FUTURE_OF_GM

All fine... As long as I can buy my V8.

I was really hoping that god awful door script was for show cars only...

Ummm... Yeah... I'm from the Appalachian Mountains... (NC) You know, the people who 'ain't got no teeth' and enjoy their cousins WAY too much.

LOL! Got my first look at a G8 this weekend. I came away VERY impressed! It's a car I wouldn't mind owning and in fact, a car I would aspire to own. (Yep, consider me a convert)

Meh... We all knew you would cave sooner rather than later.

Hey, would you look at that... Reality bites this board in the ass again. I think a G8 coupe is an EXCELLENT idea, and what the hell? Make 5,000 of them V8s and 5,000 of the turbo fours or V6's if CAFE is that big of an issue. Pontiac is to the point of selling so few of these cars (For better or worse) that they (meaning 10K coupes) shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of CAFE. Not to mention, if the G8 ST does bomb like some say it will, why not transfer that capacity to this car OR the wagon? I would love to see a well rounded Pontiac line up. The people who plague GM with 'old school think' should be shown the door They've had 30 years to stabilize the company, now it's time for the enthusiasts to take over.

Mostly american... GM: 1968 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1973 Chevrolet Camaro Z28/RS 1993 Buick Regal 1999 Chevrolet Silverado Z71 Ford: 2001 Ford Focus ZX3 Chrysler: 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Other: 1982 Toyota Starlet... Yep, the outcast that's still left around from some of the bad decisions my parents made during the first fuel crisis. Fun car to drive though and it'll be even more fun if I ever put that 350 Chevy V8 between the fenders like I've been threatening to do. FUTURE: more classic american iron. A Camaro or a Vette and probably a Pontiac of some sort.

Better go test drive one while you can... TICK TOCK! (I figured PCS is pretty busy ruining GM, so I'll just make one of his usual troll posts for him)

That's a band I haven't listened to in a LONG time.

1) "The Heretic Anthem" from '9.0 Live' -- Slipknot (I think it appropriate, given the recent tone of the board) 2) "Can't Heal You" -- Five Finger Death Punch 3) "Waging War" -- HellYeah

Spot on! Just like everything else in this country, the new CAFE regs are designed to hinder Detroit and nothing more. And as usual, whether through fate or careful planning, Detroit will end up getting screwed.

A-MEN! This is exactly what I'm talking about. His actions are a disgrace to General Motors and I would hope that he is being watched by the people that actually matter. (Politics)

RE the V8 thing: I don't really understand why everyone is so doom and gloom about it. We have new technology everyday through biofuels to make the V8 and large/performance car viable for a LONG time. Why should we give up when we're so close to so many breakthroughs?

If that was directed at me, then you can ban away my friend. You are one of the people PCS constantly tries to piss off, does it not get old?

Shut the f*ck up. Just because you're still pissed that Josh made you quit and that I supported it doesn't mean your input matters. And yes, if I owned the site, I would ban people I don't like. (READ: people who continuously cause problems) It would be my private site to do whatever I like with it, and why shouldn't I? That didn't happen when I was an admin because I knew it wasn't my site. I'm just tired of what this site has become which is a pissing match between PCS, who for all most of us know could be a janitor at GME, and certain other members. I know PCS is more than a janitor, but he continues to spread rumor as fact just to piss people off. PCS: What? Because I don't like your constant trolling, I need meds?

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/...0-toyota-prius/ Funny as hell!

No. The Camaro BRAND will never sell as easy as the Mustang BRAND. The G8 competes with BMW, why couldn't the Camaro with the same basic platform and powertrain? Especially if GM really invests in marketing the car correctly. Will the Camaro steal a lot of volume from BMW? Probably not, but I'm sure it can be on the same radar.

I agree, and I fought for PCS to stay last time. However I am tired of his constant nagging and and harassment of certain individuals here. And it's purely selfish on my part; I'm just tired of reading threads of bull$h! bickering about personal purchases and other things NOT related to GM. It's the same thing in every thread; PCS posts skewed news, certain members of the board speak out against it and then it's an annoying 3 page war with the occasional PCS suck up stepping in to try and find middle ground. It's time for someone to take a nice cup of STFU and all I can say is that it's a good thing I'm no longer an admin here, because I'd make PCS eat his words. Oh wait, I thought GME had deemed it necessary for him to stop posting here last time... Gues that was like 65% of the stuff he posts here.

If I had a dollar for every rumor you've tried to pass off as a prediction on this board, I could've bought us a new server. (Zeta in general, the Camaro, the G8, the G8 ST, the G8 GXP, so on and so forth) *IF* CO2 regulations are passed, then a V8 Camaro will be the LEAST of GM's worries. You might as well kiss our auto industry goodbye and I'm sure Congress and which ever of the three stooges that gets the presidency knows that. Hell, if CO2 regs are passed, I would BET that they are passed to finally put a bullet in the head of Detroit once and for all. Here's a rumor: I predict that if PCS doesn't stop blatantly harassing certain members of this board (Since it's been warned once) it'll be banned once and for all. Doesn't mean that will come true, although it might be what I desire. Same goes for your rumors and desires.

Yeah, they're all dark. Thus is metal. But to me "Far Beyond Driven" seems almost morbid in the sense that this guy is about to snap. It's no longer about making a statement, it's about pure violence. I love that sound, and I can't wait until I can just 'go off' like that on stage someday. BTW, last 3 songs; "Hands of Death (Burn Baby Burn)" by Rob Zombie, featuring Alice Cooper "Rot" by Dry Kill Logic "Mercyful Fate Medley" by MetallicA

How about "BAN" Oh wait, that's what some of the posters here make me think of.

I used to know one of the guys that owned that place. He can be seen on the Barrett-Jackson each year. Haven't talked to him in a few years though, since he moved.

The positive side of me is all for this. The F4 Camaro was everything that this car will NOT be (thankfully) No one wanted a V6 Camaro back then and unless GM does something to up the appeal of the V6 and I4 options this time around, no one will want them either. Unlike Mustang, GM does not enjoy the luxury of such a wide fan base. The V6 Mustang can sell, no problem because the BRAND speaks louder than the car. The Camaro is the opposite; if the car doesn't perform, then it won't sell. Period. So here is what I think GM is trying to do: 1) For the sake of CAFE and $$$, they are going to try to make the Camaro appeal to more than just diehard Camaro fans. This is an absolute must to ensure the future of the product. Therefore, the Camaro has to be very well rounded, unlike the F4. 2) They are trying to "build" an image for the Camaro name. The Corvette stands alone and I think that is ultimately the goal for the Camaro as well. In order to do that, they need to attract a diversity of people with different tastes and desires. They could be doing this for a number of reasons; the first is obviously to make the car stand out ala Corvette, the second is to establish it as the new 'top' affordable Chevrolet coupe (Malibu or Impala, especially if it were Zeta as well, would occupy the sedan side) as the Corvette goes up market (ZR1 and the rumored mid engined versions and Cadillac wanting a Cien are enough to establish debate over this) third, they're positioning the Camaro to compete with BMW as well as the Mustang so as to negate the need for a GTO coupe (killing 2 birds with one stone) which would also make a better business case for a Buick Zeta coupe and fourth = exports. 3) They are marketing the V8 to older, better established clients. You know the people who remember the original Camaro, are more likely to have the $$$ to buy it and who are not going to be "conditioned" into 4 cylinders and V6s. I think this is a wise move that was probably a part of the plan from the start. Lets face it; the Camaro will NEVER be what the Mustang is. So why not try to position the car (with it's more potent/expensive platform) a bit up from the Mustang to attract MORE buyers. I'm all for options and not everyone needs a V8 car. Just so long as I and enthusiasts like me can buy our V8, we'll be fine. The negative side of me says that they're trying to kill the car and Zeta in general. They're going to horribly f*ck up the business case, let it sit on the market for 2-3 years, then call the whole thing off with the excuse that "Well, we made true on our promise to the enthusiasts, but they didn't bite." Sounds eerily similar to the SSR, no? Maybe they'll wind the Camaro down like this, just kill the G8 slowly and cancel all of the other Zeta cars. *** I hope my positive side is right.

Breaking

I thought I had read that somewhere I think that was around the time that no one in the band could stand Phil. I don't think he was in a very positive state of mind when that record came about (Just by reading the lyrics, lol) No wonder it appeals to me so much