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    Genesis G70 is Korea's 3-Series Challenger

      Another entrant in the compact luxury sedan fight


    Genesis' first all-new vehicle has arrived. Today at Genesis’ design center in Namyang, Korea, the G70 sedan was introduced. This model has a tough task ahead of it as the model will enter one of the highly competitive market segments, the compact luxury sedan. On paper, the G70 has a recipe that looks unbeatable.

    There is a fair amount of the New York Concept in the G70's design, which is a good thing. The front is reminiscent of the G80 and G90, but there is a little bit of aggression in the bumper and hood. The side profile is very similar to the current BMW 3-Series, right down to the fender vents. Around back is where we run into some trouble. We like the short rear deck, but someone pointed out that the G70's rear looks almost the same as the recently departed Chrysler 200 - an image we cannot get out of heads.

    Inside, Genesis went with a minimalist approach with little brightwork and no wood trim - similar to what you see in the Jaguar XE. Quilted leather upholstery is available. An eight-inch infotainment system with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto integration is standard, and 15-speaker Lexicon surround-sound system is optional.

    The G70 will offer three engines at launch,

    • 2.0L Turbo-Four: 254 Horsepower, 256 Pound-Feet of Torque
    • 2.2L Turbodiesel-Four: 201 Horsepower, 324 Pound-Feet of Torque (Europe Only)
    • 3.3L Turbo V6: 365 Horsepower, 376 Pound-Feet of Torque

    An eight-speed automatic will be standard on all engines, while a manual transmission with limited-slip differential will be on the options list. There will be the choice of rear-wheel or all-wheel drive.

    We'll learn more details about the G70 for North America early next year, possibly including price.

    Source: Genesis
    Press Release is on Page 2


    GENESIS G70 RESETS EXPECTATIONS OF CUSTOMER-FOCUSED PERFORMANCE AND LUXURY

    September 14, 2017 – A new era dawned today as Genesis officially presented the highly anticipated G70 luxury performance sedan at the Hyundai·Genesis Design Center in Namyang. 

    Dr. Woong-Chul Yang, Vice Chairman of the Hyundai Motor Group’s R&D Division, key Genesis brand officials, and approximately 300 international automotive journalists participated in the activities. The G70 goes on sale in Korea on September 20th, with timing for its rollout in other markets to be announced soon.

     “The Genesis G70 is the latest demonstration of our dedication to delivering innovative, customer-oriented vehicles,” said Vice Chairman Yang. “We will continue to focus our R&D efforts on the development and expansion of the Genesis brand. It is a great point of pride to have Genesis showcase what a true luxury brand of Korean origin can present to our discerning customers.”

    The Genesis G70 is an athletic sedan characterized by its graceful and dynamic exterior styling; elegant and intuitively designed interior; choice of three different powertrains. Customers will be able to select between a turbocharged 3.3-liter gasoline V6, a 2.0-liter turbocharged gasoline I4, and a 2.2-liter I4 diesel models.

    The G70 also incorporates numerous advanced driver assist systems such as Highway Driving Assist (HDA), best-in-class safety with nine standard airbags and active hood function, and a high level of connectivity with server-based voice recognition technology, using Kakao Corp’s artificial intelligence platform.

    Hot stamping methods and extended use of structural adhesives have been employed to enhance torsional rigidity and improve overall body stiffness.

    “G70 Seoul 2017”

    To commemorate this important moment, 15,000 people will celebrate the official unveiling of the G70 at “G70·Seoul 2017,” a global launch festival held on September 15th in Seoul’s Olympic Park.

    “The launch of the Genesis G70 is an important milestone for our brand,” said Manfred Fitzgerald, Head of Genesis Division. “We deliberately chose Seoul, as this is our place of origin. This is where we are coming together with our customers and friends in the music industry to celebrate as a people’s festival.”

    “G70 Seoul 2017” is a brand celebration of Genesis and the new G70, featuring global music superstars Gwen Stefani, Andra Day and CL. While attendance is capped at 15,000, more than 80,000 people expressed interest in being part of the festivities.

    Completing the Genesis sedan lineup

    The G70 completes the Genesis brand’s sedan lineup, along with the G90 flagship and mid-luxury G80. The arrival of G70 further strengthens the Genesis brand’s presence in the global luxury market.

    In November 2015, Genesis launched and set out to compete with the world’s top luxury automakers as a Korean brand. To differentiate itself in the luxury segment, Genesis strives to make a positive impact in the lifestyles of its discerning customers through a progressive and innovative approach to performance and design excellence.

    Genesis launched the flagship G90 sedan in December 2015, followed by the G80 sedan in July 2016 in Korea. Since the brand’s inception, Genesis has sold more than 150,000 units, with strong performances in both Korea and the U.S.

    Genesis has also received many accolades, most recently, ranking highest among premium automakers in the J.D. Power 2017 U.S. Initial Quality Study (IQS), topping all 13 brands in the premium segment.

    The G70 marks the completion of Genesis sedan line-up and the brand will now start strengthening its lineup with SUVs and alternative powertrains. Genesis plans to roll out new products to expand its presence and coverage across the global market and six models are expected in its product portfolio by 2021.

    An Exterior with Genesis’ Unique Design Identity

    The all-new G70 showcases the future direction of the Genesis brand’s design identity.

    Athletic elegance is represented in the exterior styling, as the car captures both beauty and tension, like an athlete poised to perform.

    Luc Donckerwolke, Head of Genesis Design, said, “At Genesis, we shape fascination and desire with the passion, dedication and talent from our designers. We modulated all parameters from the Genesis DNA to tailor a sports sedan. This challenge required the highest skills and know-how. The G70 is designed to captivate all senses with its sensuous and tensioned muscular volumes.”

    The long hood and short front overhang, elegant roofline and assertive multi-spoke alloy wheels combine to form a sleek, dynamic profile, subtly highlighted by dark chrome aero trim.

    The hockey stick daylight opening and parabolic sidelines further express the unique design signatures of Genesis, displaying fast and dramatic energy with voluptuous forms and smooth surfaces.

    From the front and side, the G70’s prominent crest-type grille, character lines extending from the hood emblem, and pronounced air intakes communicate the muscular performance that the car is capable of.

    Two distinctive linear LED DRLs on each side of the large crest grille foreshadow the future Genesis signature quad lamps.

    In the rear, the LED rear combination lamps continue the quad lamp theme, while the raised trunk lid and compact bumper designs give the G70 a poised character. The rear lamps, evolved from the G80, have been stretched to the end of the rear to convey a wide and dynamic stance.

    A Sophisticated, Driver-Focused Interior

    G70’s interior is configured to prioritize an excellent user experience, with superb fit and finish throughout. The interior packaging reflects the thoughtfulness that drives the Genesis brand, with a priority on simplicity and an emphasis on genuine functionality instead of gimmickry.

    A horizontal layout brings a sense of stability and the driver-focused packaging provides a comfortable driving environment, with intuitively laid out switchgear and a comfortable, assertive sport steering wheel.

    Genesis designers employed premium materials throughout, including aluminum door handles, quilted leather door panels, metal speaker grills and high-quality soft touch surfaces. Nappa leather seats further add to the dynamic yet elegant interior.

    The G70 offers a wide range of unique and sophisticated color options that properly reflect global trends to meet client demand.

    Ten exterior colors are available: Platinum Silver, Carbon Metal, Marble White, Titanium Black, Racing Gray, Graceful Gray, Lapis Blue, Royal Blue, Blazing Red and Umber Brown.

    A new paint-finishing method separates small, evenly distributed aluminum particles and high luminosity colors, maximizing the brilliance of the exterior colors.

    The passenger cabin is available in five different colors: Obsidian Black, Sandstorm Gray, Velvet Burgundy, Tobacco Brown and Vanilla Beige. Two additional interior colors, which are Sports Gray and Sports Red will be dedicated to the G70 Sport and the high-end trim level for the 2.0T.

    Driving Character -- Agile Yet Safe, Dynamic Yet Quiet

    The G70 offers three powertrains – a 3.3-liter V6 gasoline turbo, 2.0-liter I4 gasoline turbo and a 2.2-liter I4 diesel. The 3.3-liter V6 turbo is the backbone of the enthusiast-focused “G70 Sport.”

    The G70 Sport is equipped with the Lambda II 3.3-liter V6 turbo GDI engine, with 370 PS and maximum torque of 52.0kgf·m.

    G70 Sport is a dynamic and powerful performer with 0 to 100 kph (62.5 mph) acceleration in 4.7 seconds and a top speed of 270 kph (167/168 mph). Variable-ratio steering and electronically controlled suspension are standard to provide agile steering response and an optimal ride-and-handling experience.

    The G70 2.0 turbo gasoline model is equipped with the Theta-II 2.0-liter turbo GDI engine, with 252 PS and maximum torque of 36.0kgf·m. (Sports package: 255 PS)

    The G70 2.2 diesel model is equipped with the R 2.2 VGT engine with 202 PS horsepower and maximum torque of 45.0kgf·m.

    Dynamic performance features include:

    1. Launch Control - Maximizes power control in acceleration mode
    2. Rack-mounted, motor-driven power steering (R-MDPS) and multi-link rear suspension - Provides precise handling and comfortable ride
    3. Dynamic torque vectoring system - Improves vehicle cornering control
    4. Mechanical limited slip differential (M-LSD) - Allows safe driving capabilities in low friction road conditions such as rain, snow and ice 

    The seat positions have been adjusted to lower the center of gravity of the car to maximize performance. To augment the driving experience, the Active Sound Design (ASD) system creates an aural character that reflects the engine load and driving mode settings.

    Noise, vibration and harshness have been minimized in the G70 through enhancements in multiple areas including vehicle body structure; exhaust system; sound absorption and isolation; suspension and body frame connection; and the design of the side mirrors and door sealing systems.

    The performance-focused sedan has been tested under the most challenging environments and surfaces in the world, including Death Valley (U.S.), northern Sweden, the Nürburgring (Germany) and the Alps (Austria) for driving stability, handling, durability and power delivery.

    Best-in-Class Safety

    Following the trend of the G90 and G80, the G70 offers the most comprehensive levels of safety in its class. Overall body stiffness and rigidity have been dramatically strengthened.

    The G70 has also been designed to help protect pedestrians – when imminent impact with a pedestrian is detected, its active hood function operates by lifting the hood to absorb shock and minimize the risk of injury.

    An unparalleled suite of advanced driver assist systems such as Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA), Highway Driving Assist (HDA), Blind spot Collision Warning (BCW) and Driver Awareness Warning (DAW) have been added as part of the ‘Genesis Active Safety Control’ to offer the highest level of safety and convenience in its class.

    The FCA system provides added safety with newly developed technology designed not only to protect vehicles and pedestrians, but also cyclists on the road. It automatically activates emergency braking through integrated radar-camera sensors when detecting bicycles.

    ‘Genesis Active Safety Control’ is the brand’s newly labeled advanced driver assist system package previously known as ‘Genesis Smart Sense.’

    Genesis aims to receive the highest ratings from both international and domestic organizations including the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and Korea New Car Assessment Program (KNCAP).

    Exceptional Comfort and Convenience

    The G70 incorporates a diverse range of advanced technologies that deliver ultimate convenience and connectivity.

    An example includes the smart posture control system, initially introduced in the G90. When the driver’s body information is input, the system automatically adjusts the seat, steering wheel, outside mirror and heads-up display to the optimal position, ensuring minimal stress even on long journeys.

    The G70 provides a diverse range of advanced convenience and connectivity, including an 8-inch touch screen display supporting MirrorLink, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.

    The G70 will also be the first vehicle in Korea to feature server-based voice recognition technology, using Kakao’s artificial intelligence platform ‘Kakao I.’

    For the best audio performance, a 15-speaker Lexicon surround-sound system is available to provide an audiophile-level acoustic experience.

    Overseas product specifications in markets including North America, Russia and the Middle East are planned to be announced in early 2018.

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    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

     I'm just saying why there's a possibility that a reflector may have two different screws because it was an auto show car, not at a dealership. 

    That would be true if it was a concept auto being shown but you know as well as I that the majority of the auto's are production auto's off the local dealership lots for the show.

    As such, the auto should be tight, and not able to have the screws come loose or lost between the dealership lot, the auto show and people getting in and out of them. 

    If the mismatched screw is from the dealership, then that speaks volumes about the dealership and one I would want to avoid.

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    6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I'm not discrediting YOU at all, at least I'm not trying to. I'm just saying why there's a possibility that a reflector may have two different screws because it was an auto show car, not at a dealership. 

    I don't recall which show those pictures came from.  If it was Chicago or LA, the car was probably provided by the largest local dealer.  If it was Detroit or NYC, it was probably provided by Benz.   In either event, the cars go through pre-show prep before they go on the floor.  Only the brand new releases for the show are always provided by the manufacturers.

     But who knows? Maybe they put a 1997 G-Wagon on the floor and there was no way I could tell because I didn't have a VIN decoder handy. 

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    So if we're talking about their abilities then we can talk about the off road abilities of the G then, right? For daily driving as most adults have their own places to live a G is a more practical vehicle than a Camaro or Mustang as their lone vehicle. You likely will not be able to fit any form of furniture(be it just some shelving or a small bookcase) in a Mustang or Camaro, they're obviously only RWD so you'd better be buying a second set of tires to have put in and off every year(I wouldn't care as that would be a good time to check out some stuff on the car pre and post winter snows). 

    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    But who knows? Maybe they put a 1997 G-Wagon on the floor and there was no way I could tell because I didn't have a VIN decoder handy. 

    LOL Touche'... But you could have still looked at the door placard with the build date on it! 

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    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    That would be true if it was a concept auto being shown but you know as well as I that the majority of the auto's are production auto's off the local dealership lots for the show.

    As such, the auto should be tight, and not able to have the screws come loose or lost between the dealership lot, the auto show and people getting in and out of them. 

    If the mismatched screw is from the dealership, then that speaks volumes about the dealership and one I would want to avoid.

    This is true.  The cars are prepped before they go on the floor and I am on the floor on the first day the show is open.  General peasent public days, yes, the cars get messed up... and there is usually at least one mishap during press days (I got pics of the previous generation Lincoln MKZ catching on fire on the floor). 

    But that's just not the case for the G-Wagon.  It wasn't new, people weren't crawling over it. It is mostly ignored. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    So if we're talking about their abilities then we can talk about the off road abilities of the G then, right? For daily driving as most adults have their own places to live a G is a more practical vehicle than a Camaro or Mustang as their lone vehicle. You likely will not be able to fit any form of furniture(be it just some shelving or a small bookcase) in a Mustang or Camaro, they're obviously only RWD so you'd better be buying a second set of tires to have put in and off every year(I wouldn't care as that would be a good time to check out some stuff on the car pre and post winter snows). 

    LOL Touche'... But you could have still looked at the door placard with the build date on it! 

    $100k (G-wagon minus the cost of a nice Mustang) buys a LOT of furniture delivery.  Heck, $40k (G-wagon minus an Escalade ESV Platinum) buys a decent F-150 to haul your furniture home in, and then you're getting TWO vehicles that have nicer interiors and more up to date powertrains. 

    And I have a second set of tires for my CR-V and Encore also, and they're AWD. 

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    @Drew Dowdell

    So is the GV80 supposed to be the size of the XT5 from Cadillac?

    That would then put the GV70 as an XT3 competitor and Driving web site is saying Genesis is now also wanting to do a luxury compact so GV60 or GV50?

    http://driving.ca/genesis/auto-news/news/hyundais-genesis-division-wants-to-build-a-compact-cuv

    Genesis-GV80-Concept.jpg

    Genesis-GV80-Concept-SUV.jpg

    Have to say I like the looks of this, very modern for the 21st Century so I hope they stay true to this concept. I really like it in Silver more than the white pearl color they showed off at the auto show.

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    Not sure why @ccap41 you keep arguing.   Today G-wagen is the status symbol, period.  Nobody who buys it will be moving furniture or taking it off road.  

    Every G-wagen owner I saw was either an assh@le with too much money or a trophy wife with and assh@le husband that has too much money,

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    The GV80 comparison to the XT5 is only approximate.  It looks as big on the outside as the XT5, but with packaging like that, it'd have to be smaller inside.  The XT5 has a very short pug snout while the GV80 is long.

    And yes on the smaller luxury crossovers, the whole industry is chasing that space right now and it's relatively new segment, so Genesis would be wise to get in at the start. 

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    19 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    And I have a second set of tires for my CR-V and Encore also, and they're AWD. 

    I wish I was either further south or further north because we get just enough snow to necessitate at least an all season tire(or no season) because it gets plenty cold for months at a time but not really enough snow to justify a good winter set. 

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    Saw a lot of G-wagens around Phoenix and Scottsdale...around town luxury cars, always clean and polished..probably never went off road.  Always seemed to be black or silver.   Much the same with all the other luxury SUVs...

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    7 minutes ago, ykX said:

    Not sure why @ccap41 you keep arguing.   Today G-wagen is the status symbol, period.  Nobody who buys it will be moving furniture or taking it off road.  

    Every G-wagen owner I saw was either an assh@le with too much money or a trophy wife with and assh@le husband that has too much money,

    We've moved furniture in one. We will do quite a bit of that with new home ownership. 

    And every mustang plows crowds, right? 

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Camaro and Mustang actually ride really nice. I like either of them for a long distance drive.  Wrangler takes its top off, which I'm told can be fun.  The Raptor has at least the abilities that any other truck offers. In any case, for G-Wagon money, I can buy a Camaro, Mustang, Wrangler, and Raptor and still have money left over to fuel all of them for a few years

    I’m sorry but did he just compare the ride of two cars, that have been complimented for their rides, to a 4 decade old box on wheels? Seriously? Is he just arguing to argue? I fail to see a real point here otherwise.

    29 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Saw a lot of G-wagens around Phoenix and Scottsdale...around town luxury cars, always clean and polished..probably never went off road.  Always seemed to be black or silver.   Much the same with all the other luxury SUVs...

    EXACTLY!! Not one of those drivers around here take those off road, not one! Now, I know there will be the “well most SUV drivers don’t go off road”. Well, they are idiots for it since that is one of its primary functions. Don’t opt for a Wrangler when an Edge will do. The G Wagon is a massive rip off made for elitist suckers, end of damn discussion.

    18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    U-haul will rent you a truck for like $40 a day.  Just the fewer amount of trips you'd need to make would be worth it in gas and time savings.

    Hell, I’ve moved furniture in my dinky ass RAV4 and didn’t have to pay $140K for it.

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    33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    And every mustang plows crowds, right? 

    Based on YouTube Videos of idiot drivers with lead foot, yes they seem to plow the gawkers on the side of the road well. :P 

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    22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    U-haul will rent you a truck for like $40 a day.  Just the fewer amount of trips you'd need to make would be worth it in gas and time savings.

    Totally agree, Here you can rent a 10 foot truck for $19.95 a day, unlimited miles. Pretty good deal, did this for moving my son. Faster and cheaper than using a G-Wagon or my Escalade.

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    17 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

    https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

    Interesting read, so another company copies the American route of mid size auto between a lower and higher level one. So this is to compete against the ATS, BMW 3 series, etc. longer and wider but less room inside. Weird.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The one on the auto show floor wouldn't be any different mechanically than one at the dealership though... it's not like some visitor snuck in and changed out the screws in the door.   Besides, I go on press days before you riff-raff are allowed in.  :P  (That's obviously a joke, because as @William Maley can tell you, auto journalists can be some of the most obnoxious people you ever meet)

     

    Yes, we are an insufferable group. :P

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    33 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Some initial reviews are being published..Interesting note about the softer tuning for the Korean market.

    https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/genesis/33-turbo-sport-4dr/first-drive

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    The rear end squats less, the steering is reassuring and positive, and it’s palpably faster than the AWD car. Seriously, it’s more fun than an Audi S4 or Mercedes C43 and would ask very difficult questions of a Jaguar XE S.

     

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    Everybody just loses their car enthusiast touch when they come into contact with a vehicle brand why don't like?  We all love the irresponsible vehicles, this is another one. Nobody dreams of 100-200k sports cars? So what this is overpriced. So is a Mclaren and Ferrari. Any luxury branded car ever created is overpriced when you could build some mustang or camaro for cheaper and daily drive a Camry for practicality. 

    Yeah for 5k I could go buy a CRV and it would "get the job done". I'd also never consider a 2 door sports car because those are too impractical. C'mon guys. All the brand biases aside, it's a cool vehicle that's as old school as they come these days that, if the owner would ever choose to, can do some serious off-roading. 

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Like you say every single time with your personal Cadillac experience, get out and drive one and be in one regularly and them come talk to me. ;)  Anybody can find bad pictures on the internet about almost any vehicle. Shall we find quality control issues on Cadillacs? 

     

    The pics were from Drew.. but they are for real nonetheless. Also.. who the hell has not driven a Gwagon? They aren't exactly exclusive in my realm. In fact.. when my brother bought his Hummer H2 he also looked at the GWagon.. him and I drove it around for an entire day.. trying to figure out why anyone would buy that shit. 

    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    At least MB knows how to convince people to buy $h!. Cadillac should take note. 

    So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.:lol:

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    11 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    The pics were from Drew.. but they are for real nonetheless. Also.. who the hell has not driven a Gwagon? They aren't exactly exclusive in my realm. In fact.. when my brother bought his Hummer H2 he also looked at the GWagon.. him and I drove it around for an entire day.. trying to figure out why anyone would buy that $h!. 

    Speaking of sh!t... H2? They have one of those that her parents drive daily.. biggest POS. I never would have expected it to be a GM product because it's constantly having problems either dying or not starting. It almost seems German under the hood. 

    13 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.:lol:

    Nah, jsut saying that if they build such bags of sh!t that at least they know how to sell bags of sh!t. Cadillac should be writing down some notes on "how to sell vehicles". 

    She bought it before I knew her. She had an ML before. Shes definitely a brand snob though.. Who would have thought a G Wagen owner was a brand snob? lol 

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    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Uhhh yeah... what redeeming qualities does a Camaro or Wrangler offer a daily driver over any sedan or CUV? They ride like 3$h and have little to no storage in comparison. 

    Was this even serious?  I lived with my 2011 Camaro DD for 3.5 years and not once was I ever let down in terms of ride or storage. The current model has an exemplary ride.. is comfy.. and has enough storage for any daily driver. WTF are U trying to move around.. a grand father clock??? Ridiculous.. U bitch about irrelevant shit. The real question is WHY THE FUCK... does this imaginary GF of yours drive a Gwagon instead of something more practical with U around being a Dweeb about everything?

    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    I’m sorry but did he just compare the ride of two cars, that have been complimented for their rides, to a 4 decade old box on wheels? Seriously? Is he just arguing to argue? I fail to see a real point here otherwise.

    That's exactly what he does

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    4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Speaking of sh!t... H2? They have one of those that her parents drive daily.. biggest POS. I never would have expected it to be a GM product because it's constantly having problems either dying or not starting. It almost seems German under the hood. 

    Nah, jsut saying that if they build such bags of sh!t that at least they know how to sell bags of sh!t. Cadillac should be writing down some notes on "how to sell vehicles". 

    She bought it before I knew her. She had an ML before. Shes definitely a brand snob though.. Who would have thought a G Wagen owner was a brand snob? lol 

    Yet every H2 owner I kno has zero issues with their vehicles... Why??? Because like the GMT800 it's based on it is a relatively straight forward design that U will still see in droves on the road even 19 years after its intro.. millions. U ARE FULL OF SHIT

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    Who would have thought YOU would daily a Camaro and it was somehow a great daily driver? The trunk opening is like 13 inches or some sh!t on those. You either paid for people to ship everything to your house or you're lying because those are not great daily drivers. You can make it happen but they are far from ideal. 

    Because it's her vehicle, not mine. Unlike you, I don't force my significant other to buy products I like. But I have told her she should get something more practical because there's definitely more practical vehicles out there. 

    1 minute ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Yet every H2 owner I kno has zero issues with their vehicles... Why??? Because like the GMT800 it's based on it is a relatively straight forward design that U will still see in droves on the road even 19 years after its intro.. millions. U ARE FULL OF $h!

    They've had two transmissions replaced(or rebuilt - I don't know, I didn't pay or schedule anything), air suspension replaced, two alternators, and at least one window motor failing. 

    I agree with you, and that's why I said it seems German under the hood. I've known plenty of chevy truck owners with identical setups that ran just fine. The Hummer H2 though, has been nothing but a bag of sh!t. 

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    32 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    So U are applauding the fact that they duped your girl friend into buying one huh? Great BF U are... In fact.. I find it hard to believe that U have a GF.:lol:

     

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    4 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    So instantly U forgive them for selling people $h!... for minimum the last 20 years. And that's me giving them the benefit of the doubt that a platform that was engineered during the Carter Admin was good up to the Bush I admin

    G-wagen is a good vehicle.  Probably the most capable off road SUV on sale right now, for sure it is on the 4x4 squared model.  I think it is one of two 12 cylinder SUVs for sale also if you want that.  The G-wagen had its best sales year ever in 2016 and is up in 2017, so they are building what the people want.  

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    4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    G-wagen is a good vehicle.  Probably the most capable off road SUV on sale right now, for sure it is on the 4x4 squared model.  I think it is one of two 12 cylinder SUVs for sale also if you want that.  The G-wagen had its best sales year ever in 2016 and is up in 2017, so they are building what the people want.  

    Take a Land Rover over the G-Wagon any day.

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    2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Ruh-Roh @smk4565

     

    Hopefully it is a good car, and a fun to drive car.  It doesn't have the interior as good as the Germans though, you can already tell from the photos it is closer to a Mazda 6 interior than a C-class or A4.  As if they know they have to sell at a discount so they will cut corners somewhere.  If they price this car aggressively I think it could do well, if that turbo V6 is $40k and it comes down to a G70 or a 4 cylinder ATS, C-class or A4, that is a compelling argument for Genesis.  

    And since it is G-wagen day, I'll say that the GLE is no doubt better daily driver and probably has more cargo room too.  But you aren't a baller in Beverly Hills without that G-wagen.

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    Ill take the one that won the war...

    To boot...BECAUSE its an offroader...and luxury and off the beaten path are opposites of the class spectrum and therefore a LUXURY OFFROAD SUV is A BLOODY OXΥΜΟRON...

    Ill start with this

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    Or this

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    And spend tons of money making it  do this

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    and making it look like this

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    And have money left over to buy several of these

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    And these

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    Laughing at all the idiots that buy LUΧURY OFF ROAD SUVs

    Land Rovers, Escalades and G Wagons alike...

    Sue me!

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    ^^^

    Yup...

    And @smk4565 I guess you missed the snorkel...

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    Besides...the Russians in this case do it better!

     

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    Those is what I call REAL off road SUVs...in the TRUEST sense of the acronym that was started by that humble little General Purpose Vehicle that we now know today as JEEP

    With all said and done...at the end of the day....Id still rather the JEEP though...

    Something about 'Merica Phoque YEAH! that I prefer over Commie Ruskies!

     

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    But what if you want to drive your car through a lazy river?

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    Lazy rivers...HA!  YOU actually posted a rugged tough SUV that is supposed to be military tough in a LAZY river...

    You just filled up the whole card with that one pic as you were trying to pass that off as a dangerous and tough SUV thing...

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    Therefore

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    6 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Who would have thought YOU would daily a Camaro and it was somehow a great daily driver? The trunk opening is like 13 inches or some sh!t on those. You either paid for people to ship everything to your house or you're lying because those are not great daily drivers. You can make it happen but they are far from ideal. 

    Because it's her vehicle, not mine. Unlike you, I don't force my significant other to buy products I like. But I have told her she should get something more practical because there's definitely more practical vehicles out there. 

    They've had two transmissions replaced(or rebuilt - I don't know, I didn't pay or schedule anything), air suspension replaced, two alternators, and at least one window motor failing. 

    I agree with you, and that's why I said it seems German under the hood. I've known plenty of chevy truck owners with identical setups that ran just fine. The Hummer H2 though, has been nothing but a bag of sh!t. 

    to the bolded part. So one lemon.. and it happens is indicative of a while truck line that has sold millions upon millions when the platform was alive? Ridiculous

    But then... their hummer at minimum is 8 years old. H2 stopped production in '09. If they've replaced their alternator TWICE.. the second part was faulty too.. and very seldom have I ever heard of anyone taking their vehicle to a dealership for a tranny rebuild.. so the tranny rebuild must have been bad. Missing how that is an H2 issue

    As far as me having the Camaro as a DD.. yeah.. it was my daily driver from August 2010 to July 31 2013 when I got my Impala DD. I don't kno if U kno but I had a Tahoe at the time before I got my Yukon.. If I needed to move anything larger I brought that. 

    AND WHO THE FUCK GIVES A SHIT ABOUT MOVING BIG SHIT ON A DAILY BASIS AND THEN BUYS A CAR IN THE FIRST PLACE? Camaro, Mustang, Camry, or even an Impala? 

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    15 hours ago, balthazar said:

    RWD sedans are also dying out, both in volume and in deference to AWD.

    Sad but true...

    14 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

     

    Ill take the one that won the war...

     

    The US has a couple hundred G Wagens in their military. :thumbsup:

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

     

    The US has a couple hundred G Wagens in their military. :thumbsup:

     

    @Drew Dowdell  Sorry because I will derail it again...but I gotta post this. I just gotta.  :D

     

    The reason for the G Wagon is to appease NATO régulations...

    For decades the US shoved this shyte airplane down Germany's throat

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    Its payback time for Germany to force the US Military to buy the G Wagen...all in the name of NATO...and revenge...:P

    OK...back to the boring discussions of a Hyundai luxury car.

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