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    Rumorpile: New Document Reveals Possible C8 Powertrains

      Outputs ranging from 600 to 1,000 horsepower

    This week, Hagerty obtained a document from General Motors' executive director in charge of program management, Michelle Braun that says development on future car and truck programs has been paused due to the COVID-19 outbreak. But the document also mentions some intriguing information on upcoming powertrains for the C8 Corvette. Here are the details,

    • Corvette Z06: 5.5L DOHC V8 known as the LT6 that will produce 650 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque. No mention of any type of forced-induction.
    • Corvette Gran Sport: 6.2L OHC V8 with a hybrid system that's expected to produce 600 horsepower and 500 pound-feet of torque.
    • Corvette ZR1: Twin-Turbo 5.5L DOHC V8, dubbed LT7. Output is expected to be 850 horsepower and 800 pound-feet.
    • Corvette Zora: The powerhouse of the C8, it will take the Twin-Turbo LT7 and augment with a hybrid system. This is expected to produce 1,000 horsepower and 975 pound-feet of torque.

    Hagerty's report says the rollout of the new engines will begin in 2022 with the LT6, but the COVID-19 outbreak may push the plans back.

    Source: Hagerty

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    we've heard of the 5.5L for awhile.

    will those power numbers be able to be put to the ground? sure electronics will play a huge part.

    how limited will these numbers be, 100 zoras a year? 1000 zr1s?

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    6 hours ago, loki said:

    we've heard of the 5.5L for awhile.

    will those power numbers be able to be put to the ground? sure electronics will play a huge part.

    how limited will these numbers be, 100 zoras a year? 1000 zr1s?

    They need all wheel drive if they are adding power otherwise it won’t get to the ground.  The Z06 is probably the limit of 2 wheel drive.  They said Zora was 2025 model year, I assume it will be low volume, probably really expensive but why not go that route.  Good money maker to have a low volume high price version.

     

    I have a big question on LT7 reliability.  Yes you can get 850 hp from a 5.5 liter if you rev the hell out of it, but I have to imagine that is going to be Ferrari like reliability and maintenance costs.  I wouldn’t be surprised if every 25-50k miles there was a $10-15,000 service  due.   

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    21 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Be interesting to see which power trains if any get AWD.

    I would bet on the hybrids getting it because electric motors in the wheel hubs = AWD.

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    The GS and Zora will be AWD with 150-200hp AC traction motor(s) in front, Zora, a Hypercar, will be limited production. Z06 LT6 5.5L is a NA flat plane crank V8 similar to the C8.R powerplant. The LT7 5.5L TT in the ZR1 and Zora are said to have regular cross plane cranks as forced induction is not usually a good thing for FPC's. These C8 models will be Beasts. Too bad all have been pushed out at least a year thanks to the current Coronavirus pandemic that originated in China. 

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    On 4/24/2020 at 2:50 PM, smk4565 said:

    I have a big question on LT7 reliability.  Yes you can get 850 hp from a 5.5 liter if you rev the hell out of it, but I have to imagine that is going to be Ferrari like reliability and maintenance costs.

    GM LS and LT V8 engines are known for being some of the most reliable engines in the world, the LT7 DOHC V8 won't change that.

    You don't have to rev the hell out of a lower compression TT engine like a high compression NA to get the power output. Although the LT6 5.5L NA FPC in the Z06 will have a 8k-9k rpm red-line being a FPC derived from the C8.R so she's made to rev. I love Ferrari's and the sound of their smaller bore 6.3L and 6.5L V12 howling scream, but they are not known for being as reliable as the GM LS/LT engines. Although, modern Ferrari's have come a long way along with the Corvette.

    C8 Z cars and Zora rollout.JPG

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    31 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    GM LS and LT V8 engines are known for being some of the most reliable engines in the world, the LT7 DOHC V8 won't change that.

    You don't have to rev the hell out of a lower compression TT engine like a high compression NA to get the power output. Although the LT6 5.5L NA FPC in the Z06 will have a 8k-9k rpm red-line being a FPC derived from the C8.R so she's made to rev. I love Ferrari's and the sound of their smaller bore 6.3L and 6.5L V12 howling scream, but they are not known for being as reliable as the GM LS/LT engines. Although, modern Ferrari's have come a long way along with the Corvette.

    C8 Z cars and Zora rollout.JPG

    GM currently doesn’t make a turbo LS/LT engine, nor do they make a V8 hybrid.  So they are going into new territory.

    Also Ferrari engines need a ton of maintenance, if the LT7 does also, I see no problem with that as long as they disclose it up front.

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    Not currently, but they've done it before- it's not a challenge or 'new territory'.

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    9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    GM currently doesn’t make a turbo LS/LT engine, nor do they make a V8 hybrid.  So they are going into new territory.

    Also Ferrari engines need a ton of maintenance, if the LT7 does also, I see no problem with that as long as they disclose it up front.

    Boosting engines (SC or TT) is definitely not new territory for GM. Recent past LSA and LS9 and current LT4 and LT5 are all modern boosted GM engines, with superchargers, but none-the-less boosted and they've been reliable engines. They've made a V8 Hybrid Tahoe/Yukon/Silverado/Sierra not that long ago ('08-'13) so also not new territory. I've driven a 2013 Tahoe Hybrid 6.0L V8, it was very smooth and quiet with a seamless transition between the two electric motors and the ICE V8, didn't sell well enough as it was too expensive for the time when the standard Tahoe started at $36k Hybrid started at over $50k, battery tech. just wasn't there yet. 

    GM builds their LS/LT V8 engines to require minimal maintenance, including boosted setups. Ferrari's do require a ton of maintenance and they build them to that spec.

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    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Not currently, but they've done it before- it's not a challenge or 'new territory'.

    True but the Blackwing V8, which is closest to the LT6/LT7, makes 131 hp per liter.  Now they are going to 155 hp per liter, so that is extra boost.  Now there are 200 hp/liter engines out there, so I don't think it should be an issue, but I don't think these are going to have LS1 maintenance costs.

    The issue is really getting the power on the ground, they need an all wheel drive system that can handle 825 lb-ft.

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    1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

    Boosting engines (SC or TT) is definitely not new territory for GM. Recent past LSA and LS9 and current LT4 and LT5 are all modern boosted GM engines, with superchargers, but none-the-less boosted and they've been reliable engines. They've made a V8 Hybrid Tahoe/Yukon/Silverado/Sierra not that long ago ('08-'13) so also not new territory. I've driven a 2013 Tahoe Hybrid 6.0L V8, it was very smooth and quiet with a seamless transition between the two electric motors and the ICE V8, didn't sell well enough as it was too expensive for the time when the standard Tahoe started at $36k Hybrid started at over $50k, battery tech. just wasn't there yet. 

    GM builds their LS/LT V8 engines to require minimal maintenance, including boosted setups. Ferrari's do require a ton of maintenance and they build them to that spec.

    This engine won't be like an LS/LT engine, they are building an engine more like the Panamera Turbo Hybrid or the 2021 AMG GT73 hybrid.  Maybe those cars aren't expensive to maintain, but I would guess they don't have NA V8 ownership costs.

     

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    This engine won't be like an LS/LT engine, they are building an engine more like the Panamera Turbo Hybrid or the 2021 AMG GT73 hybrid.  Maybe those cars aren't expensive to maintain, but I would guess they don't have NA V8 ownership costs.

     

    Ownership costs will still not be like Ferrari or AMG maintenance.

    I was waiting to see if you'd catch it. The Blackwing LTA V8 that the LT6/7 are based off of is a Hot V TT V8 like the LT6/7 will be in the C8 for packaging and reduced lag. Not new territory for the General. 

    Either way, these engines are going to be awesome in the C8. Traction won't be an issue with the Z06 as the base C8 has so much grip that guys are having a hard time getting the tires to spin to do burnouts with the 500hp LT2 with all nannies off. That's also why they moved the engine to mid ship...for better grip in the back. The Z cars and Zora will have wider, stickier Michelin PS Cup 2 tires as well.

     

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    That what was said above and the Zora will be a hybrid electric.  Meaning...it will have electric motors boosting that power to 1000HP.  How many electric motors?    3?  Maybe 4?   Well...undoubtedly, like @William Maley  said waaaay above there in the beginning...IT WILL BE AWD...

    On 4/25/2020 at 11:34 AM, William Maley said:

    I would bet on the hybrids getting it because electric motors in the wheel hubs = AWD.

    But its nice to ignore all logical posts by logical people when some of us have a goddam biased agenda around here...

    And it gets tiring...

    PS:  We know NOTHING about the ZR1...  just that it will be a TTV8 possibly the 5.5liter and perhaps it WONT be a flat plane crank.   Perhaps Chevrolet engineers will have a traditional mechanical AWD system for it?

    Maybe like @USA-1 was suggesting what the C8 platform is capable of with its suspension geometry and sticky sticky rubber wont need AWD? 

    The Z06 I believe will have active aero. The other trims, ZR1, ZORA will most likely have it too...   I am not sure about the Grand Sport, though. 

    Suffice it to say, the C8 platform is a monster...

     

     

     

     

     

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    Posted (edited)

    42 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Ownership costs will still not be like Ferrari or AMG maintenance.

    I was waiting to see if you'd catch it. The Blackwing LTA V8 that the LT6/7 are based off of is a Hot V TT V8 like the LT6/7 will be in the C8 for packaging and reduced lag. Not new territory for the General. 

    Either way, these engines are going to be awesome in the C8. Traction won't be an issue with the Z06 as the base C8 has so much grip that guys are having a hard time getting the tires to spin to do burnouts with the 500hp LT2 with all nannies off. That's also why they moved the engine to mid ship...for better grip in the back. The Z cars and Zora will have wider, stickier Michelin PS Cup 2 tires as well.

     

    Chevy is going to build a high revving, flat plane, turbo DOHC V8, which is something out of a Ferrari playbook, and you expect low maintenance?  And maybe it will, but we won't know until they have been on the road 5 years.

    Still need all wheel drive for the ZR1 and Zora, Lamborghinis are all wheel drive for a reason.  Would be good to have all wheel drive on the Z06 also.  And I mean all wheel drive from the V8 not just from the electric motors up front.   Because without AWD, that ZR1 will bet beat in 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs all day long by less powerful Porsches.

    A 911 Carrera 4S does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds and that's with 443 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque.  That's giving up 100 lb-ft to the C8 and it is still quicker and the C8's 2.95 seconds.

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    26 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    PS:  We know NOTHING about the ZR1...  just that it will be a TTV8 possibly the 5.5liter and perhaps it WONT be a flat plane crank.   Perhaps Chevrolet engineers will have a traditional mechanical AWD system for it?

    Maybe like @USA-1 was suggesting what the C8 platform is capable of with its suspension geometry and sticky sticky rubber wont need AWD? 

    The Z06 I believe will have active aero. The other trims, ZR1, ZORA will most likely have it too...   I am not sure about the Grand Sport, though. 

    Suffice it to say, the C8 platform is a monster...

    This big Vette guy has great info. from multiple sources. 

     

     

     

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    Ill look at it later.  Im gonna watch Young Guns II with the family right about now.

    We saw Young Guns last night.

    Yeah. Ive introduced my kids to the Old West during this pandemic...

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    24 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

     something out of a Ferrari playbook

    Still need all wheel drive for the ZR1 and Zora, Lamborghinis are all wheel drive for a reason.  Would be good to have all wheel drive on the Z06 also.

    Zora is AWD with the Hybrid setup! What part are you missing?! ZR1 could still very well end up having the Hybrid/AWD setup when it comes out, nothing set in stone from GM yet, but myself and others on here have faith in Team Corvette engineers.

     

    But not all Ferrari's are AWD so you couldn't say that right? You had to change it to Lambo to try to proof a meaningless point. 

     

     

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    33 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Zora is AWD with the Hybrid setup! What part are you missing?! ZR1 could still very well end up having the Hybrid/AWD setup when it comes out, nothing set in stone from GM yet, but myself and others on here have faith in Team Corvette engineers.

     

    But not all Ferrari's are AWD so you couldn't say that right? You had to change it to Lambo to try to proof a meaningless point. 

     

     

    They should offer AWD on every Corvette.  Lambo and Porsche offer it on every model, AMG is moving to it on every car, the AMG GT is the last of their RWD only cars and it is at the end of the life cycle.  McLaren is going to have all wheel drive, Ferrari has it on some models, etc.  I think AWD would expand that appeal of the Corvette being the everyday, every man's sports car, if you can use it all winter long in the snow belt.

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    54 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Chevy is going to build a high revving, flat plane, turbo DOHC V8, which is something out of a Ferrari playbook, and you expect low maintenance?  And maybe it will, but we won't know until they have been on the road 5 years.

    Still need all wheel drive for the ZR1 and Zora, Lamborghinis are all wheel drive for a reason.  Would be good to have all wheel drive on the Z06 also.  And I mean all wheel drive from the V8 not just from the electric motors up front.   Because without AWD, that ZR1 will bet beat in 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs all day long by less powerful Porsches.

    A 911 Carrera 4S does 0-60 in 2.8 seconds and that's with 443 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque.  That's giving up 100 lb-ft to the C8 and it is still quicker and the C8's 2.95 seconds.

    0-60 and 1/4 mi.? Really? The C8 ZR1 will smoke a Carrera 4S, no competition. Corvette C8 is made as a track car first and foremost and does very well on the track, as designed, even as a current base model. FYI, even the C8 base model is getting under the 3 sec. mark to 60 mph by amateur owners.

    Lets put the C8 up against an actual comparable mid-engine car. The Ferrari 488 GTB 660hp RWD and 488 Pista 710hp RWD. Heck even the 812 Superfast front ME 789hp is RWD. it's called active aero and proper down-force. Notice how heavy the AWD Lamborghini's are compared to Ferrari's and Vettes? All manufactures are trying to keep weight down where possible. Zora at 1000hp definitely needs to be AWD and it will be. 

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Chevy is going to build a high revving, flat plane, turbo DOHC V8, which is something out of a Ferrari playbook, and you expect low maintenance?

    What are ferrari's crankshaft maintenance recommendations?

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    23 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    They should offer AWD on every Corvette.  Lambo and Porsche offer it on every model, AMG is moving to it on every car, the AMG GT is the last of their RWD only cars and it is at the end of the life cycle.  McLaren is going to have all wheel drive, Ferrari has it on some models, etc.  I think AWD would expand that appeal of the Corvette being the everyday, every man's sports car, if you can use it all winter long in the snow belt.

    Even if all C8 Corvettes had AWD would you want to take the chance that some knucklehead might slide into your car in the snow or ice? It's hardly ever my car or my driving that I have to worry about it's the moron who isn't paying attention driving a $500 hoopdy with no insurance and can't drive for sh!t.  

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    15 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    0-60 and 1/4 mi.? Really? The C8 ZR1 will smoke a Carrera 4S, no competition. Corvette C8 is made as a track car first and foremost and does very well on the track, as designed, even as a current base model. FYI, even the C8 base model is getting under the 3 sec. mark to 60 mph by amateur owners.

    Lets put the C8 up against an actual comparable mid-engine car. The Ferrari 488 GTB 660hp RWD and 488 Pista 710hp RWD. Heck even the 812 Superfast front ME 789hp is RWD. it's called active aero and proper down-force. Notice how heavy the AWD Lamborghini's are compared to Ferrari's and Vettes? All manufactures are trying to keep weight down where possible. Zora at 1000hp definitely needs to be AWD and it will be. 

    The 911 Turbo S probably beats all them because it is all wheel drive.

    Even the 2020 Ferrari F8 which replaces the 488 and has 710 hp, has the same 0-60 time as a 443 hp 911.  And look at lap times on tracks, the 911 and Huracan are among the best out there with all wheel drive.

     

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    15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The 911 Turbo S probably beats all them because it is all wheel drive.

    Even the 2020 Ferrari F8 which replaces the 488 and has 710 hp, has the same 0-60 time as a 443 hp 911.  And look at lap times on tracks, the 911 and Huracan are among the best out there with all wheel drive.

     

    I never said AWD doesn't have better traction because obviously it does. I'm saying it adds a lot of weight and it's not always necessary. Lambo's are the porkers of the Italian exotics because of the AWD system. Zora will smoke a 911 TS even the C7 ZR1 is right on it's heels and C8 ZR1 will put the hurt on it. GM's eLSD rear diff. is pretty advanced and with Michelin PS Cup 2 rubber it'll be a good show. 

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    3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    The 911 Turbo S probably beats all them because it is all wheel drive.

     

     

     

     

    OR...

    Lap Times 5

    Track Corvette ZR1 Porsche 911 Turbo S
    NCM Motorsport Park 1:25.93 1:32.07
    Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:39.50 2:46.80
    Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:32.46 1:33.21
    Hockenheim Short 1:06.90 1:07.40
    Willow Springs 1:23.70 1:24.26
       

    https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/epm24ggtlfz0

         
         
         
         
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      If it all comes together, the Ranger Raptor 5.0 is expected to go on sale in Australia next year, sold by Ford dealers and backed by the full 5-year warranty. For now, the Ranger Raptor remains forbidden fruit to the U.S. no matter what engine is under the hood.

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    • Maybe there’s not much of a story there to be ‘interesting’.
    • ^ yeah- its a hilarious proposition. Take a $5K car, pay $175K and make it slower with a fraction of the range. Meanwhile you still (assumedly) have the same vinyl sticker ‘wood’ and shoddy, cheap engineering.  would anyone do this to a Pinto?
    • Rarely, do I get the chance to drive different versions of the same model. The fleet companies I work with scheduling vehicles do their best to serve up a smorgasbord of vehicles for me to experience. But from time to time, things happen where one vehicle in a run has to be swapped because it needs to go home or is required for an important event. It happened to be that the stars aligned in such a way that two Volvo 60 series models would be swapped for various vehicles in this go around. So I found myself with an S60 Momentum one week and a V60 Cross Country another week. A prime opportunity to experience two different takes on the same model. Design: Same and Different Both of the 60 models continue Volvo’s design of simple elegance. The smooth boxy shape is contrasted by the “Thor’s Hammer” lighting element in the headlights and a sloping beltline along the side. Compared to the larger S90, the S60 looks cleaner. This can be attributed to the rear where the license plate has been moved from the bumper to the trunk and a raised lip on the trunk lid. The optional 19-inch wheels fitted on my tester look somewhat out of place as it removes some of the understated look the sedan is trying to present. The V60 Cross Country certainly looks the part of an off-road wagon with a three-inch lift to the suspension, body cladding along the side, different grille color, and new wheel choices. Around back, Volvo takes some ideas from their crossovers with the tailgate being similar in design to XC40 and XC60, and the tall L-shaped headlights. Out of the two, I found myself liking the V60 Cross Country more than the S60. Inside Story The simple elegance philosophy continues inside for both the S60 and V60. The dash features a simplistic design with clean lines and minimal brightwork. Both vehicles feature some surprising interior touches such as wood trim and machined metal pieces. The S60 does falter slightly as some interior pieces are hard plastics with some texturing. This is due to the S60 being the base Momentum trim, higher trims swap this for soft-touch material. Both the S60 and V60 feature front seats that provide an excellent balance of support and comfort. Ten-way power adjustments allow any person to find a setting that fits them. I also like both models coming with the optional power thigh extender to make long drives more bearable. Rear seat space is a mixed bag as there is plenty of legroom in both models, but headroom is constrained in the S60 due to the sloping roofline.  In terms of cargo, the V60 Cross Country is the champ. Open the power liftgate and you’re greeted with 23.2 cubic feet. This can be expanded to 50.9 cubic feet with the rear seats folded. The S60 trunk space is slightly disappointing, only offering 11.6 cubic feet. At least the rear seats can be folded down to increase load capacity. Non-Sensus-ical Infotainment All S60 and V60s come with a nine-inch screen featuring Volvo’s Sensus infotainment system. A large screen oriented like a tablet to control most of the functions fits in line with the company’s minimalist approach. But using this system becomes quite infuriating. To start, Sensus takes over a minute to boot up whenever the vehicle is started. You’ll be able to tell since the system will not respond or respond slowly whenever an input is made during this. Thankfully, the system responds quickly once it fully boots up. This brings us to another problem with Sensus, its confounding menu system. Trying to do something simple such as increase fan speed or turn on/off a safety system means swiping into various screens and menus to find that button or slider. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto is standard and does make Sensus slightly easier to use. But I think some real improvements will come when the next version of Sensus comes out that will be based on Google’s Android platform. I’m also hoping for some more redundant controls such as a fan knob or temperature buttons. When Five equals Four   Both models come equipped with the T5 engine. Before you start thinking that this means a turbocharged five-cylinder, T5 in current Volvos means a turbocharged four-cylinder engine producing 248 horsepower and 258 pound-feet. An eight-speed automatic is the only transmission choice. Opting for the T5 on the S60 means you only get front-wheel drive - you’ll need to step to the twin-charged T6 or PHEV T8 for all-wheel drive. As for the Cross Country, it gets all-wheel drive as standard.  The T5 is a very potent engine as I found in my review of the XC40 last year and that still holds true for both 60 series models. No matter the situation such as needing to pass a slower truck or leave a stoplight, the turbo-four is eager to move the vehicle at an astonishing rate. The eight-speed automatic is smooth and delivers prompt shifts. On the Cross Country, Volvo has an Off-Road mode that turns on a low-speed function, hill descent control, and optimizes the steering to keep the vehicle moving through whatever muck. For most buyers, this mode will never be touched at all. But I found it to be very handy driving through unplowed roads. EPA fuel economy figures stand at 23 City/34 Highway/27 Combined for the S60 and 22/31/25 for the V60 Cross Country. I got an average of 24.7 for the S60 and 23.1 in the Cross Country on a 60/40 mix of highway and city driving. A Smooth Ride Is Here, Provided You Have the Right Wheels   As I mentioned earlier, the S60 I had came with a set of optional 19-inch wheels. This introduces a problem as the ride feels choppy. Over various bumps and imperfections, the S60 wasn’t able to smooth over a fair number of them. I assume going with the standard 18-inch wheels solves this issue somewhat, although some people report the ride is still rough on the smaller wheels. The V60 Cross Country also has a set of 19-inch wheels, but it is noticeably smoother over rough surfaces. Credit must be given to the higher ride height and softer suspension tuning. Wind and road noise are almost non-existent, making both perfect long-distance travelers. Handling is where the S60 redeems itself somewhat. The sedan shows little body and impressive grip when driven through a winding road. I do wish the steering had a little bit more weight, but that may be solved by moving to the R-Design or Polestar models. The Cross Country is a vehicle you want to push due to its softer suspension tuning. Two Good Models, But One Stands Tall The new 60 models are worthy successors to the models before it. An elegant design and mostly roomy interior pair nicely with the strong performance from the T5 engine. Sensus is the biggest stumbling block for both models, but a new version is around the corner which may solve some of the issues. Between the two, I found myself being more impressed with the V60 Cross Country. It has more character in its design compared to the S60 and the ride is much more comfortable. The almost $57,000 price-tag is a bit much, but with some smart optioning, you can make it much more reasonable. As for the S60, I did find it to be quite a decent steer. But the ride does need some work when on the larger wheels. Also, the Momentum can get quite expensive if you go overboard with options. My tester carried a nearly $46,000 price tag, three-grand more than the T5 versions of the R-Design and Inscription which come with some of the optional features as standard. The S60 and V60 Cross Country are excellent alternatives to the usual suspects, just be careful on the options. How I would configure them: There are two different ways I would go configuring an S60. Value: Start with the Momentum T5 at $36,050 and add Heated Front Seats & Steering Wheel ($750) and Premium Package ($2,050) to end up with a nicely equipped S60 at $39,845. You will miss out on some items such as the 360’ camera system, pilot assist, and Harman Kardon audio system, but that pushes the price to over $44,000. Sport: An R-Design T6 fits the bill here and comes with all-wheel drive as standard for a price of $48,045. Decide which metallic paint you would like ($645) or stick with the basic black. Add on the Advanced Package and Heated Rear Seats and Steering Wheel to end up with a final price tag of $51,645 for black or $52,290 for any of the metallic colors. For the V60 Cross Country, it would be similar to my test vehicle with most of the option packages added and adding the Harman Kardon Premium Sound system ($800) to bring the final price to $55,790. Disclaimer: Volvo Provided the S60 and V60; Insurance, and One Tank of Gas Year: 2020 Make: Volvo Model: S60 Trim: T5 Momentum Engine: 2.0L Turbocharged DOHC Inline-Four Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, Front-Wheel Drive Horsepower @ RPM: 250 @ 5,500 Torque @ RPM: 258 @ 1,500 Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 23/34/27 Curb Weight: 3,657 lbs Location of Manufacture: Ridgeville, SC  Base Price: $36,050 As Tested Price: $46,249 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge) Options: Advanced Package - $2,500.00 Premium Package - $2,050.00 Multimedia Package - $1,850.00 19" 5-Spoke Cut Wheels - $800.00 Heated Front Seats & Heated Steering Wheel Package - $750.00 Pebble Grey Metallic - $645.00 Linear Lime Deco Inlay and Interior High Level Illumination - $600.00 Year: 2020 Make: Volvo Model: V60 Trim: Cross Country Engine: 2.0L Turbocharged DOHC Inline-Four Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive Horsepower @ RPM: 250 @ 5,500 Torque @ RPM: 258 @ 1,500 Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 22/31/25 Curb Weight: 4,202 lbs Location of Manufacture: Gothenburg, Sweden Base Price: $45,100 As Tested Price: $56,990 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge) Options: Bowers and Wilkins Premium Sound - $4,000.00 Cross Country Pro Package - $2,800.00 Advanced Package - $2,500.00 Heated Front Seats & Heated Steering Wheel Package - $750.00 Birch Light Metallic - $645.00 Park Assist Pilot - $200.00 View full article
    • Im sorry. This is an alternate fuels and propulsion thread.  Sorry I derailed it with MOPAR propelled German cars.  The thing is, I wouldn't spend a dime restoring 70's and '80s Mercedes cars.   Not worth my time or money.  
    • I question whether many people would be happy dumping major coin into a car as crappily built as a 70s-80s mercedes.
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