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You can't call yourself "science guy" and then say no point of going to space. Science has always been about discovery of unknown and pushing the boundaries of known. If people wouldn't be willing to expand and learn and discover, we still would live in the original caves we came from and hunt with spears. There are so many innovations that came out from trying to push the boundaries, exploring. Exploring space gave a huge amount of things we use daily now. Take as an example that small helicopter flight that this whole discussion started. Flying on Mars is an equivalent of flying on Earth at 87000 feet. Current Earth record for the helicopter flight is about 41000 feet. I think it is in our nature to be curious, to explore and to expand. Either it is good or bad is up for discussion.

https://jalopnik.com/the-evos-is-the-future-of-ford-sedans-like-it-or-not-1846721014 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36166446/lincoln-zephyr-concept-revealed-china/

Wow, just wow. You of all people is a moon landing and NASA conspiracy theorist??? I am literally in shock.

Seems Toyota is in the news and NOT for good reasons. Toyota has been leading a campaign of suing countries, regional and local governments as they fight what they believe is fake climate change pushing their ICE agenda and Hydrogen agenda as the future. From Europe, Asia and even in the US they have been spending money on lobbying groups and lawyers to fight ICE bans that start in 2030. This is heavily due to Toyota investing heavily in Hybrids and Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles that it says is the future of transport. Now Toyota is reevaluating it's anti-climate agenda since European, Asian and North American large investment funds have stepped up their pressure to dump Toyota as an investment stock. Four global funds managing $235 Billion in assets all related to Toyota are representing their investors demands for Toyota to step up and support carbon neutrality. These large institutional investors have warned Toyota that this cannot be a PR move but must be a clear end to their role in negative climate lobbying based on their support of the past US administration, lawsuits against California and other negative viewed attacks across Europe and Asia. Toyota finds itself in an unusual light as they just settled a $180 million dollar fine with the US Justice Department due to Toyota delaying the required filing of emissions-related defects that show millions of Toyota Auto's produce far higher levels of ICE emissions than they stated. Investment funds from Danish investment companies, UK, Sweden and Norway has stated that if the executive management team does not make real valid changes, they will first introduce a measure at 2022 shareholders annual general meeting and if Toyota still does not make changes, they could sell off the $235 Billion portfolio in Toyota. End result is that Toyota has a PR nightmare on their hands as the global population puts pressure on auto companies to step up to greener motoring. Toyota to review climate stance as investors turn up the heat | Reuters

It really does. We are such a creative and inqusitive speices. I find both beautiful, and queally desireable as a place to live. Give me Ohio. Phil Hill, his wife Sandy with the stop watches in the rear. A Cutlass, a Monte Carlo, and a T-Bird buried here somewhere. Did I say I liked Ohio for some reason?

This looks so insignificant, but has such huge significance ...

@David says: No Lunar landings @ykX says What are you buzzin'? Its true... ALL of it! @Robert Hall says The NASA lunar landing is insignificant to the problems we got down here on earth NASA to Musk

That's a great reference point and it really puts this flight into a better perspective on how impressive it was.

There are so many effing reasons to believe we actually went. https://youtu.be/UT23ogeC1nI

You can't question something that is an established FACT. It is like flat earthers questioning if the Earth really a globe. I am not going to even discuss this. Honestly, I was of a higher opinion of you.

And we are supposed to trust Musk and want to pay him to go there to live and vacation? ?

? I thought the pope and his minions always sprayed holy venom all the time!

How much you want to bed that's an Ohio plate that's covered up here...

Warrensburg NY ~

Silverado has 2 tiers; the Custom & the LT. You can get a regular cab/8-ft bed in the Custom series; my GMC dealer has a Sierra in that configuration on the floor. ^ The Studebaker above is a '49-53.

My son is getting the hang of the Wayback Machine page. Maybe having too much fun with it! He found some old school C&G stuff, and found my handle. He’s like “ Dad, you’ve almost been on that site for 17 years! You like cars that long?” ? Wow, that made me feel old.........

Did Jalopnik say that is a new Ford Evos? Cool! ? But...did Jalopnik say that FoMoCo called THAT a sedan? (or is that what Jalopnik is calling it?) So...are we NOW gonna be calling these types of vehicles sedans? NOT cool!!! ?

Been a crazy Tuesday, so playing devils advocate and yes it is an established FACT, I agree with you on. But still stirring the pot to see what rises!

I wouldn't mind if he goes to Mars (on his dime) and stays there.

Seems Honda Ridgeline is a truck to respect, they just won their class at the San Felipe 250 off road race. As a class 7 V6 powered truck giving it it's sixth win in Baja racing, four times for Baja 500, once for Baja 1000 and now a win in the San Felipe 250. Honda Ridgeline Claims Class Win at San Felipe 250 (apnews.com)

Parnelli! Neat old SCCA pics. Apologies to Balthazar that the vehicles are post war and pictured in color... Alan Kulwicki....Nasccar was much better back in the day.

Looking at the Mars video, I can see it is actually uglier than Arizona. It’s a vile desert wasteland.

Quite sadly, yes. I r emember someone talking me out of buying and restoring a clean 69 Firebird convertible because only GTO's would have any real value as 60's Pontiac collector cars. T Bird like that was for sale in solid but restorable shape cheap, but I passed on it as it would have low resale even if I did fix it up. But killer design. Today's funny...

^ It's a lovely design but this generation T-Birds are all but ignored by collectors.

Iconic T bird picture...

That's weird.

Look at some of these moves and vibes that you just don't see any more. Things go better with Soul Train! A great chapter of Americana.

Sounds like Florida Man has competition from Arizona Man. https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/19/tire-slasher-severed-finger/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi5hb2wuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHzMi2wUT6KgcDo3NIyYGv0qlF96qoOy0uo2vwzWgS1dbZMEqIgD37BlAnnufs_Tt5nvo6JNsqHxWc74nRK0cn8ltsZWb-dZQEn-aM-D5pOAhzNJ77uTpQYq8o-2hdeOCVBj4DztU5wL0YXg0g3TQW1Ww1HeTbNUWAeSWMVSQItI

Pics from my sons hiking trip...girl is just a hiking buddy, not his girlfriend.

I really dont see a difference of the sedan FoMoCo is proposing for the future, and the one that FoMoCo just canceled... (other than the Audi-ish rear treatment)

I'm very much a science and technology guy, and I'm pretty sure space launches and the moon missions, etc have all happened. But being cynical, I've never seen much point in going to space (beyond launching satellites).. seems like a big money pit...billions and billons of $$$ wasted that could be put to better use to improving life on Earth, IMO. I don't see the value in spreading the scourge of humanity into the solar system, humanity will destroy itself here eventually...better to contain the destruction wrought by humans to Earth.

? Yes if it is actually real. We have not been able to return to the moon which makes the so called moon landings questionable to me. We struggle to keep an international space station going as well as we dumped our own ability to fly our astronauts to the station having to depend on Russia. So many things that make me question how real the Nasa actually is. We see the failures of Space X and others. So I have to wonder just how much have we really been into space? It is cool tech if we actually have a real rover on Mars and a small drone actually survived the trip, landing and actually flew in the atmosphere there.