. Compared to the current 3,283,200 EV / PHEV auto's registered in the US. This would equate to 1 charging station for every 132 EV auto's. This would imply that it is easier to find a charging station than a gas station. So this cearly shows a 1 to 1,824 ratio for ICE and 1 to 132 ratio for EV.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicles-in-the-united-states-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/topics/4421/the-us-electric-vehicle-industry/
  5. REVELATION - The median average range of an ICE auto is 412 miles which means that half of the auto's on the road cannot go 400 miles on a full tank of gas. This shows how impressive a 300 mile battery pack is for an EV.

So what does all this mean? We are very close to a tipping point for the majority of auto buyers where ICE / gas will no longer be the pull one would expect and folks will be giving up their old way of thinking about range anxiety, charging stations concerns, stuck on the road with no power. After all AAA now comes to you with either gas or a charge to get you to the next station.

Over all while most people do not really need 300 miles of range, we are at that point where people are not going to think about it and will just go with the low cost maintenance appliance to get from point A to B and back.

Are we there yet? No but we will be in the next 5 years.

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Not unless EV prices crater. There is no ‚Äėtipping point‚Äô where people spending an average of $35K are suddenly going to be able to afford $75K.

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Time to insert standard cliche cache phrase..

'Reality is complex'

'There are many things'

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22 hours ago, balthazar said:

Not unless EV prices crater. There is no ‚Äėtipping point‚Äô where people spending an average of $35K are suddenly going to be able to afford $75K.

Yes reality is complex and prices are high as most people focus on them, but there are EV options that cost less, but people want everything, they want all the bells and whistles as to why it seems humanity ignores the lower priced options.

2020 starting prices of on sale EVs from Edmunds. Prices before rebates

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/cheapest-electric-cars/

  • 2020 Mini Cooper SW - $30,750
  • 2020 Nissan Leaf - $32,535¬†
  • 2020 Hyundai Ioniq - $34,000
  • 2020 Chevrolet Bolt - $37,495
  • 2020 Tesla Model 3 - $41,190
  • 2019 BMW i3 - $45,445
  • 2020 Jaguar i-Pace - $70,875

Plug-in Hybrids

  • 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in¬† - $26,300
  • 2020 Toyota Prius Prime - $28,555
  • 2020 Kia Niro Plug-in - $30,610
  • 2020 Subaru Crosstek Plug-in - $36,155

These are the cheapest starting prices for the models and there are still more but not covering the higher priced models here.

Edmunds did a good job for those looking for an EV.

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14 hours ago, David said:

Edmunds did a good job for those looking for an EV.

One statue in the PNW

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      "Nissan was a pioneer in the world of mass-market electric vehicles a decade ago with LEAF, setting the standard for affordable, mass-market electric vehicles. We expect nothing less for the new Nissan Ariya," said Gupta. "While the driving exhilaration of its acceleration and torque levels is undeniable, the Ariya offers balanced, customer-centric technology that is perfect for everyday use."
      Nissan Ariya Key Specifications
      Passenger configuration
      2-row, 5-passenger
      Drive configuration
      Front-wheel drive or e-4ORCE all-wheel drive
      Platform
      Newly developed Alliance CMF-EV
      Powertrain
      Single (FWD) / dual (e-4ORCE AWD) electric motor, Externally Excited Synchronous Motor (EESM)
      Battery capacity
      63 kWh / 87 kWh usable (total 65 kWh / 90 kWh)
      Thermal management
      Active battery management system
      Estimated range
      Up to approximately 300 miles (preliminary Nissan estimate)
      Level 2 charging
      Up to 7.2 kW
      DC charging type
      CCS standard up to 130 kW
      Output
      160 kW ‚Äď 290 kW
      Torque
      221 lb-ft ‚Äď 443 lb-ft
      Wheelbase
      109.3 in.
      Overall length
      182.9 in.
      Overall width
      74.8 in.
      Overall height
      65.4 in. ‚Äď 65.7 (depending on roof rack)
      Cargo volume
      16.5 cu ft (FWD)
      14.6 (e-4ORCE)
      Wheel size
      19-inch or 20-inch
      Tire size
      235/55R19 or 255/45R20
      Available interior features
      Lounge-like space created by flat, open floor and slim-profile Zero Gravity seats; large, minimalist instrument panel with integrated capacitive haptic switches; innovative center storage box with fold-out tray, adjustable center console
      Available Advanced Driver Assist (ADAS) Technology
      ProPILOT Assist 2.0 featuring hands-off highway operation with Driver Monitoring System
      Available safety technology
      Nissan Safety Shield¬ģ 360 with Automatic Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Detection, Blind Spot Warning, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Lane Departure Warning, High Beam Assist and Rear Automatic Braking
      Model configurations
      Ariya standard and long range (FWD)
      Ariya standard range e-4ORCE and long range e-4ORCE (AWD)
      * NOTE: All specifications are as of July 2020 and are subject to homologation. Model names, features and specifications may vary by market. Subject to final validation.
    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      ‚ÄúThis is our most extensive update we‚Äôve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we‚Äôve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,‚Ä̬†¬†said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2

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    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      ‚ÄúThis is our most extensive update we‚Äôve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we‚Äôve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,‚Ä̬†¬†said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2
    • By David
      NEURON EV

      CES 2020 has been a busy place this year with more auto companies showing of prototypes and finally production ready auto's than ever before. We have seen so much including the latest in super dense solid state batteries for the EVs to motorcycles and bikes.
      This year we now get to see the latest competition to Tesla and Rivian in a well funded California / China based EV auto company called NEURON EV. This company has a swiss army knife of a truck/suv auto as well as a Semi truck that they say is going into production in 2020.

      The truck which is seen here in Silver has a sister truck that was running around the streets which is the following Black T-One.

      All the details you could ever want can be found here on this truck: https://www.neuronev.co/new-products/t-one-p-gyrwr
      The cool thing about this modular truck is that is can be more than a truck, a tractor, a van. there are no limits to how one can configure up this beast of an EV.

      The seat options are an interesting take as you can go like how Tesla showed their Semi with a center driving position as a base 3 seat configuration of 3 captain chairs, or a single drivers captain chair and a bench seat behind for 4 people and go from there to cover a wide range of colors, materials, etc. in customizing your auto. 
      While this company is looking at this modular truck and semi for the US, in china they will have many more auto options including their V.E.G.A. or Versatile Electric Grand Automobile.

      The company has great plans and while they have only two models for the US market, China will get many more that includes a medium duty truck, a bus, a MAP or Multipurpose Autonomous Platform focused on shipping yards, a HUB or autonomous transportation auto, in addition to the car, semi and truck.
      NEURON EV has not released any details about their hp / torque other than to say class leading at this time. Two wheel drive and All Wheel Drive will be the choices folks will have and talk of a base 300 mile range battery pack. More details are to come later this year.
      First Press release of 2020 can be found here:
      https://www.neuronev.co/01102020
      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC69MUFfq-4W8qxUWcGltBUg
       
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