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    2016 Detroit Auto Show: 2017 Honda Ridgeline

      Honda Pickup, Take 2!


    Back from a short hiatus, the Honda Ridgeline made its debut at the Detroit Auto Show this afternoon.

     

    Compared to the last Ridgeline, the new model looks more truck-ish. The front end boasts a more butch version of the Pilot's grille and larger headlights. The side profile is very Pilot aside from the top half of the rear cut off.

     

    The bed is slightly larger than the previous Ridgeline with measurements of five feet wide and five feet, four inches long. Yes, the in-bed trunk is still here complete with drain plug. Also, the tailgate can fold down or swing out.

     

    Power comes from a 3.5L V6 and is paired with a six-speed automatic. Oddly, Honda didn't give out any power figures for the V6. But if this is the same engine as the Pilot, so it would not be surprising if the Ridgeline comes with 280 horsepower and 262 pound-feet of torque. Front-wheel drive is standard, while all-wheel drive with Honda's i-VTM4™ torque vectoring AWD technology is optional.

     

    Honda will begin sales of the Ridgeline sometime in the first half of 2016.

     

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    Press Release is on Page 2


     

    All-New 2017 Honda Ridgeline Pickup Truck Makes World Debut at 2016 North American International Auto Show
    Jan 11, 2016 - DETROIT

    • 2017 Ridgeline brings Honda innovation in technology, design and packaging to the midsize pickup truck market
    • All-new Ridgeline delivers superior driving dynamics in combination with the largest interior space and most versatile bed in a midsize 4-door pickup
    • Honda-exclusive features including In-Bed Trunk®, dual-action tailgate and the industry's first in-bed audio system make Ridgeline the ultimate tailgating vehicle


    Honda today unveiled the all-new 2017 Ridgeline truck at the North American International Auto Show, once again challenging conventional thinking in the pickup truck market with Honda-exclusive features, design and technology that help Ridgeline set new benchmarks for versatility, capability and comfort in a midsize pickup.
    "We are bringing our unique technology and original thinking to the market in a new and challenging concept for a Honda pickup," said John Mendel, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "We think we've got a better idea, a truck that uses its unibody construction and Honda packaging magic to deliver more of the things that many of today's truck customers want and need with none of the things they don't."

     

    Designed, developed and manufactured in America, the new Ridgeline will launch in the first half of 2016 with a combination of features and capabilities unlike anything else on the market today, including:

    • Superior on-road performance – with the segment's best handling, ride quality, cabin quietness and all-weather traction capabilities – courtesy of its unibody construction, sophisticated chassis, and available i-VTM4™ torque-vectoring AWD system
    • Class-leading space – with the largest and most versatile cabin and the only 4-foot-wide flat bed space in the midsize pickup segment, along with payload capacity rivaling top competitors
    • Innovative and class-exclusive features, including an In-Bed Trunk™, dual-action tailgate and the industry's first in-bed audio system – making Ridgeline the ultimate tailgating vehicle
    • Targeted top-in-class acceleration, EPA fuel economy ratings and third-party collision safety ratings, and featuring Honda's next-generation ACE™ body structure and available Honda Sensing™ suite of safety and driver-assist technologies
    • Leading edge connectivity with 8-inch Display Audio featuring Apple Car Play® and Android Auto™ compatibility


    Advanced Chassis, Powertrain and All-Wheel-Drive
    The new Ridgeline is based on Honda's Global Light Truck platform with its rigid yet lightweight unibody construction, next-generation ACE™ body structure and sophisticated, fully independent suspension, delivering a higher level of ride and handling refinement than conventional body-on-frame designs. The Ridgeline will be powered by a 3.5-liter, direct-injected i-VTEC™ V-6 engine mated to a 6-speed automatic transmission, providing top-in-class powertrain refinement and targeting best-in-class acceleration performance and segment-leading EPA fuel economy ratings.

     

    The Ridgeline also will be available for the first time in both front-wheel and all-wheel-drive configurations. All-wheel-drive models will utilize Honda's i-VTM4™ torque vectoring AWD technology, featuring Intelligent Terrain Management with Normal, Sand, Snow and Mud modes, providing robust medium-duty off-road and towing capability with superior on-road, all-weather handling, traction and performance.

     

    Sophisticated, Versatile and Spacious Cabin
    Inside, the Ridgeline boasts the largest, most versatile and sophisticated cabin in a midsize 4-door pickup, featuring high-grade materials and finishes, available leather trim and all the latest technologies that Honda has to offer, including tri-zone climate control, push button start, a full-color TFT center meter and available 8-inch Display Audio touchscreen with Apple Car Play and Android Auto compatibility.

     

    The Ridgeline's 60/40-split and folding second-row seat provides the ultimate versatility for people- and cargo-hauling utility. With the seats folded down, the Ridgeline will comfortably carry up to five people while still accommodating long items, like a set of golf clubs, under the rear seat. Folding up one or both sides of the 60/40-split seat bottom opens up the back to carry tall and bulky items.

     

    A Bed Like No Other
    The Ridgeline bed offers pickup users unmatched versatility in a midsize 4-door pickup. At 5' wide and 5'4" long (5.4 inches wider and 4 inches longer than the previous generation Ridgeline), the 2017 Honda Ridgeline has the only 4-foot wide flat bed space (with 48 inches between the rear wheel arches) in the midsize pickup class, allowing for flat hauling of items like plywood sheeting or drywall. The Ridgeline will also offer payload capacity rivaling top competitors, approaching 1,600 pounds, with final specifications to be released closer to launch.

     

    The composite, UV-stabilized and scratch-resistant bed also boasts a number of available Honda-exclusive features that add to its incredible versatility, including an In-Bed Trunk™, dual-action tailgate, available 400-watt AC power inverter and the industry's first in-bed audio system.

     

    The Ridgeline's standard, lockable In-Bed Trunk provides secure storage space with no compromise to bed utility and now features a fully flat floor while still including a drain plug for easier cleaning and evacuation of water from the trunk. The dual action tailgate is hinged both at the bottom and along its left side, opening down or to the side, which enables easier loading and unloading of heavy and bulky items without having to reach over the open tailgate. The bed also features eight 350-pound tie down cleats and an available 400-watt power inverter, located behind an access panel in the right bed wall, with the capacity to recharge power tools or energize a tailgate blender or flat screen TV.

     

    A first for any pickup, the new in-bed audio system, together with the In-Bed Trunk and available 400-watt power inverter, makes Ridgeline the ultimate tailgating vehicle. The new in-bed audio system utilizes six exciters located inside the bed walls, in place of conventional speakers, pumping out sound from the Ridgeline's audio head unit, with up to 540 watts of power.

     

    Top-Level Safety Performance
    Featuring Honda's next-generation ACE™ body structure, advanced airbag systems and available Honda Sensing™ suite of safety and driver-assist technologies, the new Ridgeline will target the highest available collision safety ratings – an NCAP 5-star Overall Vehicle Score from the NHTSA and a TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating from the IIHS. Honda Sensing™ technologies available on the 2017 Ridgeline include Lane Departure Warning (LDW), Collision Mitigation Braking System™ (CMBS™), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM) and Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS). All Ridgeline models will feature a multi-angle rearview camera as standard equipment and upper trims will be available with either Honda LaneWatch™ or Blind Spot Information system.

     

    Ridgeline Development and Manufacturing
    Like the first generation Honda Ridgeline, the all-new 2017 Ridgeline was designed and developed by Honda R&D Americas and will be produced by Honda Manufacturing of Alabama in Lincoln, Alabama.

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    AWD Truck is interesting, I do not think anyone else has ever offered a truck with AWD. Plenty of 4x4 but not AWD.

     

    Pathetic is the V6 engine. So much wasted horsepower with pathetic Torque.

     

    Over all not impressed with the looks or the rest of the truck for that matter.

     

    Continuation of Dull Bland Styling.

     

    WTF, Blah Truck and they get CAR OF THE YEAR?

     

    HONDA has failed on all fronts and the stupid press continues to think they are gods walking on water.

     

    I do not see this selling much at all except for an initial bump to the existing Ridgeline customers who want the same blah trucks.

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    It's an interesting scenario. One one hand, it appears much more like a 'proper' pick up, whereas the prior version was a bit more unique. Question stands; is that going to be more attractive for honda buyers, or less? IE; now that it feels more 'trucky', will it suffer in comparison to so many established small trucks?

     

    There's no actual cues I can put my finger on, but it has a strong early 2000's look to it.

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    much better looking, (except the rear doors look out of proportion) ....should appeal to Honda bangers.....interior does not look trucky at all,

     

    this thing does have a following, looks like a good update for those that liked the last one.

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    I just don't understand why anyone would buy of these. The GM twins, and hell, even the Tacoma, offer such good road manners, you'd have to be dumb to throw away their off-road ability and ruggedness for what will undoubtedly be vehicle that costs the same but is vastly inferior in so many ways.

     

    I think Honda should have just left the Ridgeline name to history. Use the money to give as a new S2K.

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    I just don't understand why anyone would buy of these. The GM twins, and hell, even the Tacoma, offer such good road manners, you'd have to be dumb to throw away their off-road ability and ruggedness for what will undoubtedly be vehicle that costs the same but is vastly inferior in so many ways.

     

    I think Honda should have just left the Ridgeline name to history. Use the money to give as a new S2K.

     

    I 100% agree here.   Can't speak on the 16 Tacoma, but the Colorado Z71 I drove was just fantastic.  Best road manners in a pickup, smooth ride, gtsy engine, and still all the truck capabilities.  At best this will be a very light selling niche vehicle.  

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    I just don't understand why anyone would buy of these. The GM twins, and hell, even the Tacoma, offer such good road manners, you'd have to be dumb to throw away their off-road ability and ruggedness for what will undoubtedly be vehicle that costs the same but is vastly inferior in so many ways.

     

    I think Honda should have just left the Ridgeline name to history. Use the money to give as a new S2K.

    I completely agree. The only thing I could think of is maybe in FWD form it gets pretty dang good mpg, for what it is. 

     

    But yes, the other two,heck even the Nissan, all do the small truck thing so much better.

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    Nice that it fits 8x4's flat in the bed with the tail down.   Will be interesting to see the fuel economy ratings..

    Agreed, super nice, especially when you have a load on (imagine if you will... MULCH), you have a flat tire, and realize the spare is accessed through a trapdoor located in the BED FLOOR.  Or how about when you're towing and you realize the tongue weight of the trailer is actually taking weight OFF the primary drive (AND STEERING) wheels?

     

    FWD is simply stupid for anything purporting to be a "real" working truck.  And a Dodge Rampage/Plymouth Scamp at least had the decency to put the spare under the bed... not INSIDE it.

     

    frogger, this is not meant to insult you, I just had to post my views on this useless contraption called Ridgeline.

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    Oh; it's FWD?? If I had bothered to think about it, that would be obvious, but who bothers to ponder the specs of a Honda truck?
    This is the Dodge Rampage / VW Rabbit pickup experiment all over again, isn't it?

     

    The '4x8 with tailgate down' thing is kind of a non-issue- you lay 4x8 stuff on the top edge of the closed tailgate; you don't drive with the gate down, slipping your load on the road at the first intersection. I only gots a 6.5-ft bed, never stops me. But you can't sell it as a 'full size bed…. with the tailgate down' ; that's ridiculous. 

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    I think it is good that it looks more like a pickup, the old Ridgeline looked awkward and not really a truck not really an SUV.   It should be a pretty strong competitor to the other mid-size pick ups, the Honda 3.5 V6 is smooth and reliable, it should have a car-like ride.  It isn't my sort of vehicle, but I think it will be more successful than the last Ridgeline.

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    I am no fan of this truck but I would pay attention to it.

     

    This is the kind of vehicle that could start a new movment easy. The past model even with FWD and a crappy interior did well enought to continue here. This one is closer to where it needs to be.

     

    There are many in rhe CUV maket that this truck appeals to and it does all they like with a litlte better MPG and they like it. It is more of a more useful UTE than than a truck and they are ok with it. This is not a VW pick up as this one will carrly larger items with more ease. It will carry the bulky items better than a CUV.

     

    As for AWD GMC has offered it on the Denalu trucks as in full time AWD in the past and I think it is still offered but I would have to check.

     

    To be honest this truck may do better for what it's not than what it is. This is the Anti truck and some like that.

    ​Also you have the blind Honda buying factor. I think Honda may do better than Nissan and Toyota would with a full size here.

    ​Now I would be affraid of the coming Hyundai truck. Styling alone will sell it as it is sharp looking I hate to say. Word is in the artical I read that it is a matter of when not if that it is built. That one if it has any real capacity it could make an impact on the future of trucks. It has that look GM played with in show trucks but just never had the nerve to pull off.

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    I am no fan of this truck but I would pay attention to it.

     

    This is the kind of vehicle that could start a new movment easy. The past model even with FWD and a crappy interior did well enought to continue here. This one is closer to where it needs to be.

     

    There are many in rhe CUV maket that this truck appeals to and it does all they like with a litlte better MPG and they like it. It is more of a more useful UTE than than a truck and they are ok with it. This is not a VW pick up as this one will carrly larger items with more ease. It will carry the bulky items better than a CUV.

     

    As for AWD GMC has offered it on the Denalu trucks as in full time AWD in the past and I think it is still offered but I would have to check.

     

    To be honest this truck may do better for what it's not than what it is. This is the Anti truck and some like that.

    ​Also you have the blind Honda buying factor. I think Honda may do better than Nissan and Toyota would with a full size here.

    ​Now I would be affraid of the coming Hyundai truck. Styling alone will sell it as it is sharp looking I hate to say. Word is in the artical I read that it is a matter of when not if that it is built. That one if it has any real capacity it could make an impact on the future of trucks. It has that look GM played with in show trucks but just never had the nerve to pull off.

    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

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    I am no fan of this truck but I would pay attention to it.

     

    This is the kind of vehicle that could start a new movment easy. The past model even with FWD and a crappy interior did well enought to continue here. This one is closer to where it needs to be.

     

    There are many in rhe CUV maket that this truck appeals to and it does all they like with a litlte better MPG and they like it. It is more of a more useful UTE than than a truck and they are ok with it. This is not a VW pick up as this one will carrly larger items with more ease. It will carry the bulky items better than a CUV.

     

    As for AWD GMC has offered it on the Denalu trucks as in full time AWD in the past and I think it is still offered but I would have to check.

     

    To be honest this truck may do better for what it's not than what it is. This is the Anti truck and some like that.

    ​Also you have the blind Honda buying factor. I think Honda may do better than Nissan and Toyota would with a full size here.

    ​Now I would be affraid of the coming Hyundai truck. Styling alone will sell it as it is sharp looking I hate to say. Word is in the artical I read that it is a matter of when not if that it is built. That one if it has any real capacity it could make an impact on the future of trucks. It has that look GM played with in show trucks but just never had the nerve to pull off.

    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

     

     

    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

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    The full size GMC Denali truck is offered in 1/2 as a AWD that is not available on the Chevy. Or at least that was the way it was. I drove one a couple years ago and it had the bigger engine and AWD standard along with a Power sun roof. But for $70K it should have had that.

    The Canyon at this point is just regular shift on the fly 4 wheel drive. At least that is all I have seen and I did not see AWD on the Denali Canyon.

    The Full size Serra is what I was referring too. To be honest GMC should make AWD standard on all Denali models but it is what it is.

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    The full size GMC Denali truck is offered in 1/2 as a AWD that is not available on the Chevy. Or at least that was the way it was. I drove one a couple years ago and it had the bigger engine and AWD standard along with a Power sun roof. But for $70K it should have had that.

    The Canyon at this point is just regular shift on the fly 4 wheel drive. At least that is all I have seen and I did not see AWD on the Denali Canyon.

    The Full size Serra is what I was referring too. To be honest GMC should make AWD standard on all Denali models but it is what it is.

     

    I think there is a hit to capability if they do AWD instead of 4x4.  There is also a hit on fuel economy when running AWD all the time, disconnect the drive from the front wheels and get a MPG boost.  People in southern states don't need 4x4 like us northerners do, so no point in forcing it on them at additional cost.

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    I am no fan of this truck but I would pay attention to it.

     

    This is the kind of vehicle that could start a new movment easy. The past model even with FWD and a crappy interior did well enought to continue here. This one is closer to where it needs to be.

     

    There are many in rhe CUV maket that this truck appeals to and it does all they like with a litlte better MPG and they like it. It is more of a more useful UTE than than a truck and they are ok with it. This is not a VW pick up as this one will carrly larger items with more ease. It will carry the bulky items better than a CUV.

     

    As for AWD GMC has offered it on the Denalu trucks as in full time AWD in the past and I think it is still offered but I would have to check.

     

    To be honest this truck may do better for what it's not than what it is. This is the Anti truck and some like that.

    ​Also you have the blind Honda buying factor. I think Honda may do better than Nissan and Toyota would with a full size here.

    ​Now I would be affraid of the coming Hyundai truck. Styling alone will sell it as it is sharp looking I hate to say. Word is in the artical I read that it is a matter of when not if that it is built. That one if it has any real capacity it could make an impact on the future of trucks. It has that look GM played with in show trucks but just never had the nerve to pull off.

    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

     

     

    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

     

    See that makes sense but I could have sworn I read something about an AWD system. Ohhhhh well. Thanks! 

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    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

     

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

     

     

    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

     

    See that makes sense but I could have sworn I read something about an AWD system. Ohhhhh well. Thanks! 

     

    Okay, FOUND IT!

     

    Well.. what I was talking about...

     

    "Rear drive is standard, but our tester was equipped with the optional full-time four-wheel-drive system. "

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-canyon-duramax-diesel-4x4-first-test-review/

     

    I guess when I read "full-time four-wheel-drive system." It made me think AWD. 

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    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

     

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

     

     

    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

     

    See that makes sense but I could have sworn I read something about an AWD system. Ohhhhh well. Thanks! 

     

    Okay, FOUND IT!

     

    Well.. what I was talking about...

     

    "Rear drive is standard, but our tester was equipped with the optional full-time four-wheel-drive system. "

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-canyon-duramax-diesel-4x4-first-test-review/

     

    I guess when I read "full-time four-wheel-drive system." It made me think AWD. 

     

     

    That is a mistake on MotorTrend's part.  It is not full time.

     

    In this picture, look through the steering wheel on the lower left side.  That's the dial that lets you turn the truck to 2wd mode... thus, not "full-time".

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    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

     

     

    So the Escalade and Denali full-size SUVs are not AWD anymore!

     

    FAILURE!!!  Sorry call me a snob, call me what you will but AWD is what is expected on Luxury SUV's and not a 4WD system with a Low Range. 

     

    I now have to go test drive the new Escalade as I love my 2006 Escalade ESV Platinum and I love the new body and was excited to finally upgrade as I did not like the 3rd generation Escalade at all. But Cadillac does not indicate if it is an all the time 4WD system so in essence like AWD or if you only drive in 2WD till you are on rain or snow or off road. So does anyone know if the 4WD mode is like AWD 4HI working all the time or is this a RWD Bias that you have to put into 4WD?

     

    AWD is what set Cadillac apart from Chevy and most GMC except the Denali. 

     

    AWD is and should be standard on the Cadillac Escalade. This makes me think some old Fart from the old days is screwing up Cadillac again or did the new Cadillac leader screw this up?

     

    If the new SRX has AWD, why not Escalade?

     

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    Okay, I thought when I was reading one of the new Canyon reviews in the past few weeks that I read something like "active all wheel drive" or "full time all wheel drive" in one of the reviews but I couldn't find it later when I had time. I was confused. I thought it was 2WD or 4WD not an AWD-anything.

     

     

     

    Anyway anybody could confirm yes or no to this?

     

     

    The Canyon is not AWD, it is 2WD or 4WD like most trucks. There is no difference in the Denali. 

     

    The Denali trucks and full-size SUVs, and Escalade used to come with active full-time AWD, but they are now 2wd/4wd. 

     

    See that makes sense but I could have sworn I read something about an AWD system. Ohhhhh well. Thanks! 

     

    Okay, FOUND IT!

     

    Well.. what I was talking about...

     

    "Rear drive is standard, but our tester was equipped with the optional full-time four-wheel-drive system. "

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-gmc-canyon-duramax-diesel-4x4-first-test-review/

     

    I guess when I read "full-time four-wheel-drive system." It made me think AWD. 

     

     

    That is a mistake on MotorTrend's part.  It is not full time.

     

    In this picture, look through the steering wheel on the lower left side.  That's the dial that lets you turn the truck to 2wd mode... thus, not "full-time".

     

    Awesome, that's what I figured. It sounds really odd for a mid-size truck to be AWD to begin with. 

     

    Thanks for the clarification, and I'm glad I found what "caught my eye" and got it cleared up. 

     

    Oh yeah, Ridgeline.

     

    Uhhh... Looks decent.. worse than the other 4 mid-sizers. FWD better return spectacular fuel economy. Buy a Tacoma or a Canyon Duramax. 

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    What is really the difference between a full time 4wd and AWD?  My 99 Z71 has a multimode 4wd hat includes 2WD, high, low, and full-time.  And in the fulltime mode it will transfer power between axles for traction.  03-04 Dakotas also offered a fulltime 4wd system with full-time, 4 high, and 4 low.  I am pretty sure the Canyon is available with a fulltime 4wd system as well.  it is one of the things I liked in the Canyon vs the Colorado.  It would still have a 2WD setting btw. 

     

    The only thing really special is the torque vectoring in the Honda system and one has to think what ood is that gonna be on a truck?

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    What is really the difference between a full time 4wd and AWD?  My 99 Z71 has a multimode 4wd hat includes 2WD, high, low, and full-time.  And in the fulltime mode it will transfer power between axles for traction.  03-04 Dakotas also offered a fulltime 4wd system with full-time, 4 high, and 4 low.  I am pretty sure the Canyon is available with a fulltime 4wd system as well.  it is one of the things I liked in the Canyon vs the Colorado.  It would still have a 2WD setting btw. 

     

    The only thing really special is the torque vectoring in the Honda system and one has to think what ood is that gonna be on a truck?

     

    "Full time 4WD, also called permanent 4WD, (not to be confused with:part time 4WD ) is a system that powers all four wheels at all times and it can be used full time on all surfaces including pavement. The additional feature of a differential incorporated into the transfer case makes it possible to use 4WD all the time.

    2WD is not available (only part time 4WD offers that option)"

     

     http://www.rubicon-trail.com/4WD101/difference_4WD_awd.html

     

    The system the "auto" system that Chevy does, my Avalanche had it, leaves the front wheels on partially.   In Auto, I could drive it normally.  In 4Hi, the front wheels would bind up if I tried to take too tight of a turn. It was more of a "locked front end" when in 4Hi.

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      Event Chairman Doug North noted that the M1 Concourse was envisioned as part of the 2021 Motor Bella activities, so it was "a natural progression" to build upon it in light of the growing demand for experiential mobility shows and an increased appetite for outdoor events as a result of the pandemic. Motor Bella was originally conceived as a celebration of Italian and British supercars and classic vehicles and was to have debuted at the June 2020 NAIAS.
      "With our new program for 2021, we will take the Motor Bella concept to the next level with multiple brands and mobilities represented, from hometown to international nameplates, autonomous vehicles to high-performance supercars and everything in between," North said. "It will be a mobility-filled event. One that will provide our show partners with a cost-efficient backdrop to share all of their brands, products and technologies in a fun and festival-like atmosphere that's completely outdoors." 
      Jordan Zlotoff, CEO of M1 Concourse, said, "We are proud and honored to be hosting this world-class automotive event. Motor Bella will allow journalists, industry executives and the public to interact with vehicles in a fully dynamic and experiential format, well beyond the limitations of static displays. As the largest Private Garage community in the world, we at M1 Concourse share the enthusiasm for creating a unique automotive environment built specifically for car enthusiasts."
      North added, "We see this outdoor experience at M1 as a bridge to the future. One that will continue to evolve as we explore new ways of presenting mobility and as we navigate through these unprecedented times. We are very cognizant of the importance and impact our show and our events have on the state and the entire metro Detroit area. This will always be part of our considerations for the future."
      Dates for the 2021 Motor Bella are: 
      Press Preview, Tuesday, Sept. 21 AutoMobili-D, Tuesday, Sept. 21 through a half-day Thursday, Sept. 23 Industry Preview, Wednesday, Sept. 22 and a half-day Thursday, Sept. 23 Public Show, Thursday, Sept. 23 through Sunday, Sept. 26
    • By William Maley
      Volkswagen's electric car offensive has already started in Europe with the ID.3. The next step is taking on the U.S. with the next electric vehicle, the ID.4 introduced today.
      The ID.4 looks very close to the concept that was first shown back in 2017 with such details as the VW logo smack dab in the middle with a light bar running across; wide air dam for the front,  flowing lines, and a full-length lightbar at the rear. In terms of size, the ID.4 is about 4.6 inches shorter, 1.9 inches lower, and 0.5 inches wider than the Tiguan sold in the U.S. No word on weight.
      For the interior, Volkswagen went minimalist. The driver faces 5.3-inch digital display and is able to change gear via a knob on the right side of bezel - similar to the BMW i3. Either a 10 or 12-inch touchscreen display handles the infotainment duties. Interior space is quite generous with 99.9 cubic feet of passenger space and 30.3 cubic feet of cargo space.
      At launch, the ID.4 will only be available with a single electric motor mounted on the rear axle providing 201 horsepower and 228 pound-feet of torque. An 82-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery pack provides the juice. Range is estimated at 250 miles. A dual-motor version with 302 horsepower and all-wheel drive will come out sometime next year.
      For charging, Volkswagen says that on a Level Two charger, the ID.4 takes around 7.5 hours from an empty battery. If you can find a DC fast charger, the recharge time drops significantly: Volkswagen claims that the battery can reach an 80% charge in 38 minutes.
      Pricing for the ID.4 will begin at $39,995 for the base Pro when it arrives at dealers at the end of the year. No mention on destination. But Volkswagen is planning to drop the price of the ID.4 once production begins at the Chattanooga Assembly Plant in Tennessee.
       
      Source: Volkswagen
      Press Release is on Page 2


      Volkswagen unveils the all-new 2021 ID.4 electric SUV
      Sep 23, 2020
      Reservations for the ID.4 start online today with 50-state launch in early 2021 MSRP starts at $39,995 for ID.4 Pro before potential $7,500 Federal tax credit Estimated 250 miles of range on ID.4 1st Edition Compact SUV will be available in rear-wheel drive 201-hp 82 kWh (launching first) and all-wheel-drive 302-hp 82 kWh configurations Three years of fast charging with Electrify America at no additional cost Modern design pairs with high-tech features, like DRIVE® advanced driver assistance technology and a smart infotainment system, using voice and touch Localized production in Chattanooga, starting in 2022 with anticipated MSRP around $35,000 Herndon, VA — Volkswagen of America, Inc. revealed the all-new ID.4 electric SUV today—the brand’s first long-range EV to be sold stateside. This compact SUV will offer all the best features of Volkswagen’s current lineup—hallmark driving dynamics, bold design, and advanced technology—along with long-range EV capability and three years of fast charging with Electrify America for no additional cost, to customers in the largest segment in the U.S., all with a price point aimed at the heart of the segment.
      “The ID.4 was engineered, loaded and priced to win the hearts of SUV owners who are simply ready to go electric—and fall in love with Volkswagen again,” said Scott Keogh, CEO, Volkswagen Group of America. “It drives like a GTI, it has the packaging of a Tiguan and the purpose of the Beetle. All the best things about VW in one package.”
      Powertrain & Charging
      The ID.4 electric compact SUV is based on the modular electric drive architecture (MEB). While it is the brand’s newest platform, it also represents a return to Volkswagen’s roots, with the electric motor located at the rear, just like the original Beetle.
      The heart of the ID.4 is a battery pack comprised of 288 pouch cells in 12 modules, positioned in the underbody to create a low center of gravity for optimal driving dynamics as well as extremely well-balanced weight distribution. It is housed in a lightweight aluminum structure that is bolted to the frame, helping to improve rigidity.
      At launch, the vehicle will be offered with an 82kWh (gross) battery and a rear-mounted AC permanent-magnet synchronous motor with 201 horsepower and 228 pound-feet of torque. Volkswagen estimates that the ID.4 82kWh RWD 1st Edition models will have a range of 250 miles with a full charge on the EPA cycle. A powerful, electric all-wheel-drive variant with 302 hp will follow later in 2021.
      The ID.4 also comes with three years of fast charging with Electrify America at no additional cost, helping to reduce range anxiety. The ID.4 can be charged with both alternating current (AC) and direct current (DC) fast-charging capability. The 11 kW onboard charger allows the ID.4 to charge the battery 33 miles in about one hour, and charges to full in around seven and a half hours at a home or public Level 2 charger. At a DC fast-charging station, with 125 kW charging, the ID.4 can go from five to 80 percent charged in about 38 minutes.
      Chassis
      The ID.4 is designed to be strong, yet agile. The chassis and body are made from steel. The front suspension is a strut-type with lower control arms, coil springs, telescopic dampers and anti-roll bar. In the rear, the ID.4 uses a multi-link rear axle with coil springs, telescopic dampers and an anti-roll bar. With 3.5 turns lock-to-lock and a stellar curb-to-curb turning radius of 33.5 feet, the ID.4 feels nimble, especially among other compact SUVs.
      A combination of brake types is used on ID.4. It features disc brakes on the front wheels and drum brakes on the rear—the difference being specific to electric vehicle needs. As EVs rely on regenerative braking, disc brakes on the rear can be less effective than drums after long periods of not being put to heavy use.
      Exterior
      Like the platform, the design of ID.4 represents a move towards the future with a nod to the past. At the front, the Volkswagen logo is able to be positioned centrally because there is no radiator grille, as it was on the Beetle. Large LED headlights flow backwards, hinting at the aerodynamic nature of the car, while a sculpted front bumper with large intake-like scoops and honeycomb accents give the car a powerful presence. Models fitted with the Statement package add an illuminated Volkswagen logo and an illuminated light line that stretches outward from it, creating a striking light signature.
      Front to back, clean, flowing lines alternate with crisp edges for a refined, yet futuristic look. A softly molded side section curves under the crisp rising shoulder line and flush illuminated door handles. The low greenhouse runs out into a strong C-pillar—a classic Volkswagen design feature—and into a long spoiler. The ID.4’s aerodynamically refined exterior helps it achieve an excellent drag coefficient of 0.28.
      The ID.4 sits squarely in the middle of the compact SUV segment, size-wise. It is 4.6 inches shorter than the Volkswagen Tiguan, at 180.5 inches, with a 0.9 inch shorter wheelbase at 108.9 inches. It is 1.9 inches lower than Tiguan at 64.4 inches high for the rear-wheel drive model, and 0.5 inches wider, at 72.9 inches.
      The ID.4 will available in six exterior colors—Glacier White Metallic, Mythos Black Metallic, Moonstone Grey, Scale Silver Metallic, Blue Dusk Metallic and King’s Red Metallic. All models come with a body color roof, black roof rails, and 19-inch aluminum alloy wheels. The Statement package adds a panoramic fixed-glass roof, premium LED projector headlights with Volkswagen’s Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS) and power-folding side mirrors with puddle lamp signature, while the Gradient package (sold on top of the Statement package) upgrades to 20-inch wheels, black roof, and silver roof rails and accents.
      Interior
      Volkswagen’s first fully-electric SUV features ample space and a modern design. Passenger volume is similar to the Tiguan despite the overall smaller footprint, with 99.9 cubic feet total. Legroom is a comfortable 41.1 inches for front passengers and 37.6 inches in the rear seat. Cargo volume is 30.3 cubic feet behind the second row, and 64.2 cubic feet with the seats folded.
      The interior of the ID.4 mirrors the futuristic look of the exterior, with functionality almost completely controlled by touch or voice control. The 5.3-inch ID.Cockpit (digital driver display) replaces the traditional instrument cluster and is operated with touch-sensitive controls on the leather-wrapped multifunction heated steering wheel. Three tiles show the most important information, with the display for battery status and range underneath. The traditional gearshift is replaced by a large rocker switch on the right of the ID.Cockpit, and a control panel to the left of the steering wheel integrates the lighting functions, including automatic headlights.
      A 10-inch Discover Pro touch infotainment display is located in the middle of the dash panel, angled slightly towards the driver. This screen can be configured to driver preference, and manages the standard navigation system, all telematics, entertainment, driver-assistance systems and vehicle settings; it is upgraded to a 12-inch Discover Pro Max infotainment display with the Statement package. Menus can be moved using gesture control, simply swiping one’s hand in front of the screen. Sliders for volume and temperature adjustment are located on the inclined surface below the display.
      “Hello ID.” natural voice control is standard in the ID.4. The car follows the instructions spoken by the driver and passengers and is capable of understanding many commands from everyday language, such as “Hello ID., I’m cold” to turn up the heat.
      The ID.4 will feature ID. Light—a light strip below the windshield to support drivers in a host of situations with intuitive lighting effects in different colors and sound prompts. For example, ID. Light signals to the driver that the vehicle’s drive system is active and that the car has been unlocked or locked. It accentuates information issued by some of the driver-assistance and navigation systems and signals, both visually and acoustically, details like charge status indicator, braking prompts and incoming phone calls.
      The steering wheel, steering column, and the housings for the display and control panels in the doors are finished in Piano Black. Seats in the ID.4 are finished in black cloth on entry models and Lunar Gray or Galaxy Black leatherette on models with the Statement package. Entry ID.4 models feature six-way adjustable seats with power recline, while the Statement package adds 12-way power seats, with massage lumbar and memory, as well as 30-color ambient lighting.
      ID.4 offers a range of comfort and convenience features found throughout the rest of the brand’s lineup. Standard features include rain-sensing wipers, auto-dimming rearview mirror, dual-zone Climatronic® climate control, and KESSY® keyless access. To manage cold temperatures, the ID.4 features a standard heated steering wheel, heated side mirrors and washer nozzles, and, on all-wheel-drive models, a heated windshield. The Statement package adds SiriusXM® satellite radio with a three-month trial, an adjustable trunk floor, and a power tailgate with Easy Open & Close.
      To complete the high-tech package, ID.4 offers standard wireless mobile charging, wireless App-Connect, and Volkswagen Car-Net® with in-car WiFi capability when you subscribe to a data plan. Car-Net Hotspot allows passengers to access the internet with up to four connected devices simultaneously, including tablets, smartphones, laptops, gaming devices, and more—all at 4G LTE-enabled speed.
      Safety & Driver Assistance Technology
      To help protect occupants, the ID.4 provides a combination of both passive and active safety systems. It features six airbags as standard—front and side airbags for front passengers, and side curtain airbags for outboard seating positions. Additionally there are a number of electronic safety systems, such as an Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and Electronic Stability Control (ESC).
      With regards to the battery, an extruded aluminum frame protects the battery system against damage in the event of a crash, and a replaceable aluminum underbody panel protects the battery against the road. Additionally, the battery is also disabled if the vehicle is involved in a serious accident.
      With the standard IQ.DRIVE® advanced driver assistance technology, all ID.4 models include Forward Collision Warning and Autonomous Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Monitoring (Front Assist); Blind Spot Monitor (Side Assist); Rear Traffic Alert; Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC); Lane Keeping System (Lane Assist); Travel Assist; and Emergency Assist. In addition to IQ.DRIVE features, the ID.4 includes Dynamic Road Sign Display; Park Distance Control; and High Beam Control (Light Assist).
      Pricing & Sales
      Pricing for the ID.4 starts at $39,995, for the rear-wheel-drive ID.4 Pro (available in the first quarter of 2021), before a potential Federal tax credit of up to $7,500 is applied. With those credits, the entry price of ID.4 is on par with the 2021 Tiguan SEL.  For highly qualified customers through Volkswagen Credit, the monthly lease payment for a 36-month lease with 10,000 miles a year, is $379 per month with $3,579 due at signing, excluding tax, title, license, options and dealer fees.
      Starting later in 2021, the ID.4 AWD Pro ($43,695) will be available. Both Pro models carry largely the same equipment, with AWD models putting out 302 hp, and adding a heated windshield and tow hitch. These models can be additionally outfitted with two packages—Statement ($4,500), and Gradient ($1,500), which is only offered with Statement.
      The ID.4 launches with a limited-run ID.4 1st Edition (MSRP $43,995). The 1st Edition models feature the same content as the Pro model, and Statement package (minus illuminated VW logo) and Gradient package come standard. These models also include unique features including accelerator and brake pedals with “play” and “pause” logos, the steering wheel and column, radio bezel and door island finished in Electric White, 1st Edition badging, black mirror caps, and a tow hitch.
      Volkswagen plans to offer the ID.4 electric vehicle across all 50 states, and throughout its network of more than 600 dealers. A reservation platform debuts today on VW.com, allowing customers to reserve an ID.4 before it hits dealer showrooms, with a fully refundable $100 reservation fee. As vehicle production starts, reservation holders will be invited to confirm their order with an additional fully refundable $400 vehicle deposit. From placing a reservation, to production and through delivery, the customer can see where they stand and when they can expect their ID. 4 to arrive at their preferred local VW dealer in a simple, transparent process. At that time, the customer can transact with their dealer and complete their purchase.

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