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Are YOU willing to make these LITTLE compromises? When are you getting your EV? As of right now none of staunch proponents of EVs on this forum have an EV. My wife for example drives a hybrid vehicle, which is at this point of time is the most practical compromise. Personally, I will consider getting an EV as a commuter in 4-5 years when I will be shopping for my car. However, even in 4-5 years I don't see us having both EV vehicles.

This was actually supposedly taken near Cleveland... Want a Ford Ranger Raptor....but....who knew all along that I could build one with scraps in my garage....obviously not my work, this dude has mad skills.

I don't defend Anti-EVs. ocnblu is the only one who is unreasonably dislikes them and no one will change his opinion on the matter. Otherwise as far as I can see everyone else makes valid arguments for and against EVs.

That is perfectly understandable. And I absolutely agree with you that as of right now the options are very limited and very few EVs are in the affordable price range. My only issue is that NONE of the people who actively defend EVs and actively attack everyone who is anti-EV, none of them at this point of time OWN EV themselves and live with it. I would rather someone tell me from their experience how it was driving EV vehicle for example from NJ to Montreal or to Florida (I give these examples because my family did these trips number of times). I perfectly realize that EVs are the future, but I think we are still at least 8-10 years away from EVs being truly a fully viable option.

I came to this realization 2 years ago. First, I heard Louis CK's stand-up comedy routine on God and money and why money and how He put "shyte on the ground for us to eat and mmmmmm bacon... funny bit. And then when I went to Greece on a family trip 2.5 years ago. I thought about what my mommy told me (yes mommy, I will ALWAYS be her little boy...I miss her) She told me when she left her parents at the age of 16 to live in Athens. She told her parents that she is done being a poor farmer's daughter. She will BUY her own bread...not make it herself. And so with THAT thought 2 years ago, I was thinking about what true freedom was. What being rich truly was. What it all meant. I was VISITING Greece...the island paradise part of Greece. I wanted to escape the clutches of the 1st world. I was thinking about the peaches and figs I USED to pluck fresh from the trees as a visitor as even that does not exist anymore on the island paradises of Greece. I was thinking about how my mommy lived back then. I thought about how SHE wanted to and finally did, was to LEAVE THAT kind of life far behind her. For a better way of life. A life NOT as a slave to farm your own food. A life that SHE provided ME with and now, I had the riches to take MY family back to where it all started from... I get to buy...bread, canned peaches and a plane ticket to paradise...yet my mommy...had FRESH figs, FRESH bread and FRESH peaches and the bloody beach at her fingertips... The irony still strongly resonates with me. And now...this lovely message I get to read.

The "FWD / transverse engine" aspect you consistently look down on is rendered 100% non-applicable once you go to battery packs / hub motors.

I liked some of these pics @A Horse With No Name As I wanted to post a B2 Bomber to compliment the pic of the falcon and to comment how the pic reminds me soooo much of a B2.... The internets beat me to it...

I remember this and it still holds true that while all auto's ev or ice loose performance in extreme cold or heat, it is not as extreme as some say. This is a great story on a Chevrolet bolt in extreme cold and how it did. Chevy Bolt EV electric car range and performance in winter: one owner's log (greencarreports.com)

However, there is an abundance of lighthouses along the Great Lakes photographed under those conditions to "shock and awe," for lack of a better description. I am always fascinated by the possibilities in icicle formations. - - - - - Ford stock? Upward potential? Or does one just say "F"* it? (* F is its ticker!)

Yes, a performance electric SUV would fit the Corvette family nicely!

Well... I once wrote that I had several IMMEDIATE neighbors that own Teslas and a business partner with one as well, when I countered blu with his mis-informed ideas of EV ownership and I was downvoted by...you for it. No...not MY experiences with EVs. But when I said that THEIR ownership is completely 100% THE opposite of what blu was spewing, I dont think I deserved that negative downvote...ESPECIALLY without an explanation from you. (Now do you understand why I say I get bullied?) And...the folk in here DEFENDING EVs are NOT doing it by pushing an EV agenda...we are doing it to COUNTER FALSE information that is tooted as facts. (which makes ME wonder on the amount of silliness that is posted against EVs is if in fact there IS a hidden agenda against EVs) THAT aside... All the close people I know that DO own EVs also have a 2nd vehicle in the family. And THOSE vehicles ALL happen to be ICEVs. But then again, these people do NOT do long car vacation trips either way. Only one neighbor does family car trips. But he owns 2 ICEVs. Its my Moldavian neighbor who had negative ideas on American cars until he drove them and now owns 3 GM cars. His recent purchase: a 2019 Cadillac XT5 (350T). I do moderate travels. I have done Boston many many times. As with Lake George and Quebec City. Toronto and Ottawa a couple of times. I sometimes rent cars. I sometimes take my own. Depending on my mood. Therefore if I had an EV, my trend of using my car or renting would stay the same. Yeah...Id travel with an EV across the border (provincial or American) . It make me practice my internets by using apps to plan out my trip as to where Id have to stop to charge up.

Sure... My next car WILL probably BE an EV. MY problem is NOT with EVs, its the LACK of OPTIONS to what I wanna buy. I like Telsas. But I dont like Teslas at the same time. Im weary of giving them my money. For a myriad of reasons. My partner had got one. It has been a good ride for him, and he is thinking of getting another Tesla. Upgrading. But I dont wanna be part of the Tesla family. Many many reasons. Some trivial. Some because I dont agree with Elon's way of his vision of the future on some things... Mainly because I prefer the traditional car maker over Tesla. I LIKE the Mach E. Problem is...its an SUV. I will HOLD OFF ANY SUV ownership as LONG as I could. As long as there is a sedan or coupe available, Im buying THAT instead of a SUV The Chevy Bolt is too small. The Porsche Taycan is too expensive. The Volvo EVs are NOT worthy of my money for me to buy... Im waiting to see what VW and especially GM (and now Honda/Acura with their GM partnership) will bring. At worst case scenario regarding EVs in the next 3-4-5 years, the next car my family will own will be an EV, and we will have an ICE in the driveway, but NOT because we dont wanna go fully on EV, but because there is a lack of options. I will probably replace the Acura in the next 3-4-5years. We will see what is up when we do replace it.

Apparently it is Michigan City, Indiana on Lake Michigan.

Brrrrrrrr That is toooo cold for me. (right this very moment) Even just looking at that picture is making me shiver.

I am driving less and enjoying it more. 5600 miles on the Ranger five months in. I like it... The same could be said for everyone who posts here I like the old truck..it fits in.

13 years of sled today! It's officially a teenager. I checked the odometer upon getting into it today - 103,310 miles ... of very reliable motoring across those miles. When my last car hit the 13 year mark, it had approximately 215,000 miles on the odometer. It's amazing how life changes.

We bought a 2008 Impala (Actually my youngest did) from a classic car dealer. They usually only sell classics, but they also dispose of cars for a lawyer who does a lot of probate work. Impala is immaculate, a thousand dollars of new Michelin tires on it. they had this beauty there, about the best preserved 60's car I ahve ever seen. not a stone chip in the paint, all original paint. Not for sale either. Later style wheels...added alter by owner, still in the original family. Special ordered from Pontiac as a 4 speed... Staying Busy indoors during the pandemic...I will post up some finished work at some point.

DRIVEN: 2020 Cadillac XT6 AWD Sport, MSRP about 63,500. Satin Steel exterior, black interior. HIGHS: -Peppy, responsive 3.6 v6 and 9 speed auto. -Nice quick steering, unusual for a CUV and especially for Cadillac. -Overall, nice suspension, ride and handling. Comfortable but tight in turns, feels darn near sedan like, Cadillac did a really nice job with the steering, ride and handling. -I didn't take issue with the interior so much, apart from it's dated and dull design. At least in all black it looked pretty good and textures and plastics and build quality were nice; I just don't have a good frame of reference for interiors vs. the whole of the competition. -Some have criticized Cadillac's 'plain' gauges (the newest style) but i really like them. Not fussy looking. -Some have criticized Cadillac for lack of bolster on the seats but my wide corn fed midwestern body liked the flatter wider seat. -The last few years, Cadillac infotainment control has become some of the best. Quite the same as in my Buick. Bad CUE has been relegated to the scrap heap. -The XT6 tall boxy shape lends for a lot of glass area and upright cabin and therefore visibility is top notch all around. The new rear camera mirror is icing on the cake for a great view all around. -For those that like mid size SUV's the front row is pretty spacious; it's the same size as the XT5. -The tall boxy shape also makes for a LOT of headroom....plus the seating is taller in the second row, it helps make it seem as though leg room is generous. -Cargo space is tall, and good room with 3rd row down. -The XT6 particular in Sport trim is quite stealthy looking. No one really would get that its a Cadillac on first glance and its boxy shape is likely not to draw much ire from law enforcement. -Quietness and road noise comfort in the cabin that is better than the lesser GM counterparts. -This example had the heads up display. Glad GM still puts those in a few vehicles. -No way I attempt to get into the third row, but it actually LOOKED like smaller humans may be able to enjoy sitting back there....even if they are hanging way over the back end..... -A good three row Cadillac for empty nesters, boomers, and Grandparents. LOW'S -XT6 is good power but an uplevel engine option IMO is warranted as the prices climb. And considering the competition within the luxury marques. -The engine sounds are really similar to the XT4...really throaty and it revs out. At times, the Cadillac traditionalists would consider it 'noisy' (I don't). It's a shame that may keep a lot of driver's from 'stepping on it' and accessing the zip. -Second row cabin width, is challenged....2-4 more inches in the width of the second row seating (and cargo area) may have been nice. -Level of exterior styling, design and interiors is not perhaps up to the level of the pricing.... it's good, but perhaps the platinum package makes a difference, IDK. -Overall, interiors and exteriors lacks presence in the company of (for example) the Aviator that was on the same parking lot that day. SUMMARY Not a bad vehicle at all, and yet, not an object of luxury car market desire. Surprising in some vehicle dynamics and otherwise not seeming to be 'compelling', yet as the best and most refined choice for GM fans in the midsize 3 row SUV segment its got some appeal as a unique choice and stealth / wallflower factor. Rushed to market, and it shows, sort of a Frankenstein offering that doesn't get your attention right away. Now, this would have been an AWESOME vehicle if it had come out as the original SRX in 2004......it's still sort of the Vibes of 2004......... ---Recommended for those who appreciate the ride and handling / suspension, snarly powertrain, quietness and comfort, stealth factor and uniqueness, and popular mid size. Just don't pay too much....make sure you get a great discount.

None of those are Ford-built. :)

Those are all before the Mustang II, I presume.

93 mpg-e for the Mustang and 111 mpg-e for the Model Y as per that video on top. Both used about 50% of their battery, give or take, going to the mountain. They drove 70 miles to get to the top of the mountain if I understood correcty... Driving 8 miles downhill after they left the mountain, the Mustang gained 3% to the battery through regen. (Im posting tidbits of info as Im listening to the video at the same time Im listening to it. Info that I like or I think is interesting) The Mustang accelerates great between 30-50 mph but has deficiencies as compared to the Model Y and/or other cars in general. The Model Y though is a more sportier ride and faster CUV than the Mustang. (my opinion based on their video: Hate on Tesla all we want, but it does NOT matter WHO test drives these Tesla and what model Tesla IS being tested, it seems that everyone seems to think that Tesla KNOWS how to build a sporty, fun and fast EV...) Going back up the mountain for another 8 miles, the Mustang ate up A LOT of battery power. But the dudes did NOT mention how much the Tesla did. THAT is what I curious about though. They already proved in the first part of the video that the Model Y is more efficient than the Mustang, how much more efficient is it now at THIS stretch is what I wanna know... The Mustang at this point is at 38% battery life and If I heard correctly at the end there, I think I heard the dude say the Model Y is at 45% They finally reached the chargers and the Mustang is at 44 miles left @ 30% charge The Model Y is at 117 miles @ 40% Ill stop it here. What I wanna know is how many miles they actually did at this point and how many hours they drove to get at their first charging point... Model Y dude said they will spend 15 minutes to charge...and that means 15 minutes more than people spend gassing up. Wrong... 10 minutes more. Semantics...I know... But I do NOT appreciate the unnecessary drama... Like I said... What I wanna know is how many miles they actually did at this point and how many minutes/hours they drove to get at their first charging point... THAT would be more helpful to actually trying see if an EV is right for you if long trips are a thing you do with vehicles. Because Ill tell you one thing... When I was travelling with my buddies to Lake George, or Quebec City or even Boston, we HARDLY stopped... Not even to pee. Well, there was ONE time when we DID stop to pee at Plattsburgh on the way to Lake George. But...with my family...the trips we did to Ottawa, and Toronto...and Lake George...it seems we stopped at almost every 30 minutes. Kids get hungry. Wife has a bladder small like a gold fish. Stopping at a food court and killing 15 minutes 3-4 times in a short destination is a gimme for MY family. Doing THAT for an EV, with an EV is apparently not a big deal... And yeah...food courts along the way...DO have chargers... Now...I guess I will found out how the charging went... OK...I got my answer. They travelled 143 miles. I said EVs (mainly Teslas) in 2020 could go 250-300 miles without stopping with full on heat and A/C. It seems I wasnt far off in my assumption. 250 miles is what I was focusing on mainly. In terms of gauges...the Tesla used 172 miles in range and the Mustang 123. Gauges dont mean shyte is what they are saying. Tesla used 56% of its battery pack and the Mach E used 70%. Tesla, because there was many Tesla charging...slow charging Mustang...malfunctioning chargers. After 15 minutes...they both stopped. The Mustang dude, reluctantly because he got a spike in power for a few seconds. LOL. 2 bucks and change for the little electricity the dude used for the Mustang and gained 8%. 8 minutes of charging time. The Tesla dude got billed twice the amount, but git twice as much juice if I was to understand... They drove 180 miles all together. Lots of traffic, and one measly pitstop of 15 minutes. I did not stay for their advantages and disadvantages of both vehicles. I could conclude...for myself... THAT BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA regarding EVs. THAT IS NO FAULT OF EVs AS THEY ARE NOW! The technology is right now is good. Even as long hauling goes. Small compromises that wont affect lives all that much. Covid has been a much more disruption of our daily lives than what an EV will do to us on a long road trip... You could conclude by yourselves as to why the US has shytty EV charging infrastructure, political, environmental and personal biases be included in your own assesments, I dont really care... ...but what I learned today, in 2020 is that 1. an EV is quite capable of doing what an ICEV is doing in 2020. 2. Like in the ICEV world, there will ALWAYS be better/worse, faster/slower, more comfy vehicles/less comfy, smaller/larger when comparing them with each other

Yeah, in thinking about extremes of weather and propensity to calamity in other places I've lived, NE Ohio and Great Lakes region seems pretty safe...

Fresh food and a beach sounds nice really right now with sleet coming down. Part of me wants to live in the Florida Keys again...but then I think about hurricanes and tropical storms.

LOL You got that right! Most things sold in Cacada Canada are more expensive. (oops...keyboard Freudian slip...) Just kidding. I LOVE CANADA! I saw Don Cherry's youtube clip on the Canadian Juniors beating Germany 16-2 and a Russian troll in the comments wrote that about Canada. First time I heard it and I laughed... Scroll down a tad to see it... Сергей Аксенов2 weeks ago Канада какнада I google translated and google gave me Canada Kaknada. But Im no fool...I KNOW what the dude meant... Still funny though.

Per the same video I linked, 211 mile range Mach-E shows an estimated 157 mile range with a full charge in the cold. 25% range lost.

This was one of the greatest rally cars ever ...

This little thing looks like a hoot....

Visiting lighthouses on the Lakes is one of my favorite road trip topics, in the before time from 2017-2019 I visited a dozen or so lighthouses along Lake Erie in Ohio, PA, and NY.

WOW, Momma Dropped the baby on his face and this is what happened. ? WOW, Septuplets, talk about a hard time figuring out which one your wife is.

Really, you still sulking about a downvote? I would never downvote anyone when there is a reasonable discussion going on, or even maybe not very reasonable but still polite. But when someone is name calling and cursing, that becomes a bummer.

Personally, I think it is a combination of inflation with interest rates and banks willing to give large sums of money to nearly everybody. "for only $72 more a month(for 96 months) you can step up to the Lariat F150 with massaging seats and panoramic moonroof" Sub 40 degree temps REALLY put a dent into range though. Something with a factory rating of 300 miles absolutely will not anywhere near 300 miles in the cold. A 30% range loss in really cold temperatures is not uncommon.

I read the article...about the Sondors Metacycle Cool product. But I dont want to talk about that. Two sentences in and this is what caught my brain... Im just leaving it at that. (Normally that tidbit of info is very banal, but in this thread...it speaks VOLUMES...)

Sure you have seen something like that. Especially with your Italian heritage. Come on now, dig deep into your mind. Its there. You WILL see it. Here...Ill help you out a little bit. Give you a couple of clues. a) Rallye. b) It has a Greek name of the 4rth letter in the Greek alphabet. TA DA! Lancia Delta HF Integrale

Awesome! And then when I got to the end of the video and I saw Starlight Country Cabin 1832 and 1814, another song popped into my head. In 1814 we took a little trip along with colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip. We took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we caught the bloody British in a town in New Orleans.

Ugly but still lovable.

New Age Aztek.

That is truly SAD. Remember when the average new car price was about $25K or less?

^^^ Ah. Gotcha! I was misunderstanding and reading too much into it.

vomit inducing nightmare

I was being...SARCASTIC Making fun of you...blu

Yeah...yet another crazy leftist agenda asshole trying to make us buy EVs...

Was a 2nd sunny 45 degree day in a row, which in unusual for Cleveland in January. Supposed to rain turning to snow tomorrow, colder and snowier over the next week. Had 3 interviews this week, interesting doing them over Zoom and Teams. So far so good.. Work has been up and down this week, mostly quiet but a few meetings because the India team have a bunch of issues w/ an application that has been soft launched...not yet ready for go-live, still a number of issues I'm consulting on. When stuff isn't working, who do they turn to? In my free time, taking a bunch of courses through Linkedin Learning...refreshing myself on some old stuff and getting an overview of some new stuff..

Rare sunny cold day between winter storms. Taking a break from work to get my Leland Cyprus trees trimmed with my EGO hedger and extention pole. Love not having to use a ladder.

Reminds me of Harry Potter

You're funny! Is the top photo Victoria Falls? As for the lower photo, that could be the Dolomites in Italy, but also Austria, Switzerland, or Bavaria. If it's the Dolomites, I have driven the Great Dolomite Road twice and it is incredible!

@A Horse With No Name I started to follow this guy. Wife and I want to have him build us a custom square table for the kitchen that will have 3 chairs per side, total of 12 chairs. His work is amazing. Handcrafted Custom Woodwork | NW Custom Woodwork https://www.instagram.com/p/B7oo_0tBRn6/

These pictures below are not the actual test drive unit, but they are close. This was an XT6 in the showroom. I think this one may have an upgraded interior over the one I test drove. I'll be able to weed out the photo duplicates later.