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And Porsche has a proper dealer network and the know-how to manufacture vehicles, unlike Tesla which has neither.

I see already up to 10k dealer discounts on C7 Corvettes. Probably even bigger deals are coming this winter. Very tempting, unfortunately even with these huge discounts it is still out of my price range. Damn kids

Porsche build quality is on point so Tesla better be ready. Will be interesting to see how Tesla does once the Taycan is out an Mercedes EQ S a year later.

The 8-series JUST CAME OUT! Of course, a markedly more expensive re-dux of the failed 6-series was doomed to fail; I called that way back. Regardless of USDM AND global industry health, just about all OEMS have overextended themselves with the borderline ridiculous array of models. Even if we were looking at a 19M USDM year, the cost of development has only gone up on already thin margins. Within-brand consolidation is inevitable.

Problem w/ the 8 series is it looks like a Mustang with BMW front and rear styling cues at a much higher price. (and at a higher price than the 6 series coupe it replaced). The weird bulges in the rear fascia don't help either.

Another angle to the no manual detail is they didn't want to a hole in the tunnel...also read there were packaging issues. Also it's cheaper to only have to engineer one transmission. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-sports/the-real-reason-the-new-c8-corvette-isnt-available-with-a-manual-transmission/ar-AAF1wMm

Yet you did. That is all.

I cannot post here. That is all.

What GM needs is a new RWD Impala to take on that KIA Stinger. . . . or at least the 300/Charger twins. I would rather NOT see all the (non-Cadillac) sedans disappear, but GM is simply following demand.

+1, some crossovers (and Buick TourX as another example) put a ton of ugly, unnecessary plastic. CX-5 and CX9 look much cleaner without the huge plastic Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk, has minimal cladding Range Rover has none

Drove a C3, C5 and C6 for a few miles each, I don't have the discipline to refrain from hooning the latter two.

I want to be that guy when I'm that age..still driving fun cars. But I have to get in better shape.

I got about 18 miles of wheel time on one last year when I worked at the Chevy dealership. Best part of it was that is was the manual. I was a little concerned initially about the clutch work with 450 HP under the hood but the clutch and stick were buttery smooth. I even managed to not bark the tires once. Having said that, I still wouldn’t own one because getting in and out of that thing (with my bad back) was an absolute pain in the ass. Could not do that everyday. Oops! Sorry. We are over here talking about the C7 on a C8 article. According to at least one person, that is wrong. ?

I could see myself becoming one of those 65 year old guys in plaid shorts and golf shirt cruising around Scottsdale or Palm Springs in a Corvette convertible. The scary part is that is only a little over 15 years away..

And once again, highlighting the importance of context and simple reading comprehension. Well said. How is pointing out and EV example, after what dfelt and Drew discussed, irrelevant? Answer? It’s not. Again, context and comprehension. See above response regarding the discussion between dfelt and drew. Who would think that there would be talk about the C7 in a discussion about the C8 (please not heavy use of sarcasm)? Now, if he brought up the Zombie Mustang EV, you would have a point but he didn’t so you are wrong. The fact of the matter is that at least dfelt speaks in a positive manner regarding the future while folks like ocnblu just offer up one negative emotionally driven response after another regarding anything to do with EVs. You tell dfelt to provide you proof of him not talking about EVs (which is asinine btw). Show us one EV thread where blu didn’t chime in with his normally trolling nonsense. Again, the fact that you are trying to criticize someone who makes positive posts against someone who speaks nothing but negative posts (even though no one held a gun to his head and forced him to troll EV articles) is absolutely baffling.

aggressively boring...

Plenty of threads in this forum where I have not mentioned EVs. Wrong again Bucko, I first brought up the question about I wonder if there would be a hybrid / EV option. Then Drew said he had read somewhere that there would be, I then searched and found from GM to other sites where this new Corvette was created to be an ICE/Hybrid/EV version all on the same platform which GM has confirmed pretty much. Then I found a cool story that I posted after all that of a company that takes the existing C7 bought without the powertrain and makes them an EV. Now you have the proper timeline and what @surreal1272 was commenting about, go ahead and comment on that. Thank you,

Very excited to see this in production form and to see the excitement for this sedan. I suspect Tesla is going to hurt from the sales of a vastly superior built auto.

I hope the crossover coupes get the ax... but I doubt all of them will.

The data is that it isn't good to put all your eggs in one basket. 2024 is almost the end of the next presidential term, so who knows what can happen between now and then. Chevy having 0 conventional sedans in 2025 doesn't sound like a good position to be in... especially since the Accord and Camry are likely to still be here.

X4 and X6, please. That is insane they are talking of axing the vehicle that is what, 6 months old? There's one in my town and it's beautiful(coupe). ..3 Series GT is equally as hideous and awkward as the X4 and X6.. Good thing that is on its way out.

to be honest, i’m an electric vehicle owner and even i am sick of reading about electric vehicles being inserted into every thread especially since they are inferior to mine and tesla’s in general

Saw this gnarly Ford project car sitting one street over...

nissan is quickly joining mitsubishi in the ‘who gives a sh*t category.’ every car they make is outclassed by hyundai, and the only thing they’ve learned to do better than korea is having even more obnoxious dealers loudly proclaiming: ‘BUY HERE PAY HERE NO CREDIT BAD CREDIT NO CARE DRIVE AWAY TODAY IN A BRAND NEW PRE-OWNED SENTRA SL THE SL STANDS FOR SUPER LOW PRICES OF JUST EIGHTY FOUR PAYMENTS OF NINETY NINE NINETY NINE NINETY NINE NINETY NINE LOOK FOR THE FLAGS AT EXIT 88 OFF THE INTERSTATE ROD GOZINYA’S NISSAN FREE HOT DOG LUNCH EVERY WEDNESDAY MILITARY SERVICEMEMBERS GET OUR THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE DISCOUNT A THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE DISCOUNT GETS YOU HALF OFF DOC FEES IT’S OUR WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE RECENTLY DIVORCED RECENTLY DECEASED GET YOUR LIFE BACK ON TRACK PUSH, PULL OR DRAG YOUR CAR TO ROD GOZINYA’S NISSAN TODAY AND GET $2,000 TOWARDS A NEW NISSAN ALTIMA JUST EIGHTY FOUR EASY PAYMENTS LOOK FOR THE FLAGS AT EXIT 88 BY THE INTERSTATE!’

STOP COPYING ME

Again, in case you missed it the first time, it is a Corvette, regardless of the aftermarket job on it, so it is not irrelevant to discussions about the Corvette. The same would apply to the Escape if it something brought up on a thread about the Escape. You’re just grasping at straws for some reason and making up your own criteria for what you find interesting (like your C8 example. It doesn’t make the mention of an EV C7 any less irrelevant. The point here is that this is a Vette article and it is not irrelevant to bring up other Vette models, aftermarket or otherwise. You do know what the definition of the word “Ironic” means right? You troll every EV thread ad nauseam. You are just trying to start $h! for no other reason than being mad at being called out for your ad nauseam BS.

I am not a fan of black out packages. This would sell better as a Pilot with an NSX powertrain. I bet a $125,000 Pilot Type R with an NSX motor would outsell the NSX.

That's a shame. I really liked the Malibu and loved the styling. I'm hating that choices for sedans are all disappearing, because I've always been a sedan man. I do hope they refresh it before it goes out...

You put a picture of the old Evoque, all recent Range Rovers do not have that On the other hand TourX is based on Opel Insignia wagon which looks SUBSTANTIALLY better without the cladding

^ Wait. Tesla certainly outsells all other EVs. Model 3 has moved 67K units thru June by itself. If it maintains pace, it;ll have moved 135K to Porsche's projected 30,000.

There is one big problem with a $50K Honda Pilot: What happened to the Acura MDX?! I thought 50K was Acura territory.

Just pure dedication lol!

I saw a guy in Scottsdale a few years ago, appeared to be around 80 parking a yellow C6 Z06 convertible. Had the top down and a walker sitting in the passenger seat..opened the door, lifted out the walker, then got out.

Agreed. I don’t know how these old men can deal with them on a daily basis. Guess they are in much better shape than me lol. Funny sidestory about that dealership. Right before I left, a salesman asked me to move a $100K Z06 out of the showroom for a delivery to their Surprise dealership. Why couldn’t he do it, you ask? Because the salesman couldn’t drive a stick! It took every ounce of restraint I had NOT to revoke his man card, him being a car salesman and all. It took even more restraint to keep from leaving those back tires on that nice showroom tile when I drove it out.

Cool... With my back, hips and knees it would be painful...I'd be banging my shoulders/head on the roof. So I'd have to have a convertible and leave the top down. I would like to have a sports car for a fun car sooner or later, but definitely not a daily driver.

I think there is a lot of initial excitement for it, also why sales of the C7 have been lagging... people knew the C8 was coming and were waiting.

Find'em. Yeah, completely irrelevant that an aftermarket company turned the last gen into an EV.

We've had plentiful examples of 'normal looking' hybrid variants of 'regular' models, they don't sell. Looks didn't hold them back at all. Most of the EVs out, IMO, look fine (well; prius aside). They don't sell comparable to IC variants. Do you think that a -say- RAV4 is 'good (or normal) looking', and a -say- Bolt is not? Car manufacturers are in the business of (manufacturing &) selling. 'Company suicide' is determined, not by individual opinion; but the balance sheet (the reason for manufacturing & selling). Teslas are, as a whole, furiously expensive (and getting moreso WRT the raising of the S & X MSRPs). They sell semi-decently, but the company makes no money. Most of the recent & proposed full EVs are likewise furiously expensive, and they make no money. VW is between a rock & a hard place, and is doing high stakes gambling. If they think their customers are going to switch unilaterally to full EVs (and at what price levels??), I'd also like to know what data they're basing this on.

I"m a fan of blackout packages myself.

OK, but is that 'data'? Trucks (and SUVs) have been taking an increasing share of new vehicles sales for like 50 years running now. That's far too long to be in a cycle. Sure; trucks sales dipped more than cars when gas spiked at $4/gal+ (for 6 months), but trucks now are reaching solidly into the mid 20s in FE (and beyond) - already a far cry from where they were 10 years ago. Add to that trucks in general have evolved much farther from where they were -say- in 1990, than cars have (IMO), and you have multiple 'insurance' factors that IF another huge upswing in fuel costs comes (I personally don't see the metrics for it), that trucks will retain their percentages better than a decade ago. That scenario aside, they aren't fads and they are not part of a 'cycle'. The 'CUV-ing' of cars is measurable proof of that. At the very least, "when" is an reach.

I mean, you're not wrong. Find a thread where he's posted in that doesn't have one comment about EV/hybrids. Betcha can't. No, his was a picture of an EV C7.

Olds442 has apparently left the building. ? RE EVs: the industry has 20 years of electrification in the books, and while the EV talk is ever-present from every corner, the consumer take rate is miniscule. It will be interesting to watch scenarios like VW, where they are swearing they'll be 100% electric in a few years. When your a start-up, that position is super easy to take (the books aside), but when you're one of the worlds largest; not so much. In today’s industry, that’s akin to corporate suicide. An EV is not for me but I’m fine with them co-existing. But I have no concerns that IC vehicles are going to disappear in my lifetime.

Not true...Olds post stuff without EVs in it... ? Sadly my friend, it’s kinda hard not to talk about them when they are part of our future.. And as long as there are still plenty of ICE choices, I’m not sweating too much yet...

Keep in mind though- those very nameplates might come back on the new EVs as well....pretty sure all the EVs will not all be SUVs....

So your saying you hate your Tesla and all electrics even though your an electric owner. Interesting, ? Not enough fiber to clean out your stools then and so your plugged up and need a Petro Enema! Got it!

I am still amazed that Nissan and Mitsubishi are still here in the USA. Both should have left a long time ago.

Never asked you to apologize. You also have a backwards view of what is considered “trolling”. The comment you are referring to was not trolling given the fact that the maker of said truck has big EV plans while your “lame ass” remark was the very definition of trolling, like so many of your anti anything to do with EVs history. Just the same old tripe and it’s just that, old. Regarding the actual subject, This is a smart move by GM, from the price to getting top MPGs. One question though. Why oh why doesn’t the smaller diesel Colorado not sport those kind of numbers (as well as being on the pricier end of spectrum as far as Colorado’s how)?

New rule at C&G: every stinking thread has to include a post by dfelt mentioning EV. EVERY.STINKING.THREAD.

I bet in 5 year pa GM and Ford are cutting the Encore, Trax, Trailblazer, Ecosport, etc to “focus on more profitable models” and Equinox and Escape will be the base models, and post 2025 they might kill them off too if the RAV4 crushes the market the way the Camry did to the sedan market.

How are these companies trying to force EVs on a disinterested public? By stopping the manufacture of everything else. It's gonna look more and more like Mad Max out there... or Cuba. And whether these obstinate CEOs (BARRA) realize it or not, they will suffer for it. Sigh... no dfelt, that's not what he is saying. Here, take my hand. Let's go for a little walk and I'll explain it to you.