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All I am saying is in GM’s promo video they talk a lot about race cars, super cars, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are mentioned by name, the best of Europe are mentioned. If GM’s marketplace machine is saying that, then the car better back it up. And I imagine a turbo and hybrid versions are in the works, but I would hope it isn’t too long a delay, because the aftermarket crowd will turbo or supercharge the current Stingray I’m sure, GM is missing out by being able to sell that direct from factory.

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Not ambiguous at all...when they talk race car, they mean the C8R. Pretty effin' obvious. No one is comparing a street car to an F1 car. But you are so obtuse, you can't see that.

That comment shows how little you know of motorsports. Also, the C8R doesn't even race in the prototype class.. it races in the GTLMPro class in FIA WEC. Learn something about motorsports then come back.. (I’ve been a motorsports enthusiast for over 40 years and know a thing or two about the various series). Time to block you, no value in seeing your pointless posts anymore.

It is a BOF vehicle, though, so swapping a frame is probably not an unusual thing, like with trucks. It's designed to be unbolted and put back together.

Who said anything about comparing the CR-8 to an F1 car?????? You’ve truly lost the plot. Stop acting obtuse. You do realize there are many forms of racing besides F1? The Corvette has competed and won in various sports car series for years...

Again, missing the point with your apples to oranges comparisons. That Miata does not race in the same series as the Vette any damn way. The point here is that IT IS BUILT FROM A ROAD SERIES RACING VETTE. Show me the Miata or Ferrari in this race. Maybe you missed where F1 racing isn't the only high speed racing on the planet earth. https://www.imsa.com/weathertech/results/ And again, only YOU are comparing the Vette to F1 cars because you don't think it's actually from a race car. This is from the road series racing Vette. Familiarize yourself.

So found out the back story on this. A new 2021 Escalade ESV was sold, the frame on the new auto had a major defect. GM is paying the dealership to replace the frame on the auto, a 4 to 6 week job according to my service tech. Hello GM, give them a new Escalade and take the defective one back. I would not want a brand new full Size SUV to be torn down and rebuilt onto a new frame. that is just crazy.

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Sorry but the only thing those engines have in common is the "5.5L". Everything else is literally apples to oranges between the two. Good grief. Of course they are talking about performance. Stop trying to take passive piss on GM just because it's a Chevy that will run down cars costing three times the dough while having a fraction of the long term reliability. You knew, from the start, what they were talking about. Then might I suggest expanding your race car knowledge? Again, no one had that misconception of a thought other than the resident Mercedes fan looking to take more pot shots at a domestic.

Interesting, My sister Katie loves her Escalade but wantws to trade it in on a Bronco 4 door when they become more available. She is a powerful attourney so methinks she can afford to do just that. Sometimes the times of trasition are the most frightening. I am sure you are man enough to handle it with aplomb and protect your family. Godspped, sir. If Oldshurst was a Bunny....

My my... You are very offensive against the Z06 and very defensive... Why?

You mean the 'no low-end torque' that squirts it 0-60 in 2.6-sec?

Talked to my (our) lawyer today. Talked to a notary also. Not quite official, but it looks like major changes are coming. Maybe. Maye the course will right itself. Maybe it wont. Whatever happens, its not for now, but in the very near future. Bitter sweet situations as the other situation is very sweet indeed.

And all I’m saying that you need to expand your racing horizons. The Vette has just as much racing cred as the Germans. And I’m with ccap. That’s some big talk about delays given your worship over the oft delayed AMG One. The Vette will be just fine and the next bump will come soon, just in time for a fresh new round of excuses from the German car fan club.

Has the C8R not backed it up already? Some person worrying about delays ... *AMG One*

So (after yet another page wasted on German car fans), I just want to say this. This is only the beginning for the C8 and for once, I am looking forward to seeing what they put out next.

Nobody gives a FCK about the manufacturer championship. It's all about the driver championship.

Toyota also gave the option to replace their Tacomas (pretty sure that’s what you’re referring to). Also, this is a $100K luxury SUV we are talking about, not a twenty year old Tacoma that only developed its issue after exposure to rust, unlike that Slade being defective right off the bat.

He's just sour that his beloved Mercedes is going to lose the F1 crown this year to Max in a Honda-powered RedBull car.

Maybe you should read this article, detailing some of that ride quality you think won't exist because of the engine. Judging by your normal level of non-researched criticisms here, it should be very informative for you and help you see where you are wrong regarding the ride quality. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-c8-first-ride-review/

Old Woodworking machine pic for today. Thanks.

'28-29 Ford Model A pickup.

By that same token, German fanboys like yourself touted those high revving engines while slamming the push rod origins of the Vette. Now that they are moving towards a more modern setup for it, you try to flip the script by saying "Well, Vette fans talked smack about then" while ignoring your own levels of smack talk about push rod engines from GM. And I'm sorry, but I (and anyone with common sense) will take 670HP N/A track oriented demon over some twin turbo driven nonsense that will add to the grenade factor before you hit 75K miles. BTW, Lamborghini sales are up because of an SUV being in their lineup now. Last I checked, the Urus doesn't compete with the Vette so their original point stands.

Aslo, hey Balthy.....can't figure out what car this is. Icon just finished by my friend Nicholas... This was cool, in Fort Lauderdale historical society museeum... Friends on a WV trip... Rover, Jeep, and New Bronco in Cactus Grey in Fort Lauderdale on Los Olas. Also from my Florida trip.

You stated a 'lack of low-end torque' meant it would be worse on the street than the Stingray, but it's quicker there, too. It's already in the engineering phase. Z06 is not the end of the performance line, despite you claiming the base Corvette was all there would be.

Not defensive at all. I like the idea of a DOHC V8, if I were GM I would have put twin turbos on it and given it all wheel drive. And I might have made it 3.99 liter to skirt the displacement taxes in international markets that they want to compete in, but given the Corvette's price advantage to other mid-engine sports cars, maybe the displacement tax wouldn't be that big a deal and they could just roll with the 5.5 V8. My car has a 5.5 liter DOHC V8 and I like it a lot, I am sure a 5.5 DOHC V8 in the Corvette will be great there too. It sounds good in the video. Although to be clear, I wouldn't buy any of these track focused sports cars, I'd rather have a Mercedes SL than an AMG GT or a 911 GT3 RS, give me luxury and comfort over track performance. It's plenty fast. But the M5 comes in standard, Competition, and CS. The CS is what I was referencing as it is the top M5. But on a track, I'm sure the Z06 will easily beat an M5 because of weight, grip, aero, etc. The M5 CS is faster than a Stingray around a tack, but I would expect the Z06 to make that up. A Tesla Model X can do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, I am sure that is garbage on a track, probably garbage on a country back road, so that is why I think straight line speed isn't really going to matter anymore, because everything is getting fast in a straight line.

Yeah they will! You are forgetting that 1. The Corvette in general has had a LOYAL fan base TRACKING the car since the late 1950s... 2. The TRACK oriented Z06 model has had a LOYAL fan base TRACKING the car BECAUSE of the Corvette Racing program since the C5. The LOYAL fans, as much as they love that muscle car low end grunt of their Corvettes, they DO track their Corvette and with THIS engine, NOW they finally match the handling of a race car with the RIGHT and SUITED engine for tracking. The LS7 revved to 7000 RPM. They applauded that. They complained about the C7 Z06 BECAUSE it didnt REV that high and it wasnt N/A... 3. Corvette picked up quite a FEW new fans along the way with the C8. Fans that come from Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren. They LOVE the PUSHROD muscle car engine. But now, with this new LT6. They will feel right at home. So yeah! I dunno why you would wanna try to find negatives. There are none. Not with the 460 ft/lbs of torque. Not with the choice of using this engine. But...it aint a German car therefore it wont impress you. Like ever.

Its finally here! 670 HP. The most powerful NATURALLY ASPIRATED V8. And it will probably BE that way! 460 ft/lbs of torque. It is a track car after all. In contrast, the LT6 5.5 liter revs to 8600 per minute. And what a song it sings!

At my local Cadillac dealership, getting an oil change on the Escalade. Seems to have become a once a year thing now that I work from home. Interesting observation for what is one of the largest dealerships in Washington state. ZERO New Escalade's in stock, 2 used. ZERO New XT's in stock. Signage saying pre-orders being taken. 1 New CT4 and 2 New CT5 V editions in stock. A hand full of lower trim CT 4 &5 cars. Interesting is they have a new frame delivered and Waiting to be installed on an Escalade. Why stored upside down I think rather than on the delivery legs?

I had just finished up with a doctor's appointment and there was a Cadillac dealership right across the street. I don't usually look at Cadillacs but, since it was right across the street, I thought I'd look at their entry-level vehicle, the CT4. There was one in the showroom and it made for sticker shock. That's because it was the Blackwing edition, the top of the line. I was told that they are having trouble getting cars in general and that there was one slightly used or demo of the more basic CT4 on the lot. I told the lady there was no sense in opening it up since I was just looking. I'll do this review in pro and con style, like @regfootball does, to be concise Pros: - an entry level Cadillac with a base MSRP under $ 35K - rear wheel drive (depends where you live) - sunken in feel from driver's seat like that of a race car driver (this isn't your father's Cadillac) - styling that hearkens to the 2000s CTS (familiar, sensible); attractive in front view, side view, and front angled views, except for the overly long dip of the turning lamp relative to the rest of the grille - a 2.0 engine that has been around quite a while - an engine that's centered in the engine bay - nice fit and finish - roomy trunk - rake of the roofline and greenhouse provide sight lines that, I assume, most people prefer and rear headrests do not encroach much - the canted inward outline of the trunk lid is interesting and novel for a Cadillac sedan Cons: - there is no engine in the line-up that is NOT turbocharged - rear wheel drive (depends where you live) - sunken in feel from driver's seat like that of a race car driver (I adjusted the seat upward, and it still wasn't to my liking) - styling that hearkens to the 2000s CTS (safe); a little clumsy in rear angled views, owing to the taillamp design - GM dials and switches found across all the divisions - price can climb quickly by adding on option packages; many paints are extra cost, but not absurdly priced; the up-level trims become garish, in my opinion - the height of the console surface is still a little high, but certainly better than that of the 2017-2019 LaCrosse, for example - rear seat leg room - - - - - I think it's nice that Cadillac has this car in their line-up. You can bet that it has a leather steering wheel. (Put together a Malibu, in LT form, and it does NOT have a leather steering wheel as standard unless you opt for one of the hefty packages and it will push that car's MSRP toward $30K.) I've seen videos of this car in motion and I like it. I built one and had it come in at around $ 37 K. PHOTOS EXTERIOR For me, less is more - I much prefer a more basic model than the Blackwing Mostly nice shapes "Different" for being a Cadillac INTERIOR Decent fit and fish; infotainment center nicely positioned Leather wheel, but switches just like on any other GM car Console surface still a little high for my taste The rake of the roofline and C-pillar area works for me for changing lanes and such Get rid of that clutch (joking, the Blackwing has a manual shift option ... the base model comes with an 8 speed automatic) Rear seat leg room Nice rear headrests and interesting detailing of the leather seats I'm not so sure I like those contraptions on both side of the front seat headrests Rear vents and power/USB port Nicely sized and deep trunk END OF REVIEW

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A BMW M5 does that and it's a big sedan. Lots of things can go fast in a straight line now. The Z06 has 10 less lb-ft than the Stingray, and at a higher RPM, that is what I meant about Z06 being more for the track than the road. That being said, on a track 0-60 doesn't really matter, because you aren't doing it, the 60-120 mph and 100-150 mph pulls are what matter more, and I would assume this engine up in the 5-8,000 rpm range will be really good in track environments. Still waiting on that Nurburgring lap time on this one.

I think Corvette fans will like it, but funny that they went with an Italian or Japanese style high rev NA engine when for years Corvette fans bashed that same thing. The Germans are about twin turbos, at least recently, BMW was making an 8400 rpm NA V10 16 years ago, and I don't remember Corvette fans calling for an engine like that in 2005. Lamborghini sales are up 20% this year, on pace for their all time sales record. So they aren't hurting or losing business.

The M5 CS is faster than the Competition, it does it in 2.6 seconds. But tons of stuff is fast 0-60 and EV's will make 0-60 a meaningless number because everything will be fast in a straight line. So what will matter is handling, brakes, grip, aero, the stuff that actually makes you fast on a track. It is just hard for the marketing people to advertise grip and handling because there isn't an easy to understand number like 0-60 to use as a measuring stick. I think this C8 offers a crap ton of performance per dollar, in that regard it is an amazing value. Chevy is comparing it to super cars, which is a loose term, so sure you can call it supercar performance, but there is a lot of cars with supercar performance now too. Mark Reuss said in the video they want to target BMW, Mercedes and Porsche, maybe he means on a performance level, because the Corvette isn't there on a luxury level or dealership level. But if he is just talking performance, then they better bring it. Also a lot of "race car" talk on the promo video, "race car" can be another ambiguous term, because if I hear race car, I think Formula 1 car, and no road car even holds a candle to an F1 car. They are over selling a bit here, but I get it they are trying to get people excited about it, I'm sure it's a thrilling car to drive, but it isn't a race car.

BMW did the high rev engine thing, Audi and Mercedes never really did, and they all went heavy on turbos 10 years ago and are going into electrified now. They don’t sit still with one idea, they keep advancing. Lamborghini had the Urus the past 2 years also. Sales are up because the existing models are up. Mercedes still has the team lead. Max is a phenomenal driver. We’ll see what happens in the final few races, Red Bull and Honda brought the fight this year, Mercedes biggest challenge in 8 years. But you could have a Miata race series and a stock Ferrari would smoke that race car. A CR8 compared to an F1 car is not even close.

Formula 1 is the pinnacle of racing. LeMans prototype is like college football compared to the NFL. Everything else is like JV High School ball.