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The current Jeep Grand Cherokee that we love here at Cheers & Gears uses the bones of the Mercedes-Benz ML-Class (now GLE-Class) that was developed during the DiamlerChrysler era. But with a new owner in the form of Fiat, it would make sense that next Grand Cherokee would use a platform from them. But which one? Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' CEO Sergio Marchionne said it would likely be an Alfa Romeo one.

“The most natural application of a further evolution of the Alfa Romeo platform is the Grand Cherokee,” Marchionne told Autocar during the Detroit Auto Show.

“We’re finishing off the study now, but I’m going on the basis of the latest information, which is that it will be the basis upon which the Grand Cherokee will be developed, unless something happens in the next 60 days that suggests it isn’t doable. That would really complete the story of architectural development for us because I think it would certainly nail in a big piece of the Jeep story.”

This likely means the Grand Cherokee will be based on the Giorgio that underpins the Giulia and upcoming Stelvio crossover. Autocar says the next-generation Grand Cherokee will come out in either 2018 or 2019. We think that isn't likely and would put 2020 as the earliest date.

Source: Autocar
Pic Credit: William Maley for Cheers & Gears


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IMHO, this is a good thing.  It is still RWD based and the current GC is unibody/fully independent suspension anyway.  It also should come with some serious weight savings.  I wonder if it ma get a little tidier in dimensions too since the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are now confirmed. 

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:scratchchin: This should be an interesting mess. To quote CCAP41, " Hello Reliability!" 

Guess they have to figure out some way to justify the billions stolen for a platform that has not even sold what 100 cars here yet in the US?

Sergio = :palm:

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Will they be putting a big Vagina Grill on the Wrangler.

Seriously, I am not sure this is a smart move as I have more faith in Chrysler engineering than Alfa/Fiat engineering. Do not disagree unless you have actually turned a wrench on a Alfa or Fiat.

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13 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

Will they be putting a big Vagina Grill on the Wrangler.

Seriously, I am not sure this is a smart move as I have more faith in Chrysler engineering than Alfa/Fiat engineering. Do not disagree unless you have actually turned a wrench on a Alfa or Fiat.

Um, the Wrangler is staying on a version of it's BOF platform that will form the basis of the pickup as well. 

18 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

So the only non Italian Jeep will be the Wrangler? 

 

 

Considering the Wrangler and Wrangler truck are running BOF platforms as will the Wagoneer and grand Wagoneer, not to mention this platform was actually co developed to be used in Alfas and Dodges and you have no point......  as usual.  Hell, they can't win for losing.  people bitch about old platforms and when they come out with a new one people find stupid and babified $h! to bitch about still.  Give it a rest. 

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1 hour ago, Stew said:

I have not seen any reports of bad reliability with this platform?

I have not seen a good report of reliability coming from Italy.

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Just now, ccap41 said:

I have not seen a good report of reliability coming from Italy.

This is a brand new platform though, no reason to naysay it until it has had a chance.  Also, besides the 9 speed, which has nothing to do with the Italian platform, I haven't seen any particular issues with reliability in the Renegade, Cherokee, or even 200.  heck, at this point and actually 16 models, the 9 speed issues are no more. 

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Those aren't Italian.. well the Renegade is. But get on some other public forums/groups where somebody owns one.. I'm a part of a facebook group where two people have Fiat 500L's and they're big-ole-pieces-of-shet. They always have issues. One got rid of his for a Beetle, actually.

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34 minutes ago, Stew said:

Um, the Wrangler is staying on a version of it's BOF platform that will form the basis of the pickup as well. 

Considering the Wrangler and Wrangler truck are running BOF platforms as will the Wagoneer and grand Wagoneer, not to mention this platform was actually co developed to be used in Alfas and Dodges and you have no point......  as usual.  Hell, they can't win for losing.  people bitch about old platforms and when they come out with a new one people find stupid and babified $h! to bitch about still.  Give it a rest. 

A) Um.. ya. I know the Wrangler is staying on its platform . Hence me saying it'll be the ONLY non Italian Jeep.

B) Who knows if there will ever be Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. Supposedly the project is back on...again. With their piss poor finances, delays, cancellations...the 5yrs plan might as well be the 5min plan. 

C) Co developed for Dodge and Alfa???. Until now, not once was there ever a mention about a Jeep based off of the Giorgio. Seeing that pipe dream of 300k Alfa being truly unreachable, FCA need atomization of the costs of this pricey platform beyond what Dodge ( which was delayed until AT LEAST 2020 ) can ever succeed in. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

A) Um.. ya. I know the Wrangler is staying on its platform . Hence me saying it'll be the ONLY non Italian Jeep.

B) Who knows if there will ever be Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. Supposedly the project is back on...again. With their piss poor finances, delays, cancellations...the 5yrs plan might as well be the 5min plan. 

C) Co developed for Dodge and Alfa???. Until now, not once was there ever a mention about a Jeep based off of the Giorgio. Seeing that pipe dream of 300k Alfa being truly unreachable, FCA need atomization of the costs of this pricey platform beyond what Dodge ( which was delayed until AT LEAST 2020 ) can ever succeed in. 

 

 

A.  And the Jeep Truck

 

B.  It was confirmed Sunday including the fact it is body on frame and even which factory will build it.   Pay attention.

C.  Using these platforms across many vehicles is perfectly fine.  All previous GCs have been unibody and still had amazing off-road prowess so i am not at all seeing our point.  Also they are putting their investments first into what is selling and what is popular and then to the less popular and less popular cars.  it makes complete sense from a business standpoint and FCA is above all, a business. 

30 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Those aren't Italian.. well the Renegade is. But get on some other public forums/groups where somebody owns one.. I'm a part of a facebook group where two people have Fiat 500L's and they're big-ole-pieces-of-shet. They always have issues. One got rid of his for a Beetle, actually.

500Ls are POSs and should be killed.  They also look like they were designed when someone looked at a pile dog crap on the ground and thought hey, that is a nice design.  .  I am pretty sure that platform is different than what underpins the rest. 

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 " It was confirmed Sunday including the fact it is body on frame and even which factory will build it.   Pay attention. "

FCA pattern of talking before walking has me paying attention. So until I see Test Mules of the supposed Wagoneers, its all talk. Their actions are what speaks. 

" Also they are putting their investments first into what is selling and what is popular and then to the less popular and less popular cars.  it makes complete sense from a business standpoint and FCA is above all, a business "

It that was the case, RAM would not be pushed back. The upcoming 1500 is only a refresh and now the 2018 HD's heavily updated trucks have been delayed.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

 " It was confirmed Sunday including the fact it is body on frame and even which factory will build it.   Pay attention. "

FCA pattern of talking before walking has me paying attention. So until I see Test Mules of the supposed Wagoneers, its all talk. Their actions are what speaks. 

" Also they are putting their investments first into what is selling and what is popular and then to the less popular and less popular cars.  it makes complete sense from a business standpoint and FCA is above all, a business "

It that was the case, RAM would not be pushed back. The upcoming 1500 is only a refresh and now the 2018 HD's heavily updated trucks have been delayed.

 

 

Haven't exactly seen test mules of the Ranger or Bronco running around and they have roughly the same production schedule.  Sure you are totally fine with that.  As for the Ram, it is only the HDs and is pretty normal they be a year or 2 behind the LD trucks, ie 15 F-150 and 17 Superduty......   Again, you have no idea and I am sure you will vote my comments down since they don't agree with you, you child.  

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20 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

FCA pattern of talking before walking has me paying attention. So until I see Test Mules of the supposed Wagoneers, its all talk. Their actions are what speaks. 

I have to agree.. too much here-say to believe anything to the 'T' at this point.

4 minutes ago, Stew said:

Haven't exactly seen test mules of the Ranger or Bronco running around and they have roughly the same production schedule.  Sure you are totally fine with that.  As for the Ram, it is only the HDs and is pretty normal they be a year or 2 behind the LD trucks, ie 15 F-150 and 17 Superduty......   Again, you have no idea and I am sure you will vote my comments down since they don't agree with you, you child.  

Because there is a Ranger/Bronco vehicle already out there that they are utilizing for the 2019/2020 vehicles. So the test mules are likely either; not needing additional testing as they already have a Ranger or completely undisguised in other countries with different things under sheet metal(aluminum?).

It isn't that they are putting them out together it is the fact that they had to delay yet another product that is worrisome. I have no issue at all with them coming out together or the timeframe in which the current gen has been out for. It's that it was scheduled for a certain length and got pushed back like a few other products have been as well.

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4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I have to agree.. too much here-say to believe anything to the 'T' at this point.

Because there is a Ranger/Bronco vehicle already out there that they are utilizing for the 2019/2020 vehicles. So the test mules are likely either; not needing additional testing as they already have a Ranger or completely undisguised in other countries with different things under sheet metal(aluminum?).

It isn't that they are putting them out together it is the fact that they had to delay yet another product that is worrisome. I have no issue at all with them coming out together or the timeframe in which the current gen has been out for. It's that it was scheduled for a certain length and got pushed back like a few other products have been as well.

These' are the most concrete confirmations we have had, there is no reason to NOT believe them.  Everything else was from those old 5 year plans or simply heresay.  They are making these investments and starting the retooling processes very soon.  And on your  first part, there is an Alfa SUV and car already out there that the LX replacements and GC, if approved, would be on.  And the definitely coming ram will be the basis for the now  confirmed Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. 

And delays happen in the auto industry all of the damned time. 

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They just so happen to FCA more than anybody else... What was the last GM or Ford vehicle delayed?

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35 minutes ago, Stew said:

Haven't exactly seen test mules of the Ranger or Bronco running around and they have roughly the same production schedule.  Sure you are totally fine with that.  As for the Ram, it is only the HDs and is pretty normal they be a year or 2 behind the LD trucks, ie 15 F-150 and 17 Superduty......   Again, you have no idea and I am sure you will vote my comments down since they don't agree with you, you child.  

I downvoted you for a couple reasons...

1)  As was pointed out by another - your debate skills 

2) Name calling.

 

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2 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

I downvoted you for a couple reasons...

1)  As was pointed out by another - your debate skills 

2) Name calling.

 

Have you ever heard of an old saying?  the pot calling the kettle black.........  And come on, you have downvoted comments that were not even debating with anyone.  it has happened and others just because you don't like them or they disagree with you.  very childish (and that is not name calling BTW)

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6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

They just so happen to FCA more than anybody else... What was the last GM or Ford vehicle delayed?

Focus RS

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/news/a30138/ford-cancels-2016-focus-rs-prodution/

Raptor

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/62281/20161206/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-delivery-delayed-heres-why.htm

Superduty

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/13/ford-super-duty-launch-delay-report/

GM it is more delays of tech, IE Cadillacs Super Cruise was delayed

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14 minutes ago, Stew said:

Did you read the RS link? 

Raptor ( fault in production ) and SD ( parts issue ) delayed a month vs FCA products delayed for years/pushed back

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2 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Did you read the RS link? 

Raptor ( fault in production ) and SD ( parts issue ) delayed a month vs FCA products delayed for years/pushed back

LOL, he asked or examples of delayed vehicles and I gave them.  now you are just pandering because the results don't suity ou 100% again.  Delays are delays. 

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About FCA, they do need to get it in gear and get the product train rolling already. They have not managed it very well where Dodge, Chrysler, and RAM are concerned but hopefully these lastest round of announcements will start bearing real fruit before it's too late. 

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47 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

About FCA, they do need to get it in gear and get the product train rolling already. They have not managed it very well where Dodge, Chrysler, and RAM are concerned but hopefully these lastest round of announcements will start bearing real fruit before it's too late. 

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haha, ou have a point.  I have hope.  The announcement Sunday helped lol.  I am looking most forward to the Wrangler pickup.  they won't be able to keep those on the lots. 

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      The all-new Jeep Compass recorded its best October sales ever. Compass sales were up 81 percent, compared with the same month a year ago. The Jeep Cherokee turned in a 19 percent increase and its best sales month so far this year. Jeep brand retail sales increased 3 percent year over year in October, compared with the same month a year ago. In October, the Jeep Grand Cherokee beat its competition for the seventh-consecutive year at the Texas Truck Rodeo, hosted by the Texas Automotive Writers Association (TAWA). The Grand Cherokee Trailhawk topped the Mid-size SUV category, while the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon won the Off-road SUV category. The Jeep Renegade took the Subcompact SUV category. Additionally, the Jeep Compass Trailhawk took home the Best Value Off-Road award at the Active Lifestyle Vehicle (AVL) competition.
      Ram Truck Brand
      Ram pickup truck sales were up 1 percent in October, compared with the same month a year ago. It was the pickup truck’s best October sales ever. The Ram Truck brand won two pickup truck categories during TAWA’s Texas Truck Rodeo in October. The 2018 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn Southfork won the Luxury Pickup Truck category and grabbed the highest overall interior score. The 2018 Ram 2500 Limited Tungsten topped the Heavy Duty Pickup Truck category. Additionally, the 2018 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn Southfork took home the top award in the High Luxury Off-Road category at the AVL competition.
       
      Dodge Brand
      Sales of the Dodge Charger were up 19 percent while Dodge Durango SUV sales increased 11 percent in October, compared with the same month a year ago. It was the Durango’s best October sales since 2006. The Durango SRT won the Full-size SUV category and received the highest overall performance score during last month’s TAWA competition in Texas. Additionally, the Dodge Durango SRT took home the Luxury Family award at the AVL competition.
       
      FIAT Brand
      Sales of the Fiat 500L increased 34 percent last month for its best October sales since 2015. A redesigned exterior gives the 2018 500L an updated look, with new front and rear fascia design, bodyside molding design, wheel designs, daytime running light lens and rear side reflector design.
       
      Chrysler Brand
      The Chrysler brand last month announced that the 2018 Chrysler Pacifica is now available with a customized, athletic look with the new S Appearance Package. With the S Appearance Package, the 2018 Pacifica gets a sporty look featuring black accents inside and out. Additionally, the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid took home the top award in the Best Value Family category at the AVL competition.
       
      Alfa Romeo Brand
      Alfa Romeo brand sales of 1,205 units were up significantly compared with the same month a year ago as the launch of the all-new Alfa Romeo Stelvio SUV continues in U.S. dealerships. The Stelvio was crowned Crossover of Texas and also took home honors for Luxury Crossover of Texas and Most Drives at TAWA’s annual Texas Truck Rodeo in October.
      FCA US LLC Sales Summary October 2017
                      Month Sales
      Vol %
      CYTD Sales
      Vol %
      Model
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Change
      Compass
      11,207
      6,207
      81%
      65,142
      79,123
      -18%
      Patriot
      1,235
      9,510
      -87%
      40,111
      105,549
      -62%
      Wrangler
      13,391
      14,469
      -7%
      163,533
      163,096
      0%
      Cherokee
      16,138
      13,531
      19%
      133,973
      171,877
      -22%
      Grand Cherokee
      17,215
      17,867
      -4%
      198,460
      171,793
      16%
      Renegade
      7,888
      7,242
      9%
      88,097
      84,494
      4%
      JEEP BRAND
      67,074
      68,826
      -3%
      689,316
      775,932
      -11%
      200
      499
      2,843
      -82%
      17,766
      51,802
      -66%
      300
      2,917
      3,051
      -4%
      42,560
      47,091
      -10%
      Town & Country
      9
      529
      -98%
      566
      58,455
      -99%
      Pacifica
      7,593
      7,758
      -2%
      93,935
      43,330
      New
      CHRYSLER BRAND
      11,018
      14,181
      -22%
      154,827
      200,678
      -23%
      Dart
      172
      2,407
      -93%
      9,815
      39,674
      -75%
      Avenger
      0
      0
      100%
      12
      44
      -73%
      Charger
      8,096
      6,792
      19%
      75,474
      79,062
      -5%
      Challenger
      3,893
      4,127
      -6%
      56,169
      55,268
      2%
      Viper
      17
      62
      -73%
      569
      509
      12%
      Journey
      4,719
      11,912
      -60%
      80,375
      89,858
      -11%
      Caravan
      2,431
      11,563
      -79%
      110,023
      114,295
      -4%
      Durango
      5,148
      4,651
      11%
      57,829
      57,744
      0%
      DODGE  BRAND
      24,476
      41,514
      -41%
      390,266
      436,454
      -11%
      Ram P/U
      44,201
      43,891
      1%
      419,102
      404,977
      3%
      Cargo Van
      0
      0
      0%
      0
      21
      -100%
      ProMaster Van
      2,638
      4,500
      -41%
      34,576
      31,044
      11%
      ProMaster City
      992
      1,052
      -6%
      12,846
      13,701
      -6%
      RAM BRAND
      47,831
      49,443
      -3%
      466,524
      449,743
      4%
      500
      801
      1,276
      -37%
      11,236
      12,879
      -13%
      500L
      159
      119
      34%
      1,426
      2,920
      -51%
      500X
      561
      783
      -28%
      6,436
      10,047
      -36%
      Spider
      248
      444
      New
      3,923
      1,875
      New
      FIAT BRAND
      1,769
      2,622
      -33%
      23,021
      27,721
      -17%
      Giulia
      726
      0
      New
      7,136
      7
      New
      Alfa 4C 
      45
      23
      96%
      354
      434
      -18%
      Stelvio
      434
      0
      New
      1,067
      0
      New
      ALFA ROMEO
      1,205
      23
      5139%
      8,557
      441
      1840%
      FCA US LLC
      153,373
      176,609
      -13%
      1,732,511
      1,890,969
      -8%
       
    • By William Maley
      We know a fair amount of information about the 2018 JL Wrangler thanks to various leaks and rumors. Now Jeep has surprised all of us on Halloween night by revealing some pictures of the 2018 Wrangler.
      It looks like Wrangler from the three photos Jeep released. We can tell the front grille is slightly flatter and a set of LED lighting on the fenders. No pictures of the interior are provided, but we're expecting some big changes including a new UConnect infotainment system.
      More details on the Wrangler will be revealed on November 29th at the LA Auto Show. But we know that a 3.6L V6 and turbocharged 2.0L will be the engines at launch thanks to a leaked owner's manual.
      Source: Jeep
      Press Release is on Page 2


      Introducing the All-new, Next-generation 2018 Jeep® Wrangler
      October 31, 2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - The most capable SUV ever delivers even more legendary Jeep® 4x4 capability, a modern design that stays true to the original, advanced fuel-efficient powertrains, more open-air options, and is loaded with more safety features and advanced technology than ever before. The all-new Wrangler’s unique design includes an instantly recognizable keystone-shaped grille, iconic round headlamps and square tail lamps, improved aerodynamics, a convenient fold-down windshield for off-road purists, even more open-air freedom, and dozens of different door, top and windshield combinations. Additional images and complete vehicle information will be available November 29 at the Los Angeles Auto Show.

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