A Horse With No Name

Me, I'd be buying the 300 if I were you, DF. Chris

I'm a poor blue collar worker also. It was the blue collar boys who bought Z-28's, GTO's, Mach One Mustangs, Chevelles, et al back in the day. Don't ever let them give you $h!, 68.... Chris :camarosmile:

If I had 65k to blow on a car, one would be in my driveway fo sho....unless I could come up with the extra cash for a Z-06. Chris

I think the government has a real place in public life. To me, if you want to see a country without much government oversight, look at say, Somolia. However, I believe that the government should be smaller than it is now, and I believe regulations sould be simple and apply to everyone. I do think that we are heading in the wrong direction on this, big time. The Japanese government and the German government each help their auto industry without this level of meddling, for instance. Chris

...just get the HD version if you want to bring home a bag of dog food for Arkus in the bed, tho.... Chris

No, Camino, it just isn't. Remember the Trabant, that Eastern European P.O.S. that everyone east of the Iron curtain drove? Rumor has it that they are going to build a pick-em up based on a passenger car in the reshaped GM. Running prototypes have been spotted with the three cylender from the previous Chevrolet Metro model. The new vehicle is said to resemble the Trabant in size, quality, and labor arrangements. See, Camino, you really CAN get what you want from the new GM! Chris

I wouldn't forget that either. Chris

It's always sad to think of a nice old Pontiac going to the crusher. I had a co worker once who wold a nice 65 GTO to an idiot who totaled it. oh well...making the world safe for the Yaris and the Versa, I guess. Chris

Interesting Pontiac GP link... http://www.classicalpontiac.com/gp/index.html 272 Hursts for 70, 157 for 71, 60 for 72. Not a high production automobile. The production figures for Manual tranny cars were very low. I also really liked the 65 Pontiac Grand Prix. Chris

...boys...let's not just make it horsepower...let's make it GM horsepower... BTW, how is the wagon, Camino? Chris

...although I have seen several Olds 72 Pace car copes (and 1970, as well) W the Hurst package...Damn...Camino it seems like I remember an actual Hurst GP from a car show in my childhood or teen years somewhere. Chris

I recall the hurst as well. It just seemed odd to me that Pontiac would build a solid lifter 400 HO when a 455 would have been more in keeping with the "character" of the car. Chris

I love the new Camaro, Mustang and Challenger...and wish there was a Firebird, Javelin, and Barracuda to go with them. However, I'm 43 years old, I've been a car fan since I was 6 or 7, and I've been around the older versions of these cars for say 35 years. Kinda wanting to go a different direction. But I still lust after the new Camaro. Chris

I would like to know about the performance variants of the Grand Prix...sat down next to an old man at the local Waffle House eating breakfast the other day, and we started talking cars. Turned out he was a lifelong Pontiac guy, and his favourite car had been a 71 Grand Prix with of all things a solid lifter version of the Pontiac 400. Anyone here know how rare that car was? (he sold it in 83, so I'd venture to guess its sadly no longer around)Any other specs on the 69-72 Grand Prix models that were performance oriented? The old guys former GP was cool...bright yellow with a green interior and a green vynal top. THAT color scheme says 1971, fo sho... Damn shame we don't build cars like that anymore. In some ways I feel like it was all downhill for Pontiac after the last 74 455 SD TA rolled off of the line. Chris

Instead of a group hug could we do a massive group burnout in the parking lot instead? Chris

Getting back to cars...I enjoy Bimmerofrums, Miatanet, and SCCA Forums. Also enjoy TDIclub and VWvortex. But I rarely post on them. I love most of the guys here...just not in the Satty sort of way. DF, keep us posted on the intrepid. Since my next car is probably going to be a MINI Cooper S or a TDI Golf (GTI perhaps) I'll probably move over to North American Motoring (the MINI site). Chris

It's also eco friendly because it's too ugly for anyone to actually buy.... Chris

...only if it comes with V-Tech and a 4 cyl that revs to 9 grand.... Chris

I agree we should be able to get what we want. However, the automotive world is changing so fast that I doubt any of us will get what we really want. I want a Sosltice Targa...however...when I get in position to buy my next car, Pontiac will be gone and I'll have a GTI in the garage instead. Chris

Sadly, I already really feel this way, sort of. Chris

Actually everything here you've posted has been great, DF. Best of luck to you, DF. Chris

...and who wants to give up wages...the only thing making me keep my head above water is my wife's good job. I've lost real world wages over the past couple of years.... Chris

Right now on a short trerm basis I think the Unions should make concessions. However, our greatest rate of economic growth came back in the 60's when we paid everyone a good wage. Look at the real rate of growth under Johnson and the real rate of growth under Reagan and tell me what you think. The real cure is for you to have a great design job, so you can put a Challenger in the garage next to the Dodge Intrepid. What people want to do is pay everyone peanuts, and in that world you and JessiChan will be wrenching on what's left of the Intrepid in a $h! apartment parking lot ten years from now. I am not Pro-Union...but someone has to fight for wages. Chris

....couldn't agree more, 84. Chris

Hell, DF everyone is unemployed right now. I'd bet the real unemployment rate is closer to 14 or 15 percent if you take into account under employed and people who've given up looking, people working part time rather than full, etc. Chris