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One of only three Benz autos ever made I would not kick out of my driveway (again, my wagon bias clearly showing here) and that is 205MPH, which is F'ing insane even for the Autobahn!

EDIT :: sorry, bum math. Tesla stock is down 33%, not 50% - from $900 to $600/share.

• A 50% decline absolutely is time for alarm. And that's not over 5 years, it's over 6 months. • Looking at stock market cap vs. total valuation is like looking at BE market share vs. all vehicle's market share. • Tesla, like all brands short of the top tier, are a mixed bag. One can slot the Model S in the 'luxury' category, but the Model Y & 3 don't fit the bill. Not enough options, colors, features, no unique detailing, starting price in the upper $30's.... they're not luxury. And the Model 3 is the only thing keeping the lights flickering; "if you eliminate that, Tesla goes under". [<- echoes the argument on the F-Series at Ford]

I love the idea of wagons that really haul like that…

That statement is false according to the over all auto news segment. This is just one of many from 2019 when Audi and Jaguar entered with their first BEVs. How Tesla Model X And S Sales Numbers Were Savaged By Audi And Jaguar (NASDAQ:TSLA) | Seeking Alpha This is ACTUAL FINANACIAL REVIEW of LOST MARKET SHARE BY TESLA TO FORD here in 2021 and there are more BEV competition coming this year. Rivian is just one example of a superior truck and SUV so far based on the actual auto details. Tesla lost market share to the Ford Mustang Mach-E - ValueWalk Here is one of the numerous latest reviews which shows Tesla is lagging in the competition at the equal price points. 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. Audi E-Tron, Jaguar I-Pace and Tesla Model 3 - Roadshow (cnet.com) Yes Tesla has areas that are superior to the competition but they also have much that is behind the competition now and Tesla is moving at a Glacial pace to update their auto's where everyone else is moving much faster in refreshing every 2 to 3 years and major updates every 6 to 7 compared to Tesla on an average of 12 years, gonna be 13 by the time the Tesla S Plaid gets out, could even go 14 as Tesla has FAILED at delivering on time. Here is a comparison of 2021 models with some interesting facts. 2021 Tesla Model Y vs. 2021 Jaguar I-Pace Comparison | Kelley Blue Book (kbb.com) Here is the sum up of the comparison and I have to say the writer / tester hit this center on target! QUOTE: There’s no escaping that the 2021 Tesla Model Y starts $18,000 lower than the 2021 Jaguar I-Pace, with even the top Performance trim is still more than $5,000 lower. With more room for cargo and passengers, better MPGe, and a significantly longer range, it’s pretty much a walkover. Yes, the Jag is less practical. But it’s luxurious, elegant, great to drive, better looking, and its 234 miles of range is more than anyone will need 90-plus percent of the time. Your brain says Tesla, while your heart says Jaguar. Here is a current long time Tesla owner who did an indepth drive, 5hrs and traded in his Tesla for a Mach-E and he is very clear as to why! Five-Hour Search Converts Longtime Tesla Owner to Mustang Mach-E Owner By Lunchtime | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com <snip> Chuong added that his Teslas couldn’t match the quality of his new Mach-E. “(It’s) so much better than Tesla,” the Ford convert said. “It felt more solid and more comfortable. You can tell it was built by a company that has experience and there’s attention to detail and making sure it was done right.” <snip>.”

Sorry but since you stated already that Tesla was a "luxury" brand, you don't get to pad Mercedes numbers in with their OBVIOUS NON-LUXURY vans. Try again.

They have two models that have “luxury” pricing while two others (not including the Cybertruck vaporware) that start in the 30s. That’s Ford territory. They are not, overall, a luxury brand. They are more boutique than anything else and that’s no longer the case either since they are no longer the only kids on the EV block. Not sure what you’re not getting here but all the fanboy talk from you does not change ALL THE FACTS brought to you that you have conveniently sidestepped.

Worldwide Mercedes is #1 is luxury sales, they are like 5-1 over Tesla. But I was more referencing the American market since Cadillac, Acura, Infiniti, Lincoln, etc don't have much of a global footprint outside US and China. In 2020 Tesla sold 292,902 units. Mercedes cars sold 274,916, and Mercedes-Benz Vans sold 50,999. BMW sold 278,732 units. Tesla only sold 195,000 in 2019, and yes in 2020 they were the #1 selling luxury brand in the USA. So I am not sure where all this competition is hurting them. More EV's from Ford, VW, or anyone else, is just moving sales from gas to electric, it isn't stealing Tesla sales and taking them down.

I don't know who Gabrielle Union is, but I don't find ANY celebrity endorsement to carry any weight unless they're actively involved in the industry to some capacity... and then with a shaker of salt.

So then the fact that ATP for Tesla is Higher than the Germans is acceptable especially since they outdo Mercedes-Benz. How Tesla's Deliveries Compare With Luxury Rivals Audi, BMW, Mercedes (forbes.com) Quoting from this 2019 story: Tesla delivered 145k Model 3s in 2018, luxury market leader Mercedes delivered 2.4 million vehicles, with BMW delivering 2.1 million. Model 3 average selling prices are higher compared to Audi, BMW, and Mercedes So then your saying that a auto company that sells 145K auto's is better than one that sells 2.4 million? So then the EQS is truly not as good as the Plaid Tesla S. SO then HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN Global LOST Market Share, Dropping Stock price and pretty much every market looking at other auto companies BEVs in comparison to Tesla if they are the Golden standard?

What’s funny is, yes, you did state that and mentioned about every luxury make except Benz, which Tesla also outsells. Interesting that you failed to mention that. Next time just post the Tesla and Daimler Pom poms and remove all doubt here.

What a crock. You wouldn’t accept these shortcuts from GM or Ford but give a free pass to Tesla. You also, once again, skip everything else said here to openly promote more half truths and made scenarios. Why haven’t they already, you said? Umm, take a look around. They are all working on that now hence them losing market share. Are you even paying actual attention to what’s going here and what’s being said? Screw five years ago. This is today and today Tesla is facing actual competition from damn near everyone else while taking short cuts with their products. Surely that kind of nonsense won’t hurt them. Just ask 1970-2010 GM.

• The quickest production RPO V8 is quicker than the quickest Tesla to date. 'course; it's basically a production drag car... but it's quicker. • Tesla's not really a luxury brand... other than the pricing. • Tesla has raised pricing 5 times this year and has issued 2 recalls last month alone. They don't have the quality where it should be. • Tesla does still have advantages, such as huge presence in the BE segment... but I'm reminded right here about how just talking about BE market share is a "horrible" metric, so by extension so too must it be horrible to say 'Tesla has BE's but Cadillac, genesis, etc do not'. Are we going to use the motive power as a 'wall' or not? Lyriq looks really good from what they've shown so far... but we have to wait until the production unit is revealed. But to date, it blows the Model X out of the water as a luxury vehicle.

Interesting speed video.

Kind of pimped, but damn, I love the lines on these. Also, I miss Ocnblu's automotive content. He liked these also and kind of turned me on to these.

Some guys are really in touch with the wierd part of their inner teenage boy, this appeals to them. ] Largest bat in the world, harmless, in Philippines. Not the kind of music we usually listen to, but look at the Firebird at the one minute mark....Balthazar and Oldshurst... Boeing can't catch a break...

Dang, I'm so sorry for you loss. As Drew has said, we're like a bunch of siblings who will argue to the teeth over petty things but in the end, we'll always be there for each other through whatever is going on. I know we don' know each other but if you want to vent to talk about anything or even just type it out to send, feel free to PM me.

At that point...you shouldnt give two shytes about what anybody else thinks. If you feel like talking to him, well talk to him. He'll be listening! And if anybody judges you for it, to heck with all of 'em!

Just so very sorry for your loss. Carry on the good memories you have with him. That is the best medicine I can prescribe.

Can’t believe i missed this....so sorry ! Sending my condolences, and a big hug. So sorry my friend.....

Wishing you all the best as you move forward, celebrate his life and the wonderful memories you have of him.

Very sorry to hear that, my condolences.

My condolences.

Appreciate you bringing this to our attention Drew. Paulie, so sorry that you lost a loved one so unexpectedly. Wishing you all the best in finding peace and healing as you move forward day by day. If there is anything you need please hit me up. Wishing you all the best.

Very sorry to hear. Hope you somehow find healing & peace.

I never said Tesla was a Gold standard. I am stating they came from nothing 10 years ago to be the #1 selling luxury brand in the USA, and worldwide they did about 500k units last year, and that is better than a lot of other luxury brands did, and Tesla only has 4 models too, imagine if they had 6-7 models they could sell even more. Tesla isn't going to be an easy brand to beat, especially when it comes to EV's. And I don't know if the the EQS to Model S comparison is even that fair, the EQS might have a starting price nearly $50k higher and it is a foot longer. So the EQE is probably a better competitor, which we should know specs on that by fall since it goes on sale in 2022. And still 6 times more valuable than GM and 9 times more valuable than Ford as of today. So probably not yet time to sound the panic alarm.

Sure they take short cuts, but they do a lot of things well too. And as I stated, they outsell several luxury brands with no marketing budget. If you want performance, the V8s can't compete with the electric motors, so Tesla still has a performance advantage over other luxury brands. And if you just want an EV, Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Genesis, Land Rover, all don't have an EV. Tesla still has a lot of advantages in their favor. It won't be that easy for the competition to just squash them out. And if it was, why haven't they already? 5 years ago, all those luxury brands outsold Tesla, now Tesla outsells them all except maybe Lexus.