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@trinacriabob We aim to please. Top 10 places by CNBC https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/us-news-world-report-best-places-to-live-in-the-us-in-2019.html#:~:text=1 Austin%2C Texas 2 Denver%2C Colorado 3 Colorado,Washington D.C.) did not make this year’s list. Top 125 places by US News https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/best-places-to-live Top 10 places to live by Bankrate where they factor in Affordability, Culture, Safety, Job Market and Education. https://www.bankrate.com/real-estate/best-places-to-live/us/

Thankfully any wrangler model will tow a trailer full of fire extinguishers, which is what is needed to put out the dumpster fire this thread ahs become. I did look at the cargo area and carrying capacity of the Wrangler, and bought a ranger isntead. Chicken fried rice is dandy. I still want a wrangler, or a Bronco. Good day gentlemen.

I like rankings. At least to read them and think about whether I agree or disagree. They have enough subjectivity in them. This one is interesting. It ranks the best 50 universities in the WORLD. There are some predictable inclusions on the list, which also includes universities in Europe, Asia, and Australia in addition to those in the U.S. Forbes's list of the 50 best universities in the world The 1st and 2nd spots go to Oxford and Cambridge, respectively. They look both too Gothic, too overcast, and too smug for my taste. The 3rd spot went to Stanford, which was the top rated American University. MIT and Harvard followed. Of the state universities, UC Berkeley took the top honors on the list, with UCLA and Michigan not far behind. Of the three great Canadian universities, University of Toronto led, followed by UBC and McGill. It's cool that both the University of Washington made the list (#28), as well as the University of Illinois (#50). I looked at the list twice for one head scratcher (making the list and checking it twice): the University of Virginia, considered America's "Public Ivy," was not on the list. Now I need a list of the best places to live to entertain me some more.

My partner has got one (Tesla). Two of my immediate neighbors have got EVs. (Both Teslas). One of those neighbors had a 1st gen Volt. A mom of one of the girls I coach in softball has got one. (Tesla) And I shoot the shyte with ALL them regarding their EV ownership. And guess what? None of YOUR fears, and fake EV news relate to their world of EV ownership, dipshyte.

then there are the shit-for-brains diesel pickup drivers 'rolling coal' and spewing filth everywhere..I see those out and about...

And so many variations... some in the 80s-90s (Grand Ams in particular) resembled 90s BMW grilles... And Buick inexplicably did split grilles for a few years also. With BMW, the term came about many decades ago when they had kidney-shaped long, vertical twin central grilles. Never seen it applied to Pontiac, since Pontiac really didn't do the tall narrow twin grilles (maybe the 70 full size and some '70s Grand Prix are close to that..). Over the decades, esp. starting in the 90s, BMW's central grilles grew wider and wider, evolving more into sqircles than the earlier kidney shape..

Interesting story...GM EVs are outselling Tesla in China. That pink coupe is badazz... https://jalopnik.com/gm-is-selling-more-evs-than-tesla-in-china-1844982463

powered by...gasoline? Maybe diesel?

What's with the millionth-place calculations? Getting tax reimbursements out that far to the right of the decimal? I'd like to know what the billionth place number is next time.

I would MUCH rather a realtime introduction to a new vehicle than photos or video. So much can be lost in translation.

EVERYONE in here drives an ICE vehicle. Except for booyah, and he's incognito. He's the only one who would be an authority on EV ownership, and even then, he might choose to wear his own rose colored glasses when reporting his experiences. I don't know. NOTHING is wart-free.

You know I support your argument here 100%...but... That bolded statement is not exactly 100% correct nor factual. Vehicles that are well maintained by their owners for those 15 years actually DO run they way they were engineered all these years... THIS...should be applied to all of us. Anything less of this....is hypocritical. And THAT applies to ALL of us.

Now you are just being pedantic and weird..they've been called 'kidney' shaped for decades... rectangles w/ rounded ends. They could have been called 'sausage' shaped, but weren't. Today, they are generally 'nostril' shaped, though the new 4 series is going to a long vertical trapezoid shape..

Buddy - none of those are kidney shaped. Google image 'kidney'.... BMW's has used ovals and squares, but never an actual kidney bean shape. Weird... but I'm instantly reminded of the attempt to label volvo's lights as 'Thor's hammer' - IMO that's about like calling a Pinto 'aspirational'. Early on they did :

We used to look for them in salvage yards back in the vintage Mustang days, as they came with a 9 inch rear end....just begging for lower rear gears and a posi unit. Several of the versailles had factory positraction as I recall. Pontiacs were at least attractive, BMW's currend models are hideous.

I was never sure how this term came about, either with regards to BMW, or (and I've not seen them termed such before, I don't think); Pontiac. Neither have either had a kidney shape to them. Pontiac's were commonly referred to as a 'split grille'.

I don't think you should be talking, you are lucky you can work from home but when you do drive your vehicles are way more polluting then ocnblu truck. So how about stopping with hypocrisy, at least until you actually buy an EV?

I have to say that the Nikola Badger Super truck is a nice looking truck and solid competitor to the RAM which I have felt is one of the best looking trucks out there. What do you all think of the Badger EV fuel cell Truck? Nikola has now stated there will be two versions. 455 HP / 980 lb-ft of torque AWD 910 hp / 1,960 lb-ft of torque AWD 300 miles on battery pack and 300 miles on Fuel cell generator. @Robert Hall @ccap41 @Drew Dowdell @balthazar @A Horse With No Name @surreal1272 @trinacriabob @riviera74 @oldshurst442 So what do you guys think of their concept above now that they have an updated actual truck? Do you think it will make it as is to when they reveal their fleet of Mules in December? Thoughts of GM investment in Nikola and the manufacturing plant that Nikola is getting to build the Badger Truck along with using GM's platform? Sounds off please.

Nice you just created .162 Metric Tons of Green House Gas, warming the world, melting the polar caps and polluting the local air. Thank you, https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gas-equivalencies-calculator

Yes, FoMoCo Lincoln's Cimarron-like product and response. Both worth a chuckle. Neither worth buying.

Those EVs were originally rated well under 100 miles and you can almost guarantee they've lose some range in the 6-8 years they've been around. Those are hardly comparable to already owning a 90's-00's compact or mid-size sedan.

I mean it kind of was when they introduced four doors to the mix. LOVE. I LOVE chicken fried rice!

I saw a 79 Lincoln versailles the other day, the Lincoln they built on a Granada platform. Light blue and in good shape.

I'm not sure I notice a significant difference yet, but I'm still running totally stock. It's also possible that you get a bigger bump in power with the 6.2 than I do with the 5.3. I think a CAI and tune will come later in the year, right now I'm in the middle of shaking up my finances with a new bank, new primary credit card, and new savings/investing strategy... so I want that to settle down first before I make more extra purchases.

They also haven't been on the market long enough to get any sort of temperature check. This is a bureaucratic problem, not an EV problem. Denmark put tax levies on petroleum powered cars and gave tax breaks to EVs in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Someone should have had the foresight to say, "Hey! When we reach our goal, we're going to have to adjust this." Bad tax policy is not an EV's fault.

- - - - - Found this while lookin for that: '74 Grand Ville coupe. 455, big 4bbl, cam, TH400, 3.90 gears, 91 octane... Quarter mile in 11.5 @ 116. She's thick :

And so a preference was permanently ingrained. - - - - - I appreciate your sentimental recollection. My grandfather had a string of Pontiacs - I only have one memory of his gold '72 Grand Ville, and a few more of his '76 Grand Ville. He always traded in, so the '72 left for the '76 (and the '76 got T-boned, replaced by a '78 Sedan deVille). My grandfather liked to recollect how his '72's 455 would pull. Said he was coming home early one morning from fishing, wanted to 'see what it would do'. He said it was still pulling strong at an indicated 120 MPH when he had to back out of it. Basically the '72 was this, but I recollect a proper metallic gold, and this is more a beige :

Super clean :

Unbelievable how fast I can recharge my truck to 100%, olds? Next time I'll take my GoPro and then post the vid, so you can see I'm not lying.

THIS is a proper Catalina :

413.3 miles, 5 minutes later I had 18.268 gallons of gallons of gas pumped in. 22.624261 MPG.

True, I did see spam at a couple fast food places and roadside stands...read an article about it's popularity there. Otherwise, the food was great there...had dinner at the Benihana in my hotel (Hilton Hawaiian Village), the famous Roy's, a couple seafood places, and a really good Thai place in Waikiki....I need to go back eventually, want to go to Maui, the big island, and Kauai...both trips I've been, I've only been on Oahu.

I think there are hot springs or mud baths in the world that bubble and look dirty, but are good for you. This is what this reminds me of. I thought the people would be evacuating that pool. A prolonged thunderstorm saves you the cost of having to drive through a car wash.

WINING & DINING = dropping coin. Not sidewalk kiosk food fare.

Hello ICE engines DO LOOSE HP and Torque by 100,000 miles. Some much worse than others especially on smaller engines like 3 & 4 cylinder. Bigger thing is the Amount of CO2 produced by ICE compared to EVs and there ICE looses every time. https://duquark.com/2019/06/03/environmental-impacts-of-internal-combustion-engines-and-electric-battery-vehicles/ https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/9/2690/htm Just some of the studies that show the metric tons of pollution ICE produce compared to EVs even with battery production and dirty energy supply like Coal or natural gas.

2366 CI diesel, 1700 torque. Interesting critter :

I like chicken fried rice.

Do you know how feminine this post sounds? You downvote every post I put up anymore. It's a bit much, like... stalky. I like Pontiac Firebirds from 1970-1973, and long walks on the beach at sunset, or hikes in the woods without a banjo soundtrack. Do you like steamed chicken and rice? I do. Call me!

Phone or computer; no. But a TV is no big deal; no moving parts and you never touch it physically (not that I know where, offhand, to buy a used TV). I bought a used freezer from my barber for $40 and it's been humming along in the garage for probably 6 years now. 'Technology changes' are immaterial; if the device you bought did what you needed it to when you bought it, it should continue to do those same functions for some years. You don't have new needs; you have marketing department conditioning.

Took my Jeep out yesterday on my first road trip in it of the year..drove almost 250 miles of freeway, small town and hilly backroad driving around E. Ohio....averaged 25.8 mpg. Not bad! Felt good to get out of the house for a few hours..hardest part of road tripping in pandemic times is finding a bathroom..

Imagine the conversations in here if an ICE engine lost 40% of its capacity to function after 8 years or 100k miles, whichever came first. That is GM's guideline for "normal operation" on Bolt's battery warranty. And it's one of the better ones! So lame. And a potentially huge expense down the line, which points both fingers to the fact that EV are as throwaway as that Apple phone, but WAY, WAY more expensive. It used to be, auto companies were planning obsolescence on the basis of body styling, primarily. Then, yearly styling changes waned. Now, with the average age of vehicles in the U.S. going up and up, planned obsolescence has pretty much been blunted with longer product cycles and improved long term mechanical quality/durability. This warranty chart is a pathetic shine of light on manufacturer's expectations... a sad "new normal" of a vehicle's average lifespan, because c'mon man, nobody's going to replace a battery at their own expense, the car will be junked first.

^ I feel like you guys aren't reading my posts. There are people living VASTLY different life styles than you are. Even if you can't relate, you get that, don't you??

* can't put this in spotting since it's a "lot" behind the 8 ball * Here I am, walking through Savannah's historical district, minding my business, and a toad decides to cross the road in front of me ... and then turn at the corner ... I might add that it was a "healthy" looking toad.

At some point, not this season but maybe next April or May, I plan to buy the tent attachment for it.

You can say 'until exactly what I want comes along and I decide to buy one' all day long, but that runs dangerously close to the 'vaporware' scenario. IMO - either support both until you make the switch & divest yourself of IC, or stop bashing other people's preferences. Again, just one guy's opinion. BTW : 'oil-dripping, smoke spewing' comments certainly could fall under 'fake IC info'.

Solar cell. Some things are appropriate, some things are not. Shocking how that works, eh?

Reality is complex...there are many things.

Shoot, I keep forgetting you bought yourself an EV, you haven't posted a thread on it. APOLOGIES.