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You're saying cars are tested before they are shown publicly? YA DONT SAY!! So add 1 year to everything ever made, duh. I'm not stupid nor is anybody else here when it comes to that. That also makes the BMW, Merc, and Audi a year older as well. So the F30/31 3 Series has also been around since 2011(2009 if you want to include spy shots of test vehicles..F30 Test Mule ) and still does everything better than the ATS(okay, marginally worse "dynamics" ).. excuses? But But But.. GM.. Dude, I love the ATS. I'm looking at buying an ATS. I'm just not blind that it isn't the "best" all around car in the class and it hasn't been around as long as it's all around superior competition and that doesn't make me want it any less either.

Random, but have @Cubical-aka-Moltar And @surreal1272 ever met? You guys live in the same area, don't you??

The engine might still have to go through EPA testing and stuff like that to finalize numbers and whatnot. Yeah terrible analogy because McDonald's absolutely makes the worst burgers and the F150 isn't the worst truck. I don't like the chrome either.. I'm just not a fan of a ton of chrome. My girlfriend had her wiper blades/arm/motor fckd from a car wash as well. Manufacturers should eliminate wiper blades because of crappy car washes.

Wow quite the refresh. I like it. I'm not 100% on the front end changes yet. I'm kind of indifferent on the front end. I'm not sure if it looks better or equally good to me yet. Surprised with all of the powertrain changes though. 3.3L V6? Interesting. Hopefully it doesn't need more revs for those same output numbers though.

The Yaris rental I have does NOT have auto lights or daytime running lights.. I thought it was odd for a 2016 vehicle. My dads Tacoma does though. There's also like a 10-12k price difference..but still.

I'll do another because I tend to love Mercedes quite a bit.. and hate KIA. Possibly more so after looking at their site for two vehicles. I'm pretty confident I would ball out in an AMG GT and a CLS63 S The KIAs on the other hand.. uhhhh.. I think the Optima looks pretty good and I guess a Sorento for space.

Well I think I'll go with Ford as my favorite(although if I was very wealthy I would only consider these two anyway) brand. Raptor GT350(R) Single brand that I don't like.. I wish I could say Toyota but I've always liked the Tacoma and they've had some gnarly of road shet. Therefore I won't lie to sneak a Taco and Land Cruiser into my garage. Nissan on the other hand.. Hate'm. Nothing Nissan makes me want to even give them a second look. My first instinct was to say FCA as a whole because I hate it so much that they're just letting great brands just rot away. Well, the two Nissan POS's I'll go with are... GT-R(Honestly, completely forgot about the GT-R because it doesn't really do a whole lot for me but I'd say I scored a big win for a brand I hate so much). I'm torn between the Armada as a people and thing hauler or the Maxima just because it isn't a 7 ton shetty SUV and I don't want to HAVE to take the Raptor everywhere. I guess an Armada in Platinum trim as to be fairly nice, right? SHET! After I typed all of that I forgot about the GT! I know the monetary value of a GT over a GT350 is insane but I honestly think I'd just want to be able to drive the car without worrying about anything.. so the GT350R is for me.

Didn't it get a refresh in 2015? or was it 2016? I know it was mild but personally I loved the replacement of the wreath with the crest in the grill. Hahaha thanks!

Sorry @oldshurst442 I tried to 'one up' your response to me but I got this as a response! "You are not allowed to give reputation to this user." WTF? THANKS OBAMA!

aaaaaaaaand things got overly political again.. lol

If you read the link.. which you didn't.. that's how long the car has been on sale which was 6 months after it's showing to the press. Hence, the half of a year. JABRONI!

You need better maths(or reading skillz). "Cadillac debuted the ATS to the press in the United States in January 2012, placed the ATS into production in July 2012 and began selling the ATS in the United States in August 2012 as a 2013 model. GM began selling the ATS in China in November 2013. For the 2016 model year, Cadillac sells the ATS in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, the Middle East, China, Japan, and South Korea." 2017-2012 = __ I'll leave that blank for you and your smartass-ness to fill in. Also, less than a week ago people we still saying the same thing that the ATS needs a refresh, in 2016. The call for a refresh didn't happen only 6 days ago.

For the low-low price of...? Also, you've driven a lot of vehicles. Have you driven a refreshed Focus('15+)? I've read that their transmission tuning has improved but I'm yet to pilot one

JEALOUS. I LOVE the S3.

This is part of my issue as well.. if it was a whole company GM really does have about everything covered in one flavor or another.

Mmmmm This sounds fun! Saying "favorite" is difficult to me though because I think I'm pro-Ford because I don't have a ton of money. Otherwise I would likely be all up Mercedes ass with RWD V8s still hanging around in most of their cars.

Where are you getting 5 and 6 from? Wasn't the first model year 2013 and would have come out late 2012?

50% of those cars pictured look gorgeous. 50% of those cars pictured look like they belong in 1999 with their pre-athletic cars.

Yes. lol I love 2 out of those 3! I just hate everything about the XTS..and I know it's irrational but I've just never liked it and I think because everything else Cadillac makes is so awesome to me that this is just an oddball. Whereas nothing Lincoln makes is super awesome and the Continental is the oddball out in a good way.

Yeah I think for the versatility I'm kind of stuck on hatchbacks.. Plus they look sporty! I think I'm going to try and drive a couple small hatches this weekend in a Focus and actually a Sonic(Titanium and RS/LTZ, respectively). Numbers-wise, a Verano Turbo is exactly what I'd like. Here's one that is a little more up my alley. '14 Verano Turbo

You can't knock A Golf for being too small and accept the Verano for its size. They're both compact cars. Definitely not cheaply made materials in a GTI. I can't speak for their longevity and all around reliability but they have less hard plastics inside than most in its respective class.

Definitely! And the Continental is 11 inches longer with an 8.6 inch longer wheelbase along with being about 4 inches wider as well..than a Camry..

Uh oh... lol Edit: Ohhhhh I gotcha

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