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Oh sht, & thought you were going to say the number was higher than expected. Personally, I only know one person who rolled negative equity to a new vehicle "but" it was downsizing to a focus from a Ram because he was driving a sht ton and 15mpg wasn't cutting it.. he rolled like 8k into the focus loan. Hard to believe it was still a good idea but he's kept the focus for 4 years now and I talked to him the other day about this actually and he'd still be upside down if he tried to trade it in now be he has no intentions of doing anything until it's paid off. This has never made sense to me. I understand it's a thing but how in the hell do people make tens of thousands of dollars an impulse buy?!?!

This is terrible news.. People just suck at being greedy. You allow people with poor credit to buy cars and they take advantage of that by continuing to trade in and get in more debt for a longer period of time..

Or... Maybe it just isn't as good as we really want it to be.. I would put more weight into our bias than I would professional's bias. they see, sit, and drive basically EVERYTHING on the market. I think they have a better opinion on how things do work vs how they should along with what the competition does. Yes. You don't magically make a car larger and more affordable out of nowhere.. There HAS to be corners cut or sacrifices made to get to that point of a larger car being cheaper. They sacrificed interior things for a superb chassis and engine. Cadillac penalized themselves for doing that. Does Premium Luxury change any of the issues they had with the car? CUE will still suck, the materials will still be all over the place(according to them), but they already complimented the quality of leather being used.

The driveline was not the issues that they mentioned though. They didn't mind the 2.0T and they thought the chassis was superb. It was the interior that they didn't like and it would be the same on the TT3.0 AWD.

It might be drastically revised but the issues they had with it are unacceptable at this point.. When it first came out..and some revisions..okay. That's understandable. It's new. But "as it froze multiple times before eventually crapping out, taking USB connectivity and charging with it." That just cannot happen, to me, in a 50k car let alone the 100k this car can approach. I mean if that happened on a test drive, game over. I wouldn't buy something where the infotainment system is all over the place with consistency.

I couldn't agree more. At the level of cars that approach 100k "bargain" shouldn't be a thing. It should just be great, period. Also, completely agree. It sounds like the driver's car of the luxury barge world but... nobody will ever give a crap about that when looking to purchase. It would have made more sense to go all-in on the interior and leave a less nailed down ride because frankly, it means waaaaay more in cars this size. It's probably the most "luxurious" in its class. It isn't the driver's car but it's the most luxurious.

LOL Yeah they aren't known to be the most reliable vehicles on the road...

..or the performance..

I could probably just blend your two lists and be completely content without even making one of my own. I love those lists. Raptor, F-Type(I'd need a coupe - Saw a white one today actually! ), ATS-V, JGC SRT, and I'd probably finish the list off with the 50th Anniversary.

I was thoroughly surprised when I came to read this and read the results and I think it is the best looking of the group and it sounds like it(and all new Cadillacs) have been nailing the driving portion of the car. But a major bummer on the interior and yet again CUE. How long will it take them to sort that out??? It looks like Cadillac was going for "value for size". rather than just being the best and that's disappointing. CT6 vs E300 vs S90 Here's the intro but you can read the full comparison at the above link. " Large luxury cars used to be powered by throaty, grumbling eight-cylinder engines. Cadillac had its old Northstar V-8s, Mercedes-Benz a 4.3-liter, and Volvo a 4.4-liter V-8 in the mid-priced offerings. But downsizing is all the rage these days, and all three of those manufacturers’ new mid-priced offerings are powered by diminutive 2.0-liter four-cylinder engines. Our testing suggests that you might not miss those extra cylinders. The segment stalwarts are the ones leading the downsizing charge. The 2017 Mercedes-Benz E300 Sport is the German automaker’s bread-and-butter mid-priced midsize sedan. Starting at around $50K and selling well-equipped for nearly 70 large, the E-Class targets the heart of the luxury sedan market with semi-autonomous driving technology, baby S-Class luxury, and a four-cylinder engine cranking out a respectable 241 hp. Cadillac has historically been synonymous with big engines. It sold high-tech V-16 engines through the middle of the Great Depression and has been known for its high-power V-8s since the ’60s. Yet its stunning don’t-call-it-a-flagship 2017 Cadillac CT6 2.0T Luxury offers an engine with a quarter of the cylinders of its V-16 cars, a tried-and-true 2.0-liter turbocharged I-4 making a stout 265 hp. You can always count on the Swedes to be just a little bit different. Although the 2017 Volvo S90 T6 AWD Inscription makes just as much of a visual impression as the Caddy and Merc, it differs ever so slightly under the hood. Yes, it too has a 2.0-liter four-banger, but the S90’s is twin-charged, featuring both a supercharger and a turbocharger. The end result is a potent little engine making 316 hp. That’s V-8 territory. So are these small-engined thoroughbreds engaging to drive? Can they deliver flagship luxury?"

It appears it is too extreme for most tastes... Personally, I love it.

I'll start with my brand new list. I guarantee there are still a few I'd like to swap in/out for but here I go.. My daily driver would be a RR Sport, 3.0 S/C - 340hp For some reason I'd want a truck.. Maybe to tow the toys to a track.. Or maybe just to be a douche who has a truck and rarely uses it as a truck. This would likely be the first to swap for something else but I'm not sure what I'd want as a 2016-2017. Anyway, 2017 F150 FX4, 3.5TT - 375hp/470tq I know I always post the same picture but I can't find any good pictures of the '15+ with these wheels and grill, bumper, mirrors(no chrome). Now for the fun stuff! BMW M2 - 365hp - small, RWD, great power:weight ratio. Right in my wheelhouse. 911 Targa 4 - 370hp Focus RS(Forgot this on my preliminary list!!!) This just seems like a freakin blast to hoon. Again, smaller car, AWD, nasty power. I'd just like to open up the intake and exhaust a bit and slap a tune on her and it'd probably be a 400hp+ car easily. Honorable mention goes to the F-Type. I think it is one of the sexiest cars in production(in coupe form). But not being able to get the V8 kind of ruins it.. Just knowing it isn't exactly what I would want..

Trumped my Termi. While, if I'm being honest, I think the Termi is a more personally desirable car the Cobra R is just special because of WHAT it is. It's one of those cars that is greater than the sum of its parts. I also think the front splitter takes way the look on this car a little to me. Fun fact, It uses a standard V6 Mustang rear bumper because the exhaust exits out of the side.

It's easiest for me to just do the newest stuff as well. The older cars on my list are just ones I've always liked so I didn't really have to put any thought into them other than to double check their power levels. Maybe I'll do a "new" list and a "used" list. That might make this easier for me.

Yes, More Porsches and more BMWs. So many to choose from. I'm not a huge fan of the older stuff. My line is kind of drawn at the E46 and E39 for BMW and the current and previous gen(maybe last 2 gens) of 911's. Ahhh I could have sworn it was 30Xhp. Well that's easy to strike off the list then. Some of mine are actual dream cars, some of them are lame daily drivers that I'd love to drive daily like the Mecan, Rover, and C43 and then some old school muscle that is just bad-ass.

I'm just going to post my current list for sh!ts. I'm really not even sure what to keep from this at all. -2004 Terminator Cobra - 390hp -2004 Mach 1 - 305hp -AMG C43 - 362hp -Ferrari 360 - 395hp -Ferrari Testarossa - 390hp -Range Rover Sport 3.0 s/c - 340hp -Jag F Pace - 340hp -Jag F-Type S - 380hp -2017 F150 FX4 - 375hp/470tq -C5 Vette - 350hp -2002 WS6 - 350hp -Supra - 320hp -1970 Pontiac GTO - "366"hp -1968 Z/28 - "350" hp -E46 M3 - 333hp -Mustang EcoBoost - 310hp -Cayman S - 350hp -911 Targa - 370hp -Mecan GTS - 360hp -Golf R - 305hp -ZR2 - 306hp

Ha, I didn't even think of Porsche.. You have one of mine in there but mine isn't a Spyder. It was probably my favorite car while growing up. GREAT list!

This is probably the most broad range for me. I don't think I could have done 35 for sub-200hp but probably 200-299 I could. 35 is a lot though.. It'd get sketchy lol I have 13 cars for 300-399hp right now... Whatever I get up to I might just post the whole list for sh!ts and then narrow it down.

Hahaha are we matching cars to people's classes/races/income levels??? Seems fun but hilarious at the same time.

I second Frisky. GREAT list!

I am not watching it.. what's it about? I am the opposite of you guys in the sense that I watch a ton of TV/Netflix/HBOGo as I have a 40 minute bus ride twice a day that has wifi.. It's pretty easy for me to go through a series like that. ..Gran Turismo..? PS3, right? I hardly ever play anymore as I don't really have the time but we should swap PS names and play together some time!

The GF would only want like 5 G-Wagens though.. lol I guess hers is an older G500 that's only like 305hp or something like that. Hahaha 35 car list.. Well, it wouldn't be all that difficult to do at this hp range.

Crap. I already have like 10 cars on a list and I'm not even done. No clue how I will get this down to 5. Yeah, why does the Challenger have the better interior?!?! That Challenger interior looks sharp as hell.

NICE! Are the numbers supposed to be similar to the 2.2 that's in other diesel Mazdas? They had two versions in the Mazda 6 a 148p/280tq and 173hp/310tq. I would have a feeling it would be the lower powered version but 173hp/310tq would be money for me.

It's not like it used to be back in '04.. Now it's basically a 24hr sale starting freakin' Thanksgiving evening(which I find absolutely ridiculous). I actually didn't mind working that shift because there was sooooo much going on and people everywhere you could get away with just walking around and not doing jack $h! for one day...the busiest day.. lol But when I transferred to the tire/lube shop it was just hella busy with tire sales and I think I had to be there by 5am. Oh it is definitely moving that way. People are sick and tired of the crowds, lines, traffic, assholes, etc. and it is so much easier to just go to Amazon or Walmart.com and order anything you need. Walmart's website is nearly Amazon as they have different 'sellers' the same way Amazon does it.