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10 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The proportions of the new Carnaval look more CUVish than van..

its like the Flex and previous Explorer mated.

these two pics are from the costco trip we took with it right after we picked it up.  I still haven't driven it yet.

Kia CARNIVAL can suck it.  LOL

 

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Congrats on the new Pacifica!  That is a beautiful vehicle.  I think Chrysler (Stellantis?) did a fantastic job on the refresh.

I still love our Pacifica.  We will probably keep it one more year.  After that, the wife said she wants a pickup or an SUV. 😪 I don't get the SUV thing.  I'd much rather have this new Pacifica than any SUV.  That said, she does at least have good reasoning.  She wants to upgrade the camper to something bigger than the Pacifica can tow.  The only thing an SUV does better than a minivan in my opinion.

The crazy thing is how much more you get for your money in a minivan  An SUV with the same level of equipment as our Pacifica would be at least $10k more than ours stickered, and the actual transaction price was much lower than sticker.

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33 minutes ago, 2QuickZ's said:

Congrats on the new Pacifica!  That is a beautiful vehicle.  I think Chrysler (Stellantis?) did a fantastic job on the refresh.

I still love our Pacifica.  We will probably keep it one more year.  After that, the wife said she wants a pickup or an SUV. 😪 I don't get the SUV thing.  I'd much rather have this new Pacifica than any SUV.  That said, she does at least have good reasoning.  She wants to upgrade the camper to something bigger than the Pacifica can tow.  The only thing an SUV does better than a minivan in my opinion.

The crazy thing is how much more you get for your money in a minivan  An SUV with the same level of equipment as our Pacifica would be at least $10k more than ours stickered, and the actual transaction price was much lower than sticker.

absolutely correct about how much more $$$$ for the same 'stuff' if it were an SUV.  (and in particular GM).

Now, partially due to being a returning lessee, Chrysler had EXTRA 3,250 incentives for us, beyond all the regular incentives everyone gets.  We know GM does incentives big but I'm sorry, a little measly 1,000 dollar GM card top off incentive towards what GM has as a 45-50-60k MSRP vehicle is almost a big freaking joke.  I used our GM card first time back for our 99 Chevy Prizm, and those dollars meant something.  Really the big difference in my case here was this time around I was able to get memory seats, surround view monitor, 2 rows heated seats, heated steering wheel, full safety package, front row cooled seats, the very latest touchscreen and operating system with wireless charging, USB-C ports, wireless Apple CarPlay, power folding third row, vacuum cleaner....for less.  So part of that is because on the market, people pay less for the van compared to SUV, and some of that is due to GM poorly building trims and packages to exclude and extort.  For example, on an Enclave Essence it is near impossible to have access to a unit with surround view monitor.  Even many with premium trim do not have it.  

So we were lucky due to our situation as returning lessee to get a 53k+ sticker vehicle, written on the lease order with a purchase price of 38k and change.  And actually too the residual is low, normally you don't want that but it may actually be a good enough value at the end of the lease to purchase.  15 grand in incentives and discounts.  crazy.  

The hybrids are extremely cheap to lease now, extra incentives for hybrids. I would have except we still wanted sto n go.  Hybrid doesn't allow that.

The all wheel drive does hit the fuel economy.  So far i guess its a 12-15% drop but that is in line with the lesser epa numbers on the window sticker, AWD vs FWD.  Wife thinks it drives faster, I think it takes more gas to get it going.  Reviews say its about a 1/2 second hit on 0-60 time.  I would say that is about right.  I think the front drive or all wheel drive is good in bad weather, more dependent on the tires.  I just wanted the added traction of all wheel this time around.  I bet Chrysler will get a greater than 50% take rate on the all wheel drive across the Pacifica line this year.

the 20 inch wheels are sick looking, but what is funny.....with the added sound isolation materials on the premium trim...it's quieter but also with the 20  inchers and low profile Falken tires..and I think they've done some steering tuning....this thing is kind of fun to drive for a large rig.  the roll stiffness is definitely more compared to the 2018, and the steering is sort of quick feeling.  And the ride isn't worse...it still is sorta cushy.  There's a little less front end weight bias due to the AWD drivetrain, it feels a bit more balanced in handling, and for a boat this size, actually seems kind of fun.  The Pacifica drives nicer than many sedans out there these days.

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@2QuickZ's @regfootball And you have limited towing hauling capacity other than kids and basic stuff. Minivan cannot go off road like an SUV. Minivan cannot tow like an SUV and still haul.

10K difference if that is true is a bargain for all the added stuff the SUV can do. 

For the pinched leg room for driver / front passenger I would never get one, hard pass for me. But I do get what families love about them and respect you both. 

Remember they both have their use cases and a Minivan CANNOT do what the SUV can do.

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11 minutes ago, David said:

@2QuickZ's @regfootball And you have limited towing hauling capacity other than kids and basic stuff. Minivan cannot go off road like an SUV. Minivan cannot tow like an SUV and still haul.

10K difference if that is true is a bargain for all the added stuff the SUV can do. 

For the pinched leg room for driver / front passenger I would never get one, hard pass for me. But I do get what families love about them and respect you both. 

Remember they both have their use cases and a Minivan CANNOT do what the SUV can do.

Your talking body and frame ‘truck’  like a Tahoe. I’m talking the unibody competition which still is , as an SUV Of similar size and space, going to command more because it’s an SUV.

the large unibody SUVs don’t have much advantage in towing over  a minivan.

very few people cross shop Tahoe’s and suburban and expedition etc vs a minivan. If you’re getting a body on frame truck it’s because you want the full frame and a more usuable towing capacity.  I’ve never known anyone who’s cross shopped a truck vs a minivan. 
 

Also, no one takes a minivan or unibody suv off road. The AWD is simply a traction enhancer for these people in bad climates. True off-roaders take pickups / trucks and Jeep’s off-road. And Broncos now too. 

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43 minutes ago, David said:

@2QuickZ's @regfootball And you have limited towing hauling capacity other than kids and basic stuff. Minivan cannot go off road like an SUV. Minivan cannot tow like an SUV and still haul.

10K difference if that is true is a bargain for all the added stuff the SUV can do. 

For the pinched leg room for driver / front passenger I would never get one, hard pass for me. But I do get what families love about them and respect you both. 

Remember they both have their use cases and a Minivan CANNOT do what the SUV can do.

 

34 minutes ago, regfootball said:

Your talking body and frame ‘truck’  like a Tahoe. I’m talking the unibody competition which still is , as an SUV Of similar size and space, going to command more because it’s an SUV.

the large unibody SUVs don’t have much advantage in towing over  a minivan.

very few people cross shop Tahoe’s and suburban and expedition etc vs a minivan. If you’re getting a body on frame truck it’s because you want the full frame and a more usuable towing capacity.  I’ve never known anyone who’s cross shopped a truck vs a minivan. 
 

Also, no one takes a minivan or unibody suv off road. The AWD is simply a traction enhancer for these people in bad climates. True off-roaders take pickups / trucks and Jeep’s off-road. And Broncos now too. 

This exactly.  A Pacifica with towing package is rated for 3500 lbs.  The GMC Acadia is good for 4000 lbs.  The Traverse or Enclave go to 5000 lbs.  The Durango is the three row unibody towing champ.  It will pull 6200 lbs with the V6 and up to 8700 lbs with a V8 but it is an outlier.

As far as off roading, sure a Pacifica doesn't have the ground clearance to tackle some of the terrain an SUV can but lets be honest, how many people are actually taking their SUV off road someplace a Pacifica can't go?  I would bet it is pretty rare.  On road where it will be used 99% of the time the Pacifica (or most minivans for that matter) do everything an SUV does but better.  Just my opinion.

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I wouldn’t risk towing 5000# with a Traverse and it’s small v6 on anything more than an incidental time or two. Anyone that plans to tow -frequently- just go for the full frame model. With a v8. That will be the most durable over time. 
 

we had friends with a Honda Pilot that wanted the Honda so bad and then it was not the best for towing their boat to all the fishing tournaments. I couldn’t imagine buying that used Passport and all the strain on it. If you’re shopping used CUV’s and you see a hitch on it and in particular if you can if that person frequently towed with it often, run. Since then he’s had a ram and Nissan Titan pickup.  
 

I maybe could consider a Durango but keep in mind it’s got a Hemi available. 
 

 

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Ah, some more recent pics.  Really glad we got this when we did and we missed the big price spikes that are going on in the market now.

On a trip a couple weeks ago, we pulled 27 mpg on a couple of legs at mostly interstate 75-80 mph.  Some of it hilly and windy.  This is not bad as our fwd 18 Pacifica would occasionally get 30 or more on same trip routes.

Makes sense, the AWD of this new one of course drops the mpg about 15 percent in the sticker, and in real world its about that much as well.   Whereby the FWD would turn super low rpms sometimes on the highway, it seems the AWD required that the rpms be 300-400 rpm or more higher much of the time when driving.

I am ok with that tradeoff for being in snow country and this being the main family ride.  If I ever had this van for myself as a secondary vehicle, I may choose the FWD and lose the weight and drag......would not be easy to decide.

 

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One year VANNIVERSARY!

The odometer is less than 9,000 miles.  Boy we'll be way under on our lease....less driving in the covid era.  Actually the spouse is full home remote work now.  So our vehicles may turn out to be keepers over the long haul this time.  In one of the above posts I mentioned that the sales paper for the lease was wrote at 15 thousand under sticker, and when there was a decent supply.  If we had seriously had been two months later we would have gotten screwed.  Some of the options we have on our limited look like supply issues in the 22 models (kind of like GM, some features with limited availability).  We have the tan seats and at least when I last checked, the Limited for 22 was black seats only.  I am sure that stuff changes frequently these days.

I love this vehicle.  The v6 is so relaxed and quiet compared to the turbo four in our TourX.  And even with the MPG drop for AWD vs the previous FWD Pacifica we had, the MPG is still very good.  With gas prices on the rise, if we take trips we won't get crushed on the gas money.

Getting in and out, easy ingress and egress, for an aging human becomes more and more loved all the time.  The TourX is super low to get into, and I still love it.  But the seat comfort on the Pacifica, higher driving height, more relaxed position, the cabin width and such is appealing for those weekly errands and longer trips.  Heated seats in the first two rows and vented seats in the front, are great. This is my first vehicle with vented seats and like the power folding side mirrors, are features I never felt I needed before and now I won't want another vehicle without.  First world issues.  LOL

We've used the van to haul mulch and bricks and furniture, and we've used the Sto N Go very often so far again this time.  It's unfortunate that Sto N Go does compromise that second row seating for adults....the seats could be wider, more comfortable, and have a lower footwell to stretch the feet would be nice.  But its a perfect example of a worthwhile compromise in my book.

The harmon kardon stereo in this van is not bad.  Wayyyyyy better than the Bose 'top of the line' garbage in the TourX.  The TourX stereo is simply embarrassing.  The one in this van is pretty good.  In general the U connect system is quite good also.  Chrysler IMO has the touchscreen down better than many of the manufacturers these days.

Reliability, no issues to date except some testiness on the power rear hatch and one of the side doors occasionally.  We had I think one or two recalls on something insignificant...in fact one of those may have been on the rear hatch actually.  Must me why its worked just fine for awhile now.  Our 2018 Pacfica didn't have any issues really except towards the end of the lease it was getting hard to get gas into it.  According to Pacifica forums, that might be an issue that occurs a bit.  So far on this 21, no issues pumping gas at all.

The all wheel drive has been nice. And it is an enhancement in winter over the standard FWD but whether its nice to have vs a need is up to the opinion of each buyer.  What I will say is the van doesn't drive too much differently in the AWD vs the FWD with the extra weight and such.  If you drove them back to back, some folks may notice a difference in feel and some won't.  It really just means they did a good job making the AWD version feel consistent with the FWD version.  We did not get snow tires for it this year; with the low winter miles we may not at least for the least term depending on the wear of the factory rubber over time.

With all the fuss about the crossover market, I tend to think this vehicle that looks like a van is one of the best 3 row crossovers on the market today.  Quiet, spacious, comfortable, smooth and relaxed v6 engine.....compared with some of the crazy prices on the market today this is a good vehicle to compare to a lot of crossovers...you may find more for your money.

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