[autoeng]

Iwas on the GM family First web site tonight and saw that the 2008 CTS pricing was released. Base price for the 1SA is $32,245 and the 1SB (SIDI) is $34,545.

Full pricing breakdown

Luxury Collection (PDP) - $2600
Luxury Level One Package (Y40)
Seating Package (Y44)

Premium Luxury Collection (PDQ) - $8165
Luxury Level One Package (Y40)
Luxury Level Two Package (Y41)
Seating Package (Y44)
Audio system with navigation (UAV)
UltraView sunroof (C3U)
Wood Trim Package (B19)
Wood Trim Package (B20)
Universal Home Remote (UG1)

Performance Collection (PDR) - $3300
18" All-Season Tire Performance Package (Y42)
Seating Package (Y44)

Luxury Level One (Y40) - $1000
Theft-deterrent alarm system
AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and MP3 playback with Radio Data System (RDS) and Bose 8-speaker system
Rainsense wipers
Accent lighting
17" x 8" machined-faced wheels

Luxury Level Two (Y41) - $2025
Heated/ventilated front seats
Split-folding rear seat
Power rake wheel and telescopic steering column
Universal Home Remote
EZ Key passive entry system
Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist

BASE PRICING
2007 CTS 3.6l 6MT - $33,530
2008 CTS 3.6l 6MT - $32,245

2007 CTS 3.6l 5AT - $34,730
2008 CTS 3.6l 6AT - $34,545

-Flybrian

This post has been edited by autoeng: 19 July 2007 - 06:49 AM

[smk4565]

Seems like a lot of money once you option it up. And it seems like not very much at all is on the base car. I did the math, it gets near $50,000 with everything on it, that is getting into BMW 5-series price and the CTS isn't that caliber of car. Although the 335i loaded can touch $47,000, but that car is really fast.

[Cubical-aka-Moltar]

The biggest dissapointment to me is that the DI engine isn't available w/ the manual..

[AAS]

The biggest dissapointment to me is that the DI engine isn't available w/ the manual..

I didn't even notice that at first glance... That's BS!

EDIT... what it actually means is that the DI comes STANDARD with the automatic, and the manual is an option that actually reduces the cost! So... COOL!!!

This post has been edited by AAS: 18 July 2007 - 10:51 PM

[eldiablobanshee]

Seems like a lot of money once you option it up. And it seems like not very much at all is on the base car. I did the math, it gets near $50,000 with everything on it, that is getting into BMW 5-series price and the CTS isn't that caliber of car. Although the 335i loaded can touch $47,000, but that car is really fast.

hello smk4565 congratulation on your first post but I must disagree with you were you say the BMW's are in a different class please explain more of what makes you feel this way.

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

Seems like a lot of money once you option it up. And it seems like not very much at all is on the base car. I did the math, it gets near $50,000 with everything on it, that is getting into BMW 5-series price and the CTS isn't that caliber of car. Although the 335i loaded can touch $47,000, but that car is really fast.

How is it not that caliber of car? have you driven it? Does it look like less of a car than the 5 series? that's just more of the damned-before-they-even-start inferior domestic logic.

Remember, the CTS IS the 5 series competitor this time around. The Alpha based Cadillac will be the 3 series competitor.

This post has been edited by FUTURE_OF_GM: 18 July 2007 - 10:55 PM

[thegriffon]

Except that the manual for the DI engine is only available with the summer tire performance package, which is significantly more expensive than the money you get back for the manual.

[AAS]

Except that the manual for the DI engine is only available with the summer tire performance package, which is significantly more expensive than the money you get back for the manual.

Yeah... I noticed that while reading through it for the 3rd time... It ends up to be around $1,700 to ditch the automatic for a manual (and pick-up the required wheel/tire package), assuming you don't for one of those other luxury packages...

[eldiablobanshee]

Except that the manual for the DI engine is only available with the summer tire performance package, which is significantly more expensive than the money you get back for the manual.

GM knows what type of driving people that buy manuals do, it should come with the performance brakes too.

[Northstar]

The biggest dissapointment to me is that the DI engine isn't available w/ the manual..

I think it is, see the manual trans option for -$1300?

It looks like a fully loaded model will be pretty expensive, but it's a damn good car and the base price is hardly more than the current one.

[VenSeattle]

Seems like a lot of money once you option it up. And it seems like not very much at all is on the base car. I did the math, it gets near $50,000 with everything on it, that is getting into BMW 5-series price and the CTS isn't that caliber of car. Although the 335i loaded can touch $47,000, but that car is really fast.

A base BMW 530i with no options is around $48k. The BMW 530xi is $50k. (the 530 is the engine equivalent of the base CTS 3.6l VVT.) I don't see a pricing problem at all when a loaded 530xi pushes $65k.

[smk4565]

hello smk4565 congratulation on your first post but I must disagree with you were you say the BMW's are in a different class please explain more of what makes you feel this way.

I know the CTS is 5-series size, but the 5-series is $46-60,000+ offers 20 way seats, 13 speaker 7.1 sound, power sunshade, adaptive cruise control, V8 engine, etc. The 3-series is priced $33,000-45,000 for the sedan, which the CTS is pretty close to. I am not knocking the CTS, I am just saying that there is no car for $40,000 that can compete with the 5-series, but it looks like if you get a loaded CTS it will cost $47-48,000, and for a couple grand more people can get a 535i which is probably faster and comes with free maintenance and BMW's have great resale value.

The fair matchup based on price and equipment is going to be the CTS vs the 335i and the 335i has a big performance edge due to it's smaller size.

I hope this CTS is a smash hit, because the 3-series alone outsells the CTS, SRX, STS, DTS and XLR combined right now, and Cadillac needs some home run cars soon.

[smk4565]

A base BMW 530i with no options is around $48k. The BMW 530xi is $50k. (the 530 is the engine equivalent of the base CTS 3.6l VVT.) I don't see a pricing problem at all when a loaded 530xi pushes $65k.

They don't make a 530i anymore, they have a 528i with a wimpy engine, 230 or 250 hp I forget for $44,900 and the 535i (300 hp, 300 lb-ft) starts at $49k. The 550i is $58,500 but can go near $65k when loaded. Of course it has a V8 and a lot more equipment too. The 5-series is more, but it is more car. I think what will happen is most people won't get a very loaded up CTS, they will get more basic models to keep the price to $40,000 or less, so the 5-series won't really compete with it anyway, just the G35 and the 3-series, so I hope it can match their performance.

[Oracle of Delphi]

I don't see many people optioning up the CTS to that price level, I think Cadillac is fooling themselves if they think people will. Those that do will say for a few thousand more I can have a 5 series and free maintenance.

[Northstar]

I know the CTS is 5-series size, but the 5-series is $46-60,000+ offers 20 way seats, 13 speaker 7.1 sound, power sunshade, adaptive cruise control, V8 engine, etc. The 3-series is priced $33,000-45,000 for the sedan, which the CTS is pretty close to. I am not knocking the CTS, I am just saying that there is no car for $40,000 that can compete with the 5-series, but it looks like if you get a loaded CTS it will cost $47-48,000, and for a couple grand more people can get a 535i which is probably faster and comes with free maintenance and BMW's have great resale value.

The fair matchup based on price and equipment is going to be the CTS vs the 335i and the 335i has a big performance edge due to it's smaller size.

I hope this CTS is a smash hit, because the 3-series alone outsells the CTS, SRX, STS, DTS and XLR combined right now, and Cadillac needs some home run cars soon.

A 535i starts at $51625 if you want leather and not leatherette. You're also saying that the price of the CTS is too high because the 535i is a couple grand more, but that's for a base 535i. All that stuff you listed is not standard. You want 20 way power seats? That's $1200 more. You want 13 speakers? That's $1200 more. A 535i with all those things you listed and everything you can get on the CTS is $60k! Hardly a few grand more!

[traderchpl]

Seems like a lot of money once you option it up. And it seems like not very much at all is on the base car. I did the math, it gets near $50,000 with everything on it, that is getting into BMW 5-series price and the CTS isn't that caliber of car. Although the 335i loaded can touch $47,000, but that car is really fast.

No offense, smk, but that's just not accurate. A 328i can certainly touch $47K when well-optioned. A 335i will blow right by that number. When is the last time you bought a BMW?

Yesterday afternoon we just ordered a 328i pretty well loaded-up (we didn't choose every single option, but most), and it stickered at $46870. Not that we paid close to sticker, because right now they're selling these cars within a stone's throw of invoice with exactly 2 minutes of gentlemanly "discussion."

And the only reason we didn't wait for the next CTS is because the 3 is her car, and I want the Caddy for myself!!

Anyway, and this is only in my opinion, since most people are driving around in "base-engined" 5-series, saying the next CTS isn't "that caliber of car" is absolutely laughable.

****Now, if you said that a dressed-up-Chevy-store-Cadillac dealership isn't even remotely in the same class as a BMW dealership (at least Reeves in Tampa), I would have to agree whole-heartedly.

smk, welcome to Cheers and Gears. Hopefully your discussions here will be less contentious than at that "other" board.

[Oldsmoboi]

I know the CTS is 5-series size, but the 5-series is $46-60,000+ offers 20 way seats, 13 speaker 7.1 sound, power sunshade, adaptive cruise control, V8 engine, etc. The 3-series is priced $33,000-45,000 for the sedan, which the CTS is pretty close to. I am not knocking the CTS, I am just saying that there is no car for $40,000 that can compete with the 5-series, but it looks like if you get a loaded CTS it will cost $47-48,000, and for a couple grand more people can get a 535i which is probably faster and comes with free maintenance and BMW's have great resale value.

Base 5-series is $51k.... start adding some basic options and you'll easily get to $55k.


For $55k, I'll take a CTS-V and there's no way a 535i is faster or handles better than that.

[Cadillacfan]

Let's not get into a BMW vs. Cadillac pissing match. For all the options you get in this vehicle and the size, I'd say the pricing is competitive. The CTS is no longer the entry-level Cadillac anymore. It may appear that it is due to the fact that the alpha-based BLS replacement isn't here yet, but Cadillac is simply preparing us for the idea that this is no longer going to be the cheapest Caddy. They just better hurry up with that BLS.

[jbartley]

looks pretty decent to me! althought i would have thought a couple of items in the lux 1 and 2 packages would be standard on a lux car. the rainsense wipers, 6-cd, back-up sensors, etc.

EDIT: Universal home remote should be standard on every vehicle GM makes period.

i see most of these selling in the 42-47k range, perfect if you ask me.

is it asking too much for rear seat heaters? hmmmm?

This post has been edited by jbartley: 19 July 2007 - 11:11 AM

[smk4565]

I know the BTS or BLS is coming, but what price will they put it at? $27k? I hope not. The BTS is going to have to base around $33k, so the CTS is going to need an overhaul and pushed to the mid 40s for a base price to get them in line with everyone else. The base CTS has no fog lights, cheap wheels and some plastic trim, that is the kind of stuff they have to get rid of. If the car doesn't look good when it is 5 years old, the resale value really suffers. The German cars seem to age better, and not look dated or cheap.

As far as BMW prices, Motor trend just had a loaded up 335i coupe and it was $47,000. The 330 hp G37 was $39,000, which they thought was a great deal. The 535i is about $55,000 with normal options so I don't think the CTS is competing with it, but I agree with the poster that said people may see $48,000 for a loaded CTS, and think, well the BMW is $5000 more and has free maintenance and better resale value. I have never been a fan of BMW styling inside or out, but they drive well.

I agree with the rear heated seats, the Saab 9-5 and old Seville had them. If the CTS sells in the 40s, it kind of makes the STS useless, I could see them dumping it midway in the 09 model year.

This post has been edited by smk4565: 19 July 2007 - 11:17 AM