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Happy holidays, C&G people ... however you celebrate them ... and happy new year. It's always a relief when they're over, though, because life slows down back to normal and you can get to work on those new year's resolutions. *cough*

I do not doubt that. Gasoline powered cars as it seems, have problems also. The Nasa space shuttles and rockets also had problems. German WW2 tanks. Problems. Airplanes of any era...had and continue to have problems. Boats and trains, diesel powered or gasoline or coal. Problems. Nuclear powered subs and aircraft carriers...yup, you guessed it...all have and continue to have problems... You know what...horses die sometimes...resulting in what we are calling it in this thread...problems. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/caleche-horse-collapses-and-dies-in-old-montreal-1.4163205 It seems that everything that humans use to move us around, all seem to have...problems...

Firstly, Secondly, To whom? To you of course. Sometime in the near future when all pistons and cylinders have gone the way of the

On PTO now till Jan 2nd and spending almost every day in the gym and skiing, loving it! Happy Holidays to everyone! ? ?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️?⛷️?️‍♂️

And to quote you on this...the experience on a Tesla blackhole/retail location could not be worse than a stealership one... And laughable how this movie scene may be, this type of stealership experience is still continuing in 2018 for realz...

If it aint staged, the other explanation would be that this aint her car...and she does not know what a Tesla is and what kind of car it is...that she borrrowed it from somebody else. Tesla, electric vehicles, are specialty cars at this time... If she actually bought the car, she would actually want that car, she would actually go out of her way to actually buy an electric vehicle. Telsa cars are not exactly in the Toyota appliance realm of the automotive spectrum. And remember, no dealerships for a Tesla...that means that she would literally know where to buy it...not stumble across a stealership and get duped into buying something she knows nothing about buying something she does not need... She would have to order what type of battery she would want. What type of charger she wants to buy for her home. The reps over at Tesla would also tell her how to use her smartphone Tesla app and superscreen to found out where the Superchargers are at in her vicinity when she needs to charge up and ultimately, the Model S itself would warn her where to charge her vehicle via the Tesla superscreen... Therefore, if these people filming this episode of epic fail youtube vids, if these people want to fool us and sell us on the notion that a human being willfully sought out a Tesla store in a shopping center where everything about a Tesla store just smells of electricity, not gasoline then yeah...I do not believe it... Therefore fake. If not fake, she burrowed that Tesla from somebody, and yes, she might be clueless, but then again, if somebody does not know about cars, then somebody does not know about cars...Tesla or otherwise...

I dont think the interior quality of these had any bearing of the success (or lack of success) of these. Seeing that Pontiac and Saturn were shutdown shortly after the Kappa twins were introduced to the world. I think the lack of success of the Kappa twins were in fact just a symbolic gesture of the lack of focus and attention their respective brands got from parent company General Motors. Saturn did not really need a roadster at this time. Saturn needed to get back to what made Saturn a success in the first place. And that was product that was not badge engineered from the GM umbrella. The whole purpose of Saturn was to be a different kind of car company. Pontiac, had lost its identity when they started ditching their engines and went for Chevrolet/GM corporate engines. And then the whole FWD badge engineered platforms they shared with virtually every other GM brands...and into the 1990s and the 2000s, with Saturn too... Pontiac at this time did not know if they wanted to be plastic cladded boy racer FWD appliances that appear to be sporty, or plastic cladded boy racer FWD soccer mom vehicles that appear to be sporty or hanging on to RWD...ditching RWD but then going back to RWD with 4 cylinder roadsters and muscle cars from Australia that have ZERO Pontiac DNA...(those muscle cars from Australia were awesome, but they were more or less GM corporate affairs than anything else...OK...Chevrolet DNA with a "put another shrimp on the barbie" accent... GM badge engineered the Kappa twins(triplets) and lost focus on what their respective brands actually needed. Twas Pontiac only that really needed the RWD roadster to spark excitement into the brand. Opel and Saturn did not need these. And in turn, the Kappa twins(triplets) were wrongfully marketed to their respective brands. And in turn, the other GM brands, including the recipients of the Kappa twins(triplets) were starved of funds and R&D for much needed better product planning... On the Fiat 124 roadster. Abarth or Lusso. Very Italian. Very Nicely done. The Kappa twins were good, but I think Fiat was wise to go to Mazda. GM tried to do it on their own, came up short. This Fiat on all trims (124, Lusso, Abarth) is a winner, and if Im not mistaken, has outlived the Kappa twins(triplets)...

Does not mean we cannot use better ways to transport the supplies for building. The modern trains are all electric with very clean efficient diesel generators for now. I can honestly say that many parts of my house were delivered by clean Propane and Natural gas powered trucks. Garbage is all CNG powered trucks here, Diesel is dead in that industry here as is in the local delivery by Home depot, Lowes, UPS, FedEx. Non of them use diesel here, all CNG or CNG Hybrid trucks. For long haul, UPS and FedEx use LNG for their trucks here on the west coast. Clearly change for the better happens faster on the west coast than the east coast.

Why are we revising history? Its good to REVISIT history, not so good to REVISE it… The SSR was NOT a concept car that GM happened to produce for reals just because…to have a limited supply toy in their stable… The SSR was indeed a car produced to replace the toy they already had in their stable called the Camaro they just killed off… They did this car(truck) on the cheap, by using their GMT360 platform. You know…their midsized bread and butter SUV platform…Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada and when Oldsmobile died, the Rainier and SAAB X7 something or other… In other words, GM wanted the SSR to be produced longer than the 3 years they actually did produce it for,,, GM did in fact shoot themselves in the foot with the thing, as the high cost of engineering that trick hardtop convertible roof made the bean counters force the production version cheap on the inside. And because the SSR was the Camaro replacement, not directly but indirectly, through the backdoor of Chevy performance…remember the SSR stood for Super Sport Roadster…SUPER SPORT…as in SS, as in Impala SS, Camaro SS, Chevelle SS, Lumina SS (middle east), Cobalt SS, as in Chevrolet SS a decade later… And the only reason why it looked retro was because retro was all the rage back then…as in PT Cruiser just before WW2 and right after WW2 car design/truck like retro looks. As in HHR as well…and I doi believe there was an HHR SS as well… But let us be reals on this, the SSR was indeed a real effort to fill the Camaro void…and if Chevy offered 700 horses in the SSR back then, I do not think the interior would matter much and we wouldnt have a Camaro today, but we would continue to have SSRs. 1500 horsepower SSRs in 2 door hardtop configurations, convertibles both of the soft and hard types, and 4 door AWD versions for soccer moms, Z-71 offroading versions, and quite possibly an electric version of it being engineered right now as we speak…And…Cadillac of course would have all those versions too. Hey…700 horsepower in 2003!!! And now lets talk about the Holden Monaro…aka Pontiac GTO. Like the SSR at Chevy, the Monaro was made into a Pontiac to replace the Firebird. The other F-Body. With the cost of reworking the gas tank and other minor yet costly things, and the cost of producing these cars in Australia and shipping them to the US, and by not even offering this car to be bought by Canadians…GM shot themselves in the foot by marketing BOTH F-Body replacements wrongly, offering a miscalculating the public’s thirst for horsepower by offering inadequate drivetrains especially when these new car offerings were to fill a performance void left by the outgoing F-Bodies, over engineering identities, and cheapening out the interior of what could have been a real cool concept car turned into a production car. The SSR was expensive as hell to buy. With an anemic 5.3 liter V8 trying to motivate a really really heavy car… The GTO’s V8 was not so bad, but Pontiac faithful wanted a GTO that actually looked like a GTO, not a Cavalier, and essentially what a Monaro really was, it was just a heavily re-worked 2 door Catera/Omega/middleeastern Lumina and Caprice and because the Trans Am was no longer, at least GM could have given the GTO some more muscle to ease the pain from all that…because the Firebird (and Pontiac) faithful actually were quite savvy and privy to those facts. I know I was. Its fair to say other Pontiac and Trans Am enthusiasts were also. All those millions, possibly billions to re-engineer the GMT360, to over engineer its convertible top, to re-engineer the Holden gas tank, to re-style a Pontiac front end for it, and back end that says ‘GTO’, to flip the steering wheel for US consumption, to ship it to the other side of the world, it may have been cheaper just to create a new F-Body platform… So yeah…let us not revise history, please! (I do not know what the sales figures were for both dead on arrival vehicles were at the end of their production when finally GM gave them their proper motorvation, but it does not matter, it was a case of too little too late by then anyway. The Pontiac Fiero falls into this same category…GM has a loooong history of this. Like DFELT has said…lost opportunities, wasted time and effort and most importantly, piss poor management, product planning, quality and marketing and eventually unmistakably, unavoidably shooting themselves in the foot with these 2 vehicles… I just want to point out, that I think the SSR has been one of the coolest cars to come out of GM the last 30 years. The GTO too. I totally would own a SSR. 5.3 liter or otherwise. I totally would own a GTO as well… Another thing, we are so into not wanting EVs to succeed, we make up all kinds of storylines to adhere to our reluctance to see that EVs are a thing and here to stay and ICE vehicles lifespan is shorter than we think… We invent all kinds of excuses yet we cannot see that the Tesla Model 3…car…outselling any other car of any kind in its price range…EV, PHEV or ICE, in a world of CUVs and SUVs… Despite all that production hell Musk was talking about, people stuck around with it. More orders continue to pile up for it. Despite the fact that the US has $h!ty EV infrastructure. Despite the fact that the US population prefers CUVs and SUVs, and despite that those Model 3 sales are exclusively in Canada and in the US. Europe and China, I believe, has not yet been included for the sale and delivery of said Model 3… The world is awaiting for the Model 3…To boot, the US and Canada are not the only markets whose populations prefer CUVs and SUVs. Around the globe, CUVs and SUVs are THE market… The Bolt aint selling in Model 3 high numbers, NOT because the Bolt is a Chevrolet and NOT a Tesla, but the Bolt is NOT the right sized and/or right kind of EV car or the right type of EV… Im not sure how pick-up truck drivers/owners view a Rivian pick-up truck, or how a Ford F-150/Ram/Silverado owner would react to an EV F-150/RAM/Silverado, but I sure as well DO know that an affordable RIGHT SIZED EV CUV/SUV that looks HALF AS GOOD as a Tesla Model S or Model 3 from ANY mainstream automaker, not only from Tesla, would sell. Sell a lot. The Model 3 deliveries PROVE price may NOT be a factor either…as all these Model 3 deliveries are of the higher end versions… The entry level Model 3 is STILL not available for purchase… When that happens, many MORE people will opt for the Model 3…government discounts be damned…

Look how this one's optioned. WT Z71! The 18" alloys and meaty Duratracs finish it off real nice! AND a black one just like it in Pittsburgh! Drew... Christmas is coming *wink wink* Destination Charge $1,495.00 Installed Options Engine, 5.3L EcoTec3 V8 $1,395.00 Wheels, 18" x 8.5" (45.7 cm x 21.6 cm) Bright Silver painted aluminum $650.00 Tires, LT275/65R18C MT blackwall Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac $495.00 WT Convenience Package $1,120.00 Z71 Off-Road Package $945.00 Trailering Package $395.00 Trailer brake controller, integrated $275.00 Total Options $5,275.00 MSRP* $42,270.00

i was walking downtown and then i detected seismic activity in brown town. i was with people and if i didn't evacuate the farticles in time, the bullet train express to Brownsville Station would arrive too early. in a moment of sheer genius, i quickly ran to a busker playing good king wenceslas on tuba, threw a dollar and stood next to him, quietly joining in a duet that was nearly pitch perfect because I do lots of squats. when did you conceal farts like a pro?

Was working on a PC when the air raid siren felt the need to run, so I dropped the side panel, timing the horn blare just as the steel panel reverberated off of concrete floor.

Can’t beat a pro here... I find it best when walking up or down the stairs....

THIS is how you pronounce Impala: I'd rather have it be pronounced withOUT that exhaust note, but the car itself is in impeccable shape. This had to have been the most provocative Impala ever as well as one of GM's most unforgettable models. And, back then, they could actually spend the money to change cars to some degree each and every year.

Oh of course, there's no other explanation.

I'll keep my piston, thanks. It's permanently attached.

On the Tesla fail. Funny. But fake. Just another reality TV/youtube/facebook garbage entertainment meant for clicks and views for revenue streams and thumbs up posts...

Ford Ranger FX4 is almost 2 inches taller than Chevy Colorado Z71, but about 2 inches shorter in extended/Super Cab guise. My 2015 Colorado barely fit in my garage, height-wise. I had to get a shorter (and less effective) aftermarket radio antenna for it.

As much as I'd like to shed a tear over the 9 German/foreign brands 'getting killed' in SUV sales to China, I'm dry as a bone here.

Why would anyone buy a weird ass Clarity when the Insight is cheaper, better looking and gets better mileage? But... this is the Tesla customer. Through and through. 24/7. All day, every day. Neurons misfiring from the get-go. You know... all that and more.

Totally makes sense, Diesel is way more expensive than gas, the recovery of the cost of the Diesel Power Train just no longer makes any sense other than in full size Trucks / SUVs where towing and commercial work is needed. Days of consumer Rolling Coal will come to an end. Happy to see the smelly toxic fuel taken off the roads.

Just cannot get into it, Ugliest trucks ever. Clearly some people should not be driving when they do not understand their own technology. Truly a Dumb blonde.

Still like the Mazda version better. Although this is hot. Bring me the 64 Pontiac wagon...the SSR...and a brand new Silverado HD...along with this...and this Fiat....another whole dream car garage.

All I know is that I would totally rock one. Alfa sold far fewer Montreal models and they are still fantastic. Would rock one of those also. Wait a week and C and G will be dropping an article about how GM is bringing it back as a full electric. They should sell millions.

In theory going out to start loosing weight...we will see that work.

Good morning to both of you finr gentlemen. Dearly miss olds hurst....dearly love blu....glad both of you are here.

One of the Collyer Brothers booby traps ~

Growing up on the farm, we had several Honda 3-wheelers and 4-wheelers (Big Reds) and they were a heck of a lot of fun. So then it is not a surprise to me that I feel, out of the Asian automotive brands, Honda has enough redneck DNA and long-time presence in America to interest me a bit.

[looks at internet info] - I see 1. the 6.0L was offered 2 years out of 4, not 1. 2. SSR ended because the Lansing Craft Center closed. I dunno; Chevrolet builds a limited production, totally frivolous retro sport truck for 4 years, sells 24K+, and people think it should continue for 20 more years even tho 99% of those people never bought one to begin with. I think I got that straight there.

Hyundai was planning on offering three different powertrains for the Santa Fe; the 2.4L four-cylinder as the base, an optional turbocharged 2.0L turbo-four, and a new 2.2L turbodiesel. The diesel would also be the only Santa Fe model to offer a third-row. But Green Car Reports has learned the diesel option has been canned. Brandon Ramirez, a spokesman for Hyundai confirmed the cancellation of the diesel during a first drive event of the Palisade in South Korea. The reason was due studies showing that consumers were not as willing to purchase a diesel as before. Likely helping this is the downward trend in gas prices and the increasing push into electrification. The departure of the diesel also means no option of a third-row for the Santa Fe according to Ramirez. This follows the announcement made by Kia back in October that the Sorento diesel option was canned. Source: Green Car Reports View full article

Been a bad week for loosing people....woman my shop mate is friends with was struck by a car and killed, my old debate partners ex wife died of breast cancer. https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/pedestrian-hit-and-killed-in-southeast-columbus No one knows why she was lying in the middle of the road.