Intrepidation

Actually I know what it reminds me of, the Camry's cousin, the Aurion. Don't believe me?

I beg to differ in terms of exterior. The Corvette looks fine and all but it's the same shape from base model all the way up to ZR1...it just doesn't feel a special. The Viper is all attitude and makes no apologies for what it is. Don't like the side exhaust or the interior? Piss off and softer car. Pansies need not apply (I can see this being in the official brochure ). Besides, I'd rather them spend the money on engineering instead of how my hands ill feel caressing the interior, which is what they did. I would take a driver focused, clean interior over a fussy one that allows me to sleep on the dash if I could fit up there any day. The Viper has always been aimed at the more hardcore, and for those looking for a car that makes no apologies for what it is and refuses to be watered down. It's not a midsize family car. In terms of practicality and livability, the Corvette wins, but in terms of being truly special with no base model to water it down, the Viper wins handily in my book.

30 mpg isn't that hard to get, at least on the highway. my car averages 29-30 on the highway.

Well at first I though you meant ideal as in best case scenario and what plane, but since that's not the case I go with these for starters. Osama too

I've always liked the Viper's clean and minimalist design. The Vette's is more luxurious but at the same time it seems busy and not as purpose built. Viper has better seats though/

Oh and add family guy to the big fan list.

Oh my, the front shot reminds me of a Camry.

I do wish you would f..k off. PCS contributes meaningful material, all you do is spew crap from your mouth.

At least spray paint doesn't leave brush strokes and bristles in the paint

Yup, they all work with Vista too. You can get them at http://www.majorgeeks.com

In high school one of my teachers drove a Dodge Shadow that was painted white using a paintbrush and exterior paint...

Huge Fan: MythBusters, Dirty Jobs, MXC, Top Gear, Rules of Engagement, The Big Bang Theort, Moonlight, Death Note, Bleach, Full Metal Alchemist, Fullmetal Panic, Zoids (Chaotic Century, Guardian Force, New Century/Zero), Ghost in the Shell, Trinity Blood Shows I also like: CSI (any of them) Criminal Minds, Big Brother, Two and a Half Men

Someone around here is trying to rice an Escort.

Avast is an excellent antivirus program. I much prefer it to $h!ty Norton, for example. Ad-Aware has always worked very well for me too, and of course, Firefox rocks my socks

I've used Vista on someone's Toshiba laptop, it wasn't bad at all. It wasn't too annoying when I went to install Avast and AdAware and FireFox...no worse than XP.

Erm, I dunno. If by gay you mean really stupid or retarded than riced Civic FTW...also there's that one Stratus... Does a pink riced Civic count? As for gay, gay, I have no idea.

I give it a a "meh". Not very pretty, though not as bad as the last one. The interior looks dated.

Can't we all just get along? Group hug

There's a "Sport" package for the Camry.... I know those Neon's are crap but I still feel sorry for it being owned by a retard.

Please define how it's cobbled together? Everything is cleanly integrated and looks well assembled in the photos.

Why oh why could they have not made the sedan's detailing as nice as the coupe's? The sedan has those nasty headlights and tail lights that bulge out from the body for no apparent reason. The coupe's are nice and flush, which proves there's is no need for them to be bug-eyed. I love the black and tan interior...although I like the 4-spoke wheel much more.

I'm all for it if it helps keep the Zetas alive...but I still can't help but poke fun at it.

My goal is to buy a Camaro and then a Challenger.

Very passionate thread indeed, there's a lot to go through. PCS - I do like you generally, outside of the forum on msn we have good discussions, however lately the way you're posts are worded they rub people the wrong way, including myself. When you go on a bout how much you hate Holden, and how Zeta, a platform many of us are excited about should die because it's from Holden and not GME and GME is the greatest thing to happen to GM and everything else sucks, yeah it bothers people. Onto Zeta and CAFE. You, or anyone else, cannot sit there and tell me that with all of the vast resources and intelligent minds GM has at it's disposal that there is not a way to offer cars like the Impala, G8, Camaro, etc. and be able to meet CAFE. I refuse to believe that. You can't tell me that buy fitting more G8's and Impalas wit smaller engines and hybrid technology and have far fewer but still available V8's for those that want them, that it wouldn't help balance CAFE out. When you consider the things Mercedes and BMW can do to help improve fuel economy and alternative energy, you're gonna tell me that GM can't do that either? All of this wondering what to do to meet CAFE regulations...Why not offer more 4 cylinder/6-speed powertrains? Why not offer the 2-mode hybrid system in cars and not just trucks where the fuel economy boost will be much greater? When will the Malibu, and Aura and others benefit from an advanced hybrid system instead of the mild one? Why not offer both systems, for budget minded, and for those who can afford the expensive one? If some guy can take his Scion xB, make it RWD and stuff a Chevy V8 in it, than certainly GM can find a way to fit smaller powertrains into bigger cars, and hybrid drivetrains into big and small cars. What about making the Zeta's E85 compatible while we're at it? There's so many options to consider besides "f@#k it, kill Zeta even though many people are looking forward to it, and piss them off by replacing these cars with FWD cars. Who cares if we alienate a few thousand, hundred thousand people? When did that make a difference? When did giving people products they actually want make a difference? Let's kill a brand while we're at it. No one cares right?"

I can see the embarrassment now if they gave us the 1.4 without the turbo...a brand new Astra or Cobalt loosing drag races to 90's economy cars like Neon, Prizms, Shadow, Escorts!