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    Meet the 2016 Chevrolet Camaro


    • Meet Camaro Six


    Chevrolet has been teasing it for awhile and at a event in Belle Isle - near Detroit, MI - Camaro Six or the 2016 Camaro has been introduced.

     

    Now if you were expecting a new style for the Camaro, then you'll be slightly disappointed as the basic shape is the same. Sure there are some slight changes to the front and rear, but Chevrolet played it safe. Don't mess with success.

     

    At least under the skin, there are some massive changes. The big story is the Camaro utilizing a modified version of the Alpha platform found under the Cadillac ATS and CTS. Chevrolet says the Camaro is 28 percent more rigid than the outgoing model thanks to the switch to Alpha. Also the Camaro is expected handle better thanks to a slightly smaller size and 200 pound weight loss.

     

    The suspension has been updated with a new multi-link MacPherson strut setup in the front, and a five-link independent setup in the rear. Brembo brakes become an option for most models, while SS gets them as standard. The SS also gets Magnetic Ride Control as standard.

     

    Like the Ford Mustang, the Chevrolet Camaro will boast a turbo-four, V6, and V8 engines. Here's what the lineup will look like,

    • Turbocharged 2.0L Four: 275 Horsepower, 295 Pound-Feet of Torque
    • 3.6L V6: 335 Horsepower, 284 Pound-Feet of Torque
    • 6.2L LT1 V8: 455 Horsepower, 455 Pound-Feet of Torque


    All engines get a choice of either a six-speed manual or an eight-speed automatic.

     

    Moving inside, the Camaro gets a new instrument panel that gets an optional eight-inch screen to show entertainment, navigation, and performance information. Another eight-inch screen in the center provides Chevrolet's MyLink infotainment system.

     

    No word on pricing, but Chevrolet says the Camaro will be arriving at dealers in the fourth quarter.

     

    Source: Chevrolet

     

     

    Press Release is on Page 2


     

    2016 Camaro Establishes New Performance Benchmark

    • Five-year segment leader is lighter, more powerful, with more advanced technology


    DETROIT – The sixth-generation Chevrolet Camaro revealed today offers higher levels of performance, technology and refinement and is designed to maintain the sporty car segment leadership earned over the past five years.

     

    The Gen Six Camaro provides a faster, more nimble driving experience, enabled by an all-new, lighter architecture and a broader powertrain range. Six all-new powertrain combinations are offered, including a 2.0L Turbo, an all-new 3.6L V-6 and the LT1 6.2L V-8, which is SAE-certified at 455 horsepower (339 kW) and 455 lb-ft of torque (617 Nm) – for the most powerful Camaro SS ever. Each engine is available with a six-speed manual or eight-speed automatic transmission.

     

    Camaro’s leaner, stiffer platform and slightly smaller dimensions are accentuated by a dramatic, sculpted exterior. Meticulously tuned in the wind tunnel, the exterior contributes to performance through reduced aerodynamic lift for better handling while enhancing efficiency.

     

    A driver-focused interior integrates class-leading control technologies, including a new Driver Mode Selector, configurable instrument cluster and a customizable ambient lighting feature.

     

    “Redesigning the Camaro is thrilling and challenging all at once, but the secret is to offer something more,” said Mark Reuss, General Motors executive vice president of Product Development. “For Camaro enthusiasts, it retains iconic design cues and offers even more performance. For a new generation of buyers, the 2016 Camaro incorporates our most innovative engineering ideas with finely honed performance and leading design.”

     

    Only two parts carry over from the fifth-generation Camaro to the new Gen Six: the rear bowtie emblem and the SS badge.

     

    To make it not only the best Camaro ever, but one of the best performance cars available, Chevrolet focused on three pillars of development:

     

    Performance

    • Vehicle mass has been reduced by 200 pounds or more, depending on the model, creating a more nimble, responsive driving experience
    • Most efficient Camaro ever, with a new 2.0L turbo SAE-certified at 275 hp (205 kW) and 295 lb-ft (400 Nm) – and delivers more than 30 mpg on the highway (GM-estimated), and 0-60 mph acceleration well under 6 seconds
    • Efficient performance in a new 3.6L V-6 featuring direct injection, continuously variable valve timing and – for the first time – Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation), offering an SAE-certified 335 hp (250 kW) and 284 lb-ft of torque (385 Nm), for the highest specific output of any naturally aspirated V-6 in the segment
    • The most powerful Camaro SS ever, with a new 6.2L LT1 direct-injected Small Block V-8 rated at 455 hp (339 kW) and 455 lb-ft of torque (617 Nm)
    • Magnetic Ride Control active suspension available on Camaro SS for the first time
    • With improved handling and performance, the Camaro SS delivers better lap times than the fifth-generation’s track-focused Camaro 1LE package.


    Technology

    • All-new Drive Mode Selector, which tailors up to eight vehicle attributes for four modes: Snow/Ice, Tour, Sport and – on SS models – Track settings
    • Segment-exclusive, Interior Spectrum Lighting that offers 24 different ambient lighting effects on the dash, door panels, and center console
    • High-definition, configurable color displays – including available dual, 8-inch-diagonal screens.


    Design

    • More athletic-looking, sculptured exterior that complements the tighter, leaner architecture – and offers all-new, modern lighting signatures, including light-emitting diode (LED) technology
    • Greater emphasis on customer personalization with wider range of choices, including 10 exterior colors, five interior color combinations, lighting options and a full complement of dealer-available accessories available at launch – including wheels, stripe packages and additional accessories
    • Aerodynamically optimized design that is the result of 350 hours of wind tunnel testing, reducing drag on LT models and improving downforce on SS
    • All-new, interior with shifter-focused center console, intuitive controls, flat-bottom steering wheel, and higher quality materials throughout
    • Unique control rings around the air vents used for temperature and fan speed adjustments, eliminating the need for conventional buttons


    “We have had the incredible opportunity to meet literally thousands of Gen 5 Camaro owners who provided direct feedback on what they loved about their car and what they wanted for the next-gen Camaro,” said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. “As a result, the 2016 Camaro builds on what made the current Camaro such a success with more power, more agile handling and more technology.

     

    “We expect it will set the new benchmark in the segment – and give a new generation of enthusiasts a reason to fall in love with Camaro.”

     

    The Gen Six Camaro goes on sale later this year, offered in LT and SS models.

     

    Lightweight architecture and chassis systems
    Approximately 70 percent of the architectural components are unique to Camaro. Through extensive computer-aided engineering, structural rigidity was increased by 28 percent, while the body-in-white mass was reduced by 133 pounds (60.5 kg).

     

    In their quest to make the 2016 Camaro as lean as possible, engineers and designers evaluated every aspect of its architecture – already the most mass-efficient ever created by GM – and supporting elements, saving grams here and pounds there that contributes to the car’s lower curb weight. As a result, the total curb weight for Camaro has been reduced by more than 200 pounds (90 kg).

     

    Significant weight savings came from using an aluminum instrument panel frame instead of steel, which saved 9.2 pounds (4.2 kg). The use of lightweight components, including aluminum front suspension links and steel rear suspension links with lightening holes, in the new five-link rear suspension system contributed to a 26-pound (12 kg) reduction in the overall suspension weight. With the lighter, stiffer architecture and more powerful engines, the Gen Six Camaro SS delivers better lap times than the fifth-generation’s track-focused Camaro 1LE package.

     

    “The driving experience is significantly different,” said Aaron Link, lead development engineer. “Immediately, you will notice how much lighter and more nimble the Camaro feels. That feeling increases when you drive the Camaro harder – it brakes more powerfully, dives into corners quicker, and accelerates faster than ever.”

     

    The Camaro features a new, multi-link MacPherson strut front suspension with Camaro-specific geometry. The double-pivot design provides a more precise feeling of control, including more linear and communicative feel from the quick-ratio electric power steering system. At the rear, a new five-link independent suspension yields outstanding wheel control and reduces “squat” during acceleration.

     

    In addition, the Magnetic Ride Control is available on the Camaro SS for the first time. Previously limited to the Camaro ZL1, the active suspension reads road and driving conditions 1,000 times per second, and automatically adjusts the damper settings to optimize ride comfort and control.

     

    All Camaro models offer Brembo brakes – they’re standard on SS – optimized for the car’s mass and performance capability. On Camaro LT, the available brakes include 12.6-inch (320 mm) front rotors with four-piston calipers and 12.4-inch (315 mm) rear rotors with single-piston sliding calipers. Camaro SS employs 13.6-inch (345 mm) front rotors with four-piston fixed calipers and 13.3-inch (338 mm) rear rotors with four-piston fixed calipers.

     

    Goodyear tires are used on all models: The LT features standard 18-inch wheels wrapped with Goodyear Eagle Sport all-season tires and available 20-inch wheels matched with Eagle F1 Asymmetric all-season run-flat tires. Camaro SS features standard 20-inch aluminum wheels with Eagle F1 Asymmetric 3 run-flat tires.

     

    More powerful and efficient
    The new Camaro will be offered with six different powertrain combinations, each designed to deliver improved performance and efficiency.

     

    The Camaro LT’s standard engine is a new 2.0L Turbo, rated at an SAE-certified 275 horsepower (205 kW) and 295 lb-ft of torque (400 Nm). For power on demand, it offers a wide torque band with 90 percent of peak torque available from 2,100 rpm to 3,000 rpm, and maximum torque from 3,000 to 4,500 rpm. The 2.0L turbo will deliver 0-60 mph acceleration in less than six seconds and offer more than 30 mpg on the highway (GM-estimated), making it the most fuel-efficient Camaro ever.

     

    An all-new 3.6L V-6 is available in the Camaro LT, producing and SAE-certified 335 horsepower (250 kW) and 284 lb-ft of torque (385 Nm), for the highest specific output of any naturally aspirated V-6 in the segment. The engine incorporates a trio of technologies for uncompromised efficiency and performance, including direct injection, variable valve timing and, for the first time, Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation), which disables two cylinders under light throttle applications to enhance efficiency.

     

    The 2.0L turbo and 3.6L V-6 engines are offered with a six-speed manual transmission or the all-new Hydra-Matic 8L45 paddle-shift eight-speed automatic transmission. It’s based on the Hydra-Matic 8L90 eight-speed, but scaled for the performance envelope of the smaller engines and offering an estimated 5-percent efficiency improvement over a comparable six-speed automatic.

     

    Camaro SS is powered by the 6.2L LT1 V-8 engine introduced on the Corvette Stingray. About 20 percent of the components are specific for the Camaro’s architecture, including new, tubular “tri-Y”-type exhaust manifolds. It also offers advanced technologies such as variable valve timing, direct injection and Active Fuel Management (on automatic-equipped models) to help balance efficiency and performance. Output is SAE-certified at 455 horsepower (339 kW) and 455 lb-ft of torque (617 Nm), making it the most-powerful Camaro SS ever.

     

    The LT1 engine is available with a standard six-speed manual transmission – with new Active Rev Match technology that “blips” the throttle for perfectly timed downshifts – or the Hydra-Matic 8L90 paddle-shift eight-speed automatic.

     

    Each engine has been carefully tuned for a distinctive performance sound. All 2.0L turbo models feature active noise cancellation, which uses sound waves to cancel unwanted cabin noise. Models equipped with the available Bose audio system also feature engine sound enhancement, which amplifies the native sounds of the 2.0L turbo engine – and can be disabled based on the driver’s preference.

     

    Both the 3.6L V-6 and 6.2L V-8 feature mechanical sound enhancers – resonators that direct induction noise from the engine bay into the cabin. Both engines are available with a dual-mode exhaust, which features electronically controlled valves that bypass the mufflers under acceleration, delivering improved performance and greater sound levels. With the dual-mode exhaust, drivers can personalize the exhaust sound, from a “stealth” mode to the most aggressive “track” mode.

     

    Compact, athletic design
    The exterior of the Camaro is more sculpted and more muscular effect that makes the new car look significantly lower and wider than before, even though it is within two inches of the exterior dimensions of the current Camaro:

     

    “From every angle, you’ll never mistake this for anything but a Camaro,” said Tom Peters, design director. “We’ve taken that iconic design and amplified its proportions to reflect a more dynamic driving experience – like the T-shirt on a muscular physique.”

     

    The front of the Camaro is defined by a cross-car grille/headlamp aperture, a signature cue that dates to the first generation. The new, expressive execution gives the Camaro a stronger, more determined face. It also displays a new, nearly fastback profile that flows into the pronounced haunches of the rear fenders, enhancing the wider, more aggressive stance.

     

    A more expressive take on the taillamps blends the horizontal aesthetic of the first generation with a dual-element theme and aggressive tapers for a contemporary appearance. Additionally, SS models have a unique rear spoiler.

     

    Standard lighting includes halogen projector beam headlamps and taillamps. RS and SS models add high-intensity discharge, or HID, projector-beam headlamps and LED “signature lighting” daytime running lights – including a sweeping LED lightpipe integrated in the headlamp and an LED light pipe integrated into the front fascia. RS and SS models also feature LED lighting for the rear taillamps, including auxiliary LED light guides that mirror the shape of the front signature lighting.

     

    In many cases, the exterior design not only communicates the performance capabilities of the new Camaro, but contributes to them. For example, the teams spent more than 350 hours testing the Camaro in the wind tunnel, meticulously tailoring the exterior to improve cooling and reduce aerodynamic lift and drag.

     

    Aerodynamic details include a subtle “air curtain” on the front fascia, which guides air around the wheels rather than into the wheelhouses, reducing drag. Also, the Camaro SS has a unique front fascia with integrated brake cooling ducts and a unique hood with functional air vents, which improve engine cooling and reduce front lift.

     

    All models share a more pronounced, sculpted roof panel that improves the structural rigidity of the roof for greater refinement. The roof is assembled using laser brazing, eliminating the need for “ditch channel” seams and cover trim, giving the car a sleeker appearance while saving half a kilogram compared to traditional spot welding.

     

    There’s also a new interpretation of the Camaro’s iconic red, white and blue “banner” insignia, displayed on the front fenders.

     

    Driver-focused interior and technologies
    Like the exterior, the interior is completely new yet instantly recognizable. The instrument panel, for example, is a departure from the previous model, but retains the Camaro’s familiar dual-binnacle-style instrument cluster hood.

     

    “Given the level of technology and performance, the interior had to be modern and driver focused.” said Ryan Vaughan, interior design manager. “But although the interior is an all new design, it is still instinctively recognizable as a Camaro.”

     

    The instrument cluster features analog instruments to provide the driver with essential performance information, as well as an available eight-inch-diagonal high-definition center screen that can be configured to provide additional information including navigation, performance, and infotainment features.

     

    Another eight-inch screen, integrated in the center of the instrument panel, serves as the interface for the enhanced, next-generation MyLink system.

     

    The new center console and center stack are designed with high performance driving in mind. For example, the heating and cooling controls are integrated into rings surrounding the air ducts. Eliminating the associated buttons makes the cabin feel more spacious, and makes adjusting the temperature easy while keeping your eyes on the road.

     

    An electronic parking brake replaces the previous mechanical parking brake handle. This enabled the cup holders to be repositioned for improved range of motion when shifting in manual-transmission models.

     

    An available, segment-first LED ambient lighting system, integrated in the dash, door panels and center console, offers 24 different colors, as well as fade and transition effects that spread across the interior. There’s even a theatrical “car show” mode that cycles randomly through the entire color spectrum when the Camaro is parked.

     

    The ambient lighting is one of eight attributes the driver can adjust using the Camaro’s new Driver Mode Selector– accessed via a switch on the center console. The system enables the driver to tailor the look, sound and feel of 2016 Camaro to their preferences and driving conditions:

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    Looks pretty much the same as Gen 5, I wish they went away from the retro look interior and to more of the modern Chevy interior.   The lower front grille is huge, I think it would look better with a larger upper grille and smaller on the bottom.  Too many cars do that big lower grill look.

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    I know a lot of people are going to bitch about the fact that GM didn't go far enough with the styling but as a three time Camaro owner I can tell you that I really like this.  It maintains the heritage styling cues while looking more sleek and athletic.  I honestly was not a fan of the initial 5th gen exterior but thought the refresh improved the looks.  This takes it the next step.  The 200 lb weight loss should help and I have no problem with the turbo 4 pot as the base engine.  Honestly if I was going to buy a Camaro and not buy the V8, I would take the turbo 4 over the V6 as they are much easier to extract more power out of.  All in all, I say good job GM!

     

    Here's how I would rate the pony cars on style:

     

    2012                                      2016

    1) Challenger                        1) Challenger

    2) Mustang                            2) Camaro

    3) Camaro                             3) Mustang

     

    Since I have not driven the latest Mustang or obviously this Camaro, here is my guess what the performance order will be for 2016:

    1a) Camaro

    1b) Mustang

    2) Challenger (excludes Hellcat)

     

    I have recently had the good fortune to drive a Scat Pack Challenger, though, and I can say that is a very sweet ride and in a straight line may out perform the Camaro SS and Mustang GT.  While it turns well enough on the street, on a track I highly doubt it would hold its own against either the SS or GT.

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    This car is about what I expected and I am good with that.

    The nose is much like the last 5th gen to extend the line. The roof and c pillar have a lot of C7 in them and the rear has a taste of the 4th gen tail with bits of new all around.

     

    The real sweet thing is this car will have more refinement than any Camaro that has ever been built. There was no compromise here this time where they ran out of money before they finished the car. The interior will have much better materials with fit and finish. This area always got short changed even in Gen one.

     

    The weight is down and the power is up. The platform we already know is world class and is not contingent to also being a luxury car this time.

     

    I fully expect the base SS to  bear out the Mustang GT. The Challenge really is not even in the conversation till they get a new platform. The Hell Cat got them some attention in light of a coming Mustang and Camaro revamp but in time that too will wear off as this and The Mustang are the complete package. There is more to life today than just spinning $250 tires to make smoke.

     

    I love the blue and the RS spoiler as it fits the cars lines well. The interior is great in all but one area for me.

     

    The only real issues I have are one the SS wing. It just looks dated and tacked on. Not a big fan of it. If I were to buy an SS I would delete the wing and buy the RS spoiler.

    The interior I love especially in red and black. But the radio screen just looks like a GPS mounted to the dash and the Gauge pod would look better if it were connected at the top completely and no cut out.

     

    Both of my hates are minor and should not be major issues with most buyers.

     

    I expect the SS to really turn some heads with performance in all areas of stop, go and turn much like the C7 did and the later performance models will do just as the Z06 has done. This is the best Camaro out of the gate we have ever seen and it will only get better.

     

    By the way I love the engine line up. The Camaro has never had three good choices like this. I just wish they had a Premium Required option on the Turbo so it would be over 300 HP. I do expect a upgrade kit for it much like my SS and the Solstice. With that the Solstice had 340 FT LBS. Image that in this car.

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    You can get a 2016 Camaro with a 2.0L 4 cyl. putting out 275 hp and 295 ft lbs. of torque.

     

    There was the 1993 Camaro Z28 with an LT1 V8 that put out 275 hp and 325 ft. lbs. of torque.

     

    I'd say there has been some progress made in engine technology and efficiency in the past 20+ years.

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    The performance battle with the Mustang should be pretty close.   I think the Ecoboost Mustang will beat the 4 and 6 cylinder Camaros because the Ecoboost has 320 lb-ft and weighs 3500 lbs.  The Camaro SS has more muscle than the Mustang V8 though, should be a little quicker than the Mustang GT.   The pony car war is heating up I think.

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    They've done a fantastic job modernizing the car without losing its identity.  I like the fact that it is not retro, yet it still honors the first-gen car.  A lot of people were hoping six would borrow from the second gen, and I may have been one of them back then, but not now.  The 2016 Camaro is truly a knockout.  I would probably choose the 2.0t over the 3.6L too, with a six speed manual, if I were in the market.

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    Perfection. We should be all glad this car exists in the age of electrics and driverless cars. I love this car inside and out. It's bold where the mustang is flaccid. Go GM! This would be an awesome daily driver. Spread the word! This is the new age of the muscle car. Want mpg? U got it. Want to shred tires? You got it. Be glad this exists in the governmental environment we have. GM is hitting it out of the park. Malibu, Volt, Cruze, now this. Spread the word! I even love the Lexus/toyota like interior. This should bring in some Asian Car fans too.

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    They've done a fantastic job modernizing the car without losing its identity.  I like the fact that it is not retro, yet it still honors the first-gen car.  A lot of people were hoping six would borrow from the second gen, and I may have been one of them back then, but not now.  The 2016 Camaro is truly a knockout.  I would probably choose the 2.0t over the 3.6L too, with a six speed manual, if I were in the market.

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    The performance battle with the Mustang should be pretty close.   I think the Ecoboost Mustang will beat the 4 and 6 cylinder Camaros because the Ecoboost has 320 lb-ft and weighs 3500 lbs.  The Camaro SS has more muscle than the Mustang V8 though, should be a little quicker than the Mustang GT.   The pony car war is heating up I think.

    The mustang loses the styling battle it looks like ass in comparison

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    I like it. Improves upon the 5th's looks, while ushering in a new focus on interior refinement. The performance increases are welcome, too. The new 6 has my name all over it, especially since Ford has neutered the Mustang's 6.

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    I guess a limited production Z28 or ZL1 will get the LT4 eventually. 

     

    The exterior is very sleek which I like but the interior does not make much of an improvement over the 5th gen car. It is still a bit to bland and cheap looking.

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    Wish they could've sectioned the body a bit vs the current gen, but otherwise, I like it. I really like the improvements to the interior (though, I'm not a fan of that steering wheel).

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    At first, I was like blah.

     

    Getting a chance to soak it all in, have to say I like it. Changes are simple on the outside. I agree with most, love the new interior....can even live with that night rider screen there....

     

     

    Looking forward to seeing it on the road...

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    They hit the right mix of something old and something new. This is a segment where taking a major risk on a change can really set you back much if the present model is popular.

     

    It is models like this that are for the enthusiast. This is what we love and treasure and would never be appreciated by a fan of a Google car.

     

    be prepared as once you see it in person the perspective is even more changed. This car is lower and appears a little wider in looks. It has a much less upright look to it and gives it a much more aggressive look to it.

     

    I know the media will pick a point or two to dwell on as not being perfect but this car will simply be at the top and for less money out run much more expensive models from Europe in a very convincing way. It will not just be faster lap times but it will have dynamics such as feel and transition that will out perform some of the best.

     

    This will be a car that will make going fast feel slow and that is a mark of a well engineered car.

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    Did they make the side windows even smaller?  Are side view cameras included?  ;)   the sides seem very thick and the chop top look even more pronounced than the 5th gen...

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    The side has to have some thickness to it because of the side standards. Anything less than a 5 start crash rating in this segment as most others is a kiss of death for a model.

    As for the window it is a little smaller but so is the C pillar. You will see out just find and to make any more vision in this area would compromise styling and structure.

     

    The car over all is lower so it will be not as thick and the roof is lower.

     

    You really need to see the car before you pass judgment. It is far from being a Challenger sized car. No Colorado proportions here.

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    I like that the Camaro does not have a huge front end overhang. It's very athletic looking that way. New Mustang still has a sort of big looking overbite in comparison.

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    At this point the only stat that matters to me is the 455HP/455 lb-ft of torque  8speed one. My next daily driver, unless gas goes thru the roof will be a something with more than 400HP. That being said... The Ecotec 2.0L turbo is estimated to do 0-60 in under 6 seconds and still get 30MPG. 3.6L is SAE Certified at 335HP, in a vehicle that is lighter than the last. 

     

    Just estimating on my own.. this 2.0L will be able to bring in numbers similar to the last gens V6 (5.6-5.8 sec to 60). This 3.6L with 23 more HP than my old 2011, which was capable of 0-60 in 5.6.. will be coming in at  under 5 seconds. V8??? Under 4 seconds. Why? Less weight than the luxury platform-mate ATS-V with almost as much power...

     

    Ecotec 2.0L turbocharged SAE-certified 275 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque (400 Nm). Offers torque band with 90 percent of its peak torque available from 2,100 rpm to 3,000 rpm, and max torque from 3,000 to 4,500 rpm.

     

    Special NOTE on the Turbo 4 Camro vs Mustang. The Mustang turbo 4 does have more power. but from what I've heard loses about 25 HP if using Regular gas. bringing it damn near with the same numbers as the 2.0L in Camaro

     

    3.6L V-6  SAE-certified 335 horsepower and 284 lb-ft of torque. DI, AFM

     

    6.2L LT1 V-8 engine, SAE-certified at 455 horsepower and 455 lb-ft of torque

     

    and we Got some Happiness Cool  until LT4 makes its way into a ZL1 or Z28.. which I personally think will MERGE the two in the next Z28 the way the Z06 and ZR1 did.
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    I don't think it will be quite that fast.  The ATS coupe weighs less than the Camaro, even with a 200 lb weight loss, the Camaro would still be in the 3550-3800 range, which is what the Mustang is.

     

    ATS with the 2.0T does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, with the V6 it is 5.6.  I think the Camaro will be close to those numbers in the mid 5's.

     

    The Ecoboost Mustang does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with the auto and gets 32 mpg, I think that will top both the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaro in acceleration and fuel economy.

     

    The Mustang V8 does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, I do think the Camaro V8 can beat that and hit 4.3  seconds.  An ATS-V does 0-60 in 4.2, I think the Camaro SS will be just a tick slower.

     

    Acceleration times will be close, so the question is going to be how the Camaro and Mustang compare in handling, ride, braking, interior features, etc.   The Mustang finally has independent rear suspension, the Camaro has the alpha chassis and magneride.  I wouldn't buy either of these cars, but I am curious to read the comparison tests and see the comparison shootout videos because I do think they are close in a lot of ways.  Even the dimensions and shapes are similar, this might be the closest the 2 have been in 40 years.

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    Saw pics a friend from Indiana posted of it ... he & his wife were there this weekend!

     

    Looks good to me.....

     

     

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    I don't think it will be quite that fast.  The ATS coupe weighs less than the Camaro, even with a 200 lb weight loss, the Camaro would still be in the 3550-3800 range, which is what the Mustang is.

     

    ATS with the 2.0T does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, with the V6 it is 5.6.  I think the Camaro will be close to those numbers in the mid 5's.

     

    The Ecoboost Mustang does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with the auto and gets 32 mpg, I think that will top both the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaro in acceleration and fuel economy.

     

    The Mustang V8 does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, I do think the Camaro V8 can beat that and hit 4.3  seconds.  An ATS-V does 0-60 in 4.2, I think the Camaro SS will be just a tick slower.

     

    Acceleration times will be close, so the question is going to be how the Camaro and Mustang compare in handling, ride, braking, interior features, etc.   The Mustang finally has independent rear suspension, the Camaro has the alpha chassis and magneride.  I wouldn't buy either of these cars, but I am curious to read the comparison tests and see the comparison shootout videos because I do think they are close in a lot of ways.  Even the dimensions and shapes are similar, this might be the closest the 2 have been in 40 years.

     

     

     

    Well we'll see. But we both kno that U aren't the most optimistic person here when it comes to GM. That being said.. the new Camaro, like the '16 ATS will be getting a different engine with several more ponies and the new 8speed which has proven to be a nice performance boost in its own right. Also the Camaro isn't a Ford.. its a Chevy.. and that makes a lot of difference. ATS-V is 3.9secs with proper driving.. the SS will most likely match it due to more torque, and lighter weight (SS is supposed to losing 300lbs) which if using today's Camaro weight of 3860lb.. would bring it in some where between 3500-3600... still lighter than the ATS-V by about 100lbs.

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    I don't think it will be quite that fast.  The ATS coupe weighs less than the Camaro, even with a 200 lb weight loss, the Camaro would still be in the 3550-3800 range, which is what the Mustang is.

     

    ATS with the 2.0T does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, with the V6 it is 5.6.  I think the Camaro will be close to those numbers in the mid 5's.

     

    The Ecoboost Mustang does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with the auto and gets 32 mpg, I think that will top both the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaro in acceleration and fuel economy.

     

    The Mustang V8 does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, I do think the Camaro V8 can beat that and hit 4.3  seconds.  An ATS-V does 0-60 in 4.2, I think the Camaro SS will be just a tick slower.

     

    Acceleration times will be close, so the question is going to be how the Camaro and Mustang compare in handling, ride, braking, interior features, etc.   The Mustang finally has independent rear suspension, the Camaro has the alpha chassis and magneride.  I wouldn't buy either of these cars, but I am curious to read the comparison tests and see the comparison shootout videos because I do think they are close in a lot of ways.  Even the dimensions and shapes are similar, this might be the closest the 2 have been in 40 years.

     

    You can't base anything from these new cars on the 2015 ATS 6-Speed auto.  The two new 8-speeds seem to be some of the best on the market with incredibly fast shifts and a wider range of ratios.  My mpg focused highway run in the ATS-V 8-Speed Auto returned some incredible fuel economy numbers (65mph, fairly flat, driving normally with cruise control).

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    I don't think it will be quite that fast.  The ATS coupe weighs less than the Camaro, even with a 200 lb weight loss, the Camaro would still be in the 3550-3800 range, which is what the Mustang is.

     

    ATS with the 2.0T does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, with the V6 it is 5.6.  I think the Camaro will be close to those numbers in the mid 5's.

     

    The Ecoboost Mustang does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with the auto and gets 32 mpg, I think that will top both the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaro in acceleration and fuel economy.

     

    The Mustang V8 does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, I do think the Camaro V8 can beat that and hit 4.3  seconds.  An ATS-V does 0-60 in 4.2, I think the Camaro SS will be just a tick slower.

     

    Acceleration times will be close, so the question is going to be how the Camaro and Mustang compare in handling, ride, braking, interior features, etc.   The Mustang finally has independent rear suspension, the Camaro has the alpha chassis and magneride.  I wouldn't buy either of these cars, but I am curious to read the comparison tests and see the comparison shootout videos because I do think they are close in a lot of ways.  Even the dimensions and shapes are similar, this might be the closest the 2 have been in 40 years.

     

    You can't base anything from these new cars on the 2015 ATS 6-Speed auto.  The two new 8-speeds seem to be some of the best on the market with incredibly fast shifts and a wider range of ratios.  My mpg focused highway run in the ATS-V 8-Speed Auto returned some incredible fuel economy numbers (65mph, fairly flat, driving normally with cruise control).

     

     

     

    Yup. That's what I was saying. The 8speed yields some pretty decent improvements all around so far. I think we are going to see improved ATS and Camaro speeds with this tranny. The extra HP will help as well. We are talking a 335HP 3400-3500lb vehicle that gain nice HP from a few bolt-ons sure to come and a pocket tune. I won't even get into the potential of the 2.0L Turbo. Some at other sites are trying to act as tho the sky is falling based on the Iron Duke from 32 years ago... That engine put out 88hp.. this is not that engine.. and it has proven itself to be quite nice in performance in various heavier applications

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    I don't think it will be quite that fast.  The ATS coupe weighs less than the Camaro, even with a 200 lb weight loss, the Camaro would still be in the 3550-3800 range, which is what the Mustang is.

     

    ATS with the 2.0T does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, with the V6 it is 5.6.  I think the Camaro will be close to those numbers in the mid 5's.

     

    The Ecoboost Mustang does 0-60 in 5.2 seconds with the auto and gets 32 mpg, I think that will top both the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaro in acceleration and fuel economy.

     

    The Mustang V8 does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, I do think the Camaro V8 can beat that and hit 4.3  seconds.  An ATS-V does 0-60 in 4.2, I think the Camaro SS will be just a tick slower.

     

    Acceleration times will be close, so the question is going to be how the Camaro and Mustang compare in handling, ride, braking, interior features, etc.   The Mustang finally has independent rear suspension, the Camaro has the alpha chassis and magneride.  I wouldn't buy either of these cars, but I am curious to read the comparison tests and see the comparison shootout videos because I do think they are close in a lot of ways.  Even the dimensions and shapes are similar, this might be the closest the 2 have been in 40 years.

     

    You can't base anything from these new cars on the 2015 ATS 6-Speed auto.  The two new 8-speeds seem to be some of the best on the market with incredibly fast shifts and a wider range of ratios.  My mpg focused highway run in the ATS-V 8-Speed Auto returned some incredible fuel economy numbers (65mph, fairly flat, driving normally with cruise control).

     

     

     

    Yup. That's what I was saying. The 8speed yields some pretty decent improvements all around so far. I think we are going to see improved ATS and Camaro speeds with this tranny. The extra HP will help as well. We are talking a 335HP 3400-3500lb vehicle that gain nice HP from a few bolt-ons sure to come and a pocket tune. I won't even get into the potential of the 2.0L Turbo. Some at other sites are trying to act as tho the sky is falling based on the Iron Duke from 32 years ago... That engine put out 88hp.. this is not that engine.. and it has proven itself to be quite nice in performance in various heavier applications

     

     

    It's not just "an 8-Speed", it's these 8-Speeds.  The new 8-Speed Hydromatics seem to have been worth waiting for.  The 8-speed in the CTS V-Sport was competent, but not stellar.   This new 8-speed can shift as fast or faster than the Porsche dual-clutch.

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    • By William Maley
      Most luxury SUVs will never go fully off-road. The closest they’ll ever get is driving down a gravel road. But that doesn’t mean some automakers aren’t filling them with the latest off-road for that one person who decides to. Case in point is the LX 570. Lexus’ variant of the Toyota Land Cruiser has been updated inside and out to try and draw buyers away from the usual suspects in the class.
      For 2016, Lexus has softened the LX’s boxy-shape with some rounded edges and more imposing fenders. The front grille has grown in size to match other Lexus vehicles, though to our eyes it looks more like the head from a Cylon in the 1980’s Battlestar Galactica tv show. The rear features new taillights and a reshaped tailgate. The interior has somehow become more opulent since the last LX we drove. A new dash design features real wood trim and more soft-touch materials. Our tester featured leather upholstery that can be described as red-orange. At first, I thought it was a bit much. But over the week I grew to like the color as it adds some personality. Sitting in either the front or second-row seats of the LX is a pleasant experience. There is plenty of head and legroom for both rows, along with heat. Front seats also get ventilation as standard. The third-row seat is a bit of joke. Getting back there in the first place is quite difficult due to the small gap when you move the second-row forward. Once back there, you find legroom is almost negligible. Finally, the way the third row folds up by side walls and not into the floor hampers cargo space - only offering 41 cubic feet. Lexus’ Remote Touch interface has arrived in the LX this year with a gargantuan 12.3-inch screen sitting on top of the dash. On the plus side, the screen is vibrant and easy to read. The negative is the remote touch controller as you’ll find yourself choosing the wrong function because the controller is very sensitive to inputs. Power comes from 5.7L V8 with 383 horsepower and 403 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic and full-time four-wheel drive system. On paper, the V8 should move the LX 570 with no issue. But a curb weight of 6,000 pounds negates this. Performance can be described as ho-hum as it takes a few ticks longer to get up to speed. At least the eight-speed automatic transmission is a smooth operator and quick to respond when you stab the throttle. The LX 570 is chock full of clever off-road tech such as crawl control, hill start assist, 360-degree camera system, and multi-terrain select system that optimizes various parts of the powertrain and four-wheel drive system. Sadly, we didn’t get the chance to put any of these to the test. No matter the condition of the road, the LX 570 provides a smooth and relaxing ride. Impressive when you consider the LX is riding on a set of 21-inch wheels. Road and wind noise are kept to very acceptable levels. Lexus added a set of adaptive dampers for the 2016 LX and you can adjust the firmness via a knob in the center console - Comfort, Sport, and Sport+. The dampers do help reduce body roll in corners, giving you a little bit more confidence. Steering is what you would expect in an SUV, light and numb. This makes the LX a bit cumbersome to move in certain places such as a parking lot. Compared to the last LX 570 we drove, the 2016 model has gone up in price. Base price now stands at $88,880 and our as-tested price comes in at $96,905. This one feels a bit a more worth of price tag that Lexus is asking for, but I still think a Cadillac Escalade or Range Rover are slightly better in terms of value. If you’re planning a trip to Death Valley or the Rocky Mountains and want something that can you there and back, along with providing all of the luxuries, look no further than the LX. Otherwise, there are a number of other luxury SUVs that make more sense if you’re planning to stay on the pavement. Year: 2016
      Make: Lexus
      Model: LX 570
      Trim: N/A
      Engine: 5.7L 32-Valve, DOHC Dual VVT-i V8
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, Full-Time Four-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 383 @ 5,600
      Torque @ RPM: 403 @ 3,600
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 13/18/15
      Curb Weight: 6,000 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Aichi, Japn
      Base Price: $88,880
      As Tested Price: $96,905 (Includes $940.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Mark Levinson Audio System - $2,150.00
      Dual-Screen DVD Rear-Seat Entertainment System - $2,005.00
      Luxury Package - $1,190.00
      Heads-Up Display - $900.00
      Cargo Mat, Net, Wheel Locks, & Key Glove - $250.00
      All-Weather Floor Mats - $165.00
      Heated Black Shimamoku Steering Wheel - $150.00
      Wireless Charger - $75.00
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