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    Review: 2018 Lexus LC 500

      Son of a SC

    "We had no intention of turning it into a production car. But your positive reaction, as well as the reaction of our customers, changed our minds. We listened, and we made it real.”

    That was Toyota President Akio Toyoda speaking at the Lexus LC 500 debut at the 2016 Detroit Auto Show. Four years before, Lexus unveiled the LF-LC concept to the world. It was striking to say in the least with a design that empathized curves and deep cuts. There was no chance that this sleek concept would make it into production. It was too daring for a brand that liked to play it safe. But the LF-LC did make it into production and retained most of the design. But what is the rest of the car like?

    When an automaker takes a car from concept to production, something is usually lost in the translation due to regulations or costs. But Lexus was somehow able to carry over the design of the LF-LC concept to the LC 500. The front end is set very low and features the brand’s spindle grille and aggressive cuts in the bumper for the LED fog lights. Channels along the hood flow gently into either side of the grille. For the side, the door handles are flush with the doors and will pop out to allow entry into the vehicle. The rear fenders are quite wide to make room for larger tires and brake vents. The back stands out with narrow taillights that extend into the fenders and chrome exhaust surrounds. Wearing a dark grey finish, the LC 500 looks very sinister.

    The interior is a treat for the eyes. It’s a minimalist design with few buttons and knobs on the dash and door panels. There are some special design touches such as handles that float on the door panels and a grab handle that extends from the center stack to the console for the front seat passenger. Material quality is very impressive with leather, Alcantara, carbon fiber, and metal used throughout. My tester came with a set of sport seats with eight-way power seats. The seats feature increased bolstering to hold driver and passenger during a bout of exuberant driving. However, some people will not be able to fully fit into the seats because of the added bolstering. I would like to see Lexus offer some sort of adjustable bolstering down the road. The back seat is best used for storage. There is barely enough head and legroom for a small kid.

    A 10.3-inch screen sitting in the center stack features the latest version of Lexus Enform. The system features an updated interface with revised graphics and new color palate that makes it very easy to read at a glance. Controlling this is Lexus’ Remote Touchpad controller. Compared to other vehicles with the Touchpad, the LC brings a couple of key improvements. There are a set of shortcut buttons to common functions such as the radio and navigation. Lexus has also implemented a pause over each icon to prevent you from selecting another one because your finger slipped. Despite the improvements, Remote Touchpad is still very distracting to use when driving. You need to give your full attention to the system and not the road to make sure you’re turning on the heated seat for example. At least the LC 500 collision mitigation system with automatic braking to give you a bit of a safety net when using this system.

    Pop up the hood to find the heart of the LC 500; a 5.0L naturally-aspirated V8 producing 471 horsepower and 398 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission and rear-wheel drive. The powertrain has a Dr.Jekyll/Mr.Hyde personality. Driven normally, the 5.0L V8 emits a low growl and delivers power in a smooth fashion. Gear changes from the 10-speed are unobtrusive. Drive it with some aggression and the LC becomes an animal. The V8 emits a roar similar to a muscle car and will throw you back into the seat as power comes on rapidly. The 10-speed automatic delivers fast shifts to keep the engine in its sweet spot of power. I found myself having a stupid grin on my face every time I would floor the accelerator just to hear the lovely sounds of the V8. 

    EPA fuel economy figures for the 2018 Lexus LC 500 are 16 City/26 Highway/19 Combined. My average for the week landed around 18.6 mpg.

    The LC 500 is quite surprising on a winding road. Despite the large size and weight, the LC seems to glide from bend to bend with little body roll. Some of this can be attributed to the rear-wheel steering system that is part of an optional performance package that makes the coupe feel smaller. This package also adds the variable gear-ratio steering system which adjusts the number of turns to reach steering lock helps the LC feel nimble. The only downside is the steering lacking the feedback some driving enthusiasts want.

    On a cruise, the LC 500 settles down and provides a somewhat relaxing ride. A small number of bumps make their way inside due to the 21-inch forged aluminum wheels. The smaller 20-inch wheels do improve ride quality somewhat. Road and wind noise are kept to minimum levels.

    Possibly the big surprise is how much the LC 500 will set you back. The base is $92,000 and our test vehicle came with an as-tested price of $101,715 with destination. Considering how much performance and luxuries you get for the price, the LC 500 is quite the steal.

    Lexus took quite the gamble with the LC 500 and their efforts paid off. The sharp exterior styling hides a very impressive chassis that somehow balances sporty handling and comfort. Plus, the V8 engine provides one of the most impressive sounds. Lexus Enform and Remote Touch spoil the LC somewhat as it is distracting to use.

    In a way, the LC is a modern incarnation of the SC coupe from the 90s. Both were a departure for Lexus as they offered a sleek design, smooth and powerful engines, and a balance between comfort and support. The two coupes also gave Lexus something it was lacking, a soul.

    Disclaimer: Lexus Provided the LC 500, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas

    Year: 2018
    Make: Lexus
    Model: LC
    Trim: 500
    Engine: 5.0L DOHC 32-Valve, Dual VVT-i V8
    Driveline: Ten-Speed Automatic, Rear-Wheel Drive
    Horsepower @ RPM: 471 @ 7,100
    Torque @ RPM:  398 @ 4,800
    Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 16/26/19
    Curb Weight: 4,280 lbs
    Location of Manufacture: Motomachi, Yokohama, Japan
    Base Price: $92,000
    As Tested Price: $101,715 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)

    Options:
    Performance Package with Carbon - $5,960.00
    Mark Levinson Reference Surround Sound System - $1,220.00
    Color Heads-Up Display - $900.00
    Torsen Limited-Slip Rear Differential - $390.00
    All-Weather Trim Package - $250.00



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    I have to disagree here that this car is about $20,000 over priced in comparison to other like auto's on the market and grossly under powered with even less Torque.

    Cadillac is a superior auto with better value all the way around.

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    ATS just shows how much better value it is compared to this auto. 464 HP & 445 lb-ft torque. This will beat that over priced ugly lexus.

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    This is not in the same league as an ATS. 

    If you're going to drill down the "value" aspect the ATS-V Coupe is an absolute waste when they have a Camaro SS under the same roof for 40k, 50k fully loaded and ready to race. 

    The Lexus is a grand tourer, not a race car. I think you're missing that part. It's similar to an SL Mercedes. 

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    Not sure why you would be trying to compare this to the ATS, the Lexus ATS competitors are the IS (sedan)  and RC (coupe).  Different niches, different price points.  This is their competitor to the BMW 8 series and M-B S-class coupe. 

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    2 hours ago, frogger said:

    Nice, the question is whether to go tan or not..

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    Too tan for my taste. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Too tan for my taste. 

    That was like the one I saw at the Cleveland auto show, IIRC...bright red w/ tan interior.   That black w/ dark red two tone interior is nice also.  

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    This interior probably looks incredible in person. I think I'd want it on a white or silver car.

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    I understand price points and class segments for sale, but I still think the CTS-V and ATS-V are better than this car from interior to exterior and performance. So no value in this auto for what they charge. But then Lexus has not built anything yet that has impressed me.

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    Comparing this car to a Cadillac is downright comical. Cadillac wishes they could make a car anywhere near this in terms of overall design, materials, fit and finish, craftsmanship, and presence. 

     

    I've seen these in several colors now, and they are absolutely stunning. Literally EVERY time I see one in a parking lot, bystanders are gawking at it. And not people driving Avengers or Kias mind you, people driving BMW's and the like. The car is a knockout. The lines are just delicious. It is by far the best looking car on the road for anything costing less than about a quarter mil. 

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    Just now, Frisky Dingo said:

    Comparing this car to a Cadillac is downright comical. Cadillac wishes they could make a car anywhere near this in terms of overall design, materials, fit and finish, craftsmanship, and presence. 

     

    I've seen these in several colors now, and they are absolutely stunning. Literally EVERY time I see one in a parking lot, bystanders are gawking at it. And not people driving Avengers or Kias mind you, people driving BMW's and the like. The car is a knockout. The lines are just delicious. It is by far the best looking car on the road for anything costing less than about a quarter mil. 

    Totally disagree with you. Tight, too small on the inside and fit n finish is on par with Cadillac, MB, BMW. They must be different where you live as they have not been that striking here in Seattle. Just another Predator faced auto from Toyota. Seats are hard and lacking to me for comfort. Layout of the dash is also a bit strange. Lexus lovers love Lexus but I really wonder and will be interested to see how many they sell as I think Lexus should have invested this in improving the autos they already had first.

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    13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    I understand price points and class segments for sale, but I still think the CTS-V and ATS-V are better than this car from interior to exterior and performance. So no value in this auto for what they charge. But then Lexus has not built anything yet that has impressed me.

    Does Cadillac offer a hybrid powertrain in either of those cars? I would have thought you would have went bonkers over that aspect. 

    17 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Comparing this car to a Cadillac is downright comical. Cadillac wishes they could make a car anywhere near this in terms of overall design, materials, fit and finish, craftsmanship, and presence. 

     

    I've seen these in several colors now, and they are absolutely stunning. Literally EVERY time I see one in a parking lot, bystanders are gawking at it. And not people driving Avengers or Kias mind you, people driving BMW's and the like. The car is a knockout. The lines are just delicious. It is by far the best looking car on the road for anything costing less than about a quarter mil. 

    It truly is an elegant vehicle. The lines and curves they did to this are a thing of beauty in a world of very similarly shaped vehicles. 

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    13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Totally disagree with you. Tight, too small on the inside and fit n finish is on par with Cadillac, MB, BMW. They must be different where you live as they have not been that striking here in Seattle. Just another Predator faced auto from Toyota. Seats are hard and lacking to me for comfort. Layout of the dash is also a bit strange. Lexus lovers love Lexus but I really wonder and will be interested to see how many they sell as I think Lexus should have invested this in improving the autos they already had first.

    You are flat out wrong. Nobody in this profession or any reasonable, unbiased person thinks a Cadillac is on par with this car from virtually standpoint.  

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    21 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Totally disagree with you. Tight, too small on the inside

    Raise of hands who here didn't see this line coming? 

    Their interior measurements are almost identical. But the GM always happens to just be roomier.. :scratchchin:

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    5 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    The CTS-v and ATS-v always seem to have dour black or gray interiors... haven't seen any with this much color. 

    lol wow. I never really realized that until right now. The ATS has 3 interior options.. Basically all black.

    These are your options in your 70k compact ATS Coupe. 

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    Guess they do not sell well here as a private carrier was taking it away for inner state transport.

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    There is also the overkill attitude which is everything Tan is overkill just like everything black is overkill. Accents are nice, brown on the black is nice. I do agree that Cadillac needs to expand their interior choices.

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    5 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    That's an LS500.  The full size 4dr. 

    That is correct. :thumbsup:

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    That is correct. :thumbsup:

    Yup and part of the same family no different than a CTS, CTS-V, etc.

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    1 hour ago, dfelt said:

    Yup and part of the same family no different than a CTS, CTS-V, etc.

    Invalid analogy.  The CTS-v is a trim level of the CTS, while the LS and LC are two different models.  The LS is considerably larger than the LC...the LS is V6 only, the LC is available w/ a V6 and V8.

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    Ironically, the LC is outselling the LS, which only moved 116 units in Jan. The big lexyota is on it's way out.

    I expressed my issues with the exterior design of the LC when it came out- it has fatal stylistic flaws in some views that make it appear 'broken backed' (no pun/insinuation there). Performance may be very good, but I do believe it is vastly overpriced. Sold 176 units in Jan.- would not hold my breath that greatly improves.

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    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Yup and part of the same family no different than a CTS, CTS-V, etc.

    Not. At. All. 

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    I think it is the first Lexus with predator grill that I actually like how it looks.  Interior looks great.

    It is great GT car but it is not a sports car.  Watched yesterday new episode of Top Gear were they actually reviewed this Lexus LC500 and then put it against Honda Civic type R on a track.  Civic was easily keeping up with the Lexus on track.  As many other reviews said it is a great GT car but it is not a sports car.

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    6 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    The LC looks great in brown...(everything looks better in brown, IMO).

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    Looks like a bug that needs to die under my heal or get flushed down the drain! :toiler:

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    Here is the huge problem with this car, Lexus wants you to think it is an S-class coupe competitor, but cheaper therefor a good value.  Problem is the LC500 is the roughly the size as an E-class coupe (the LC is 3 inches shorter and lower, but 3 inches wider).  The E53 coupe is faster and a better performer than the LC500, has all the same luxury features and one can argue styling or which interior is better, but that is mostly subjective.  

    So really you have the Lexus version of the E53 coupe with less performance for more money.  The S-class coupe is over a foot longer than this car, way better equipped, and way more powerful and much faster.

    And the reason the Lexus LS sedan doesn't sell now is because it looks too radical for the 80 year olds that buy it, and again, no optional engines, weak performance, low rent, dated, clutster-bleep ergonomics interior.  If they want to challenge the S-class they better step their game up.  

    12 hours ago, ykX said:

    I think it is the first Lexus with predator grill that I actually like how it looks.  Interior looks great.

    It is great GT car but it is not a sports car.  Watched yesterday new episode of Top Gear were they actually reviewed this Lexus LC500 and then put it against Honda Civic type R on a track.  Civic was easily keeping up with the Lexus on track.  As many other reviews said it is a great GT car but it is not a sports car.

    Not surprising because the Civic Type R is pretty quick on a track, especially any tight tracks without big straight aways, and Lexus couldn't find performance if they walked into the Ferrari factory in Marenello.

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    On 3/14/2018 at 12:56 PM, dfelt said:

    I understand price points and class segments for sale, but I still think the CTS-V and ATS-V are better than this car from interior to exterior and performance. So no value in this auto for what they charge. But then Lexus has not built anything yet that has impressed me.

    The Cadillacs have lower quality interiors with cheaper materials than this car.   Cadillac doesn't have a car with this level of luxury, maybe you can argue a CT6 platinum is in the ballpark but then that is a $90k car and not a coupe.

    I do think if Cadillac put the effort out, they could make an Eldorado off the Omega chassis to beat this car.   But then the elephant in the room is still the S-class coupe and the 8-series is coming back.  So you have to beat those guys too, although if Cadillac did an Eldorado I would size and price is against an E-class coupe because there is more volume in that size and price segment.

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    33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    ..Lexus wants you to think it is an S-class coupe competitor, ...

    This is your specific problem. Not every vehicle out there is an intended version/ copy of a mercedes, most OEMs build their own vehicles, for their customers in a given segment. In fact, almost NONE non-MB's are expressly intended to be MB-substitutes.
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    The issue with the LC is it's build quality doesn't support it's price; not even close. Toyota seems to believe they can Gee-Whiz you past the details with the overall shape ~
     

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    10 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Here is the huge problem with this car, Lexus wants you to think it is an S-class coupe competitor, but cheaper therefor a good value.  Problem is the LC500 is the roughly the size as an E-class coupe (the LC is 3 inches shorter and lower, but 3 inches wider).  The E53 coupe is faster and a better performer than the LC500, has all the same luxury features and one can argue styling or which interior is better, but that is mostly subjective.  

    So really you have the Lexus version of the E53 coupe with less performance for more money.  The S-class coupe is over a foot longer than this car, way better equipped, and way more powerful and much faster.

     

    Does Mercedes offer a 471hp V8 or a hybrid in the E400 or E400 4Matic? I didn't think so.. 

    There is no E53 Coupe on sale. 

    S Coupe is 30 grand more pricey, for more car. That seems pretty obvious. 

    9 hours ago, balthazar said:

    This is your specific problem. Not every vehicle out there is an intended version/ copy of a mercedes, most OEMs build their own vehicles, for their customers in a given segment. In fact, almost NONE non-MB's are expressly intended to be MB-substitutes.

    :thumbsup:

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    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Does Mercedes offer a 471hp V8 or a hybrid in the E400 or E400 4Matic? I didn't think so.. 

    There is no E53 Coupe on sale. 

    S Coupe is 30 grand more pricey, for more car. That seems pretty obvious. 

    :thumbsup:

    E53 will be on sale shortly and could technically qualify as a hybrid since it has an electric motor on bored but I wouldn’t call it one.

    The Lexus V8 is from yesteryear with no torque, the E53 is a faster car but AMG has more 500 hp V8 models than any other brand if that is your desire.

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    27 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    E53 will be on sale shortly and could technically qualify as a hybrid since it has an electric motor on bored but I wouldn’t call it one.

    The Lexus V8 is from yesteryear with no torque, the E53 is a faster car but AMG has more 500 hp V8 models than any other brand if that is your desire.

    Maybe you still don't understand that this is a grand touring car and not a race car. It's plenty fast for its intended purpose and has WAAAAAY more character than an E Class Coupe. Don't get me wrong, I think the E Coupe is an attractive car but it's as bland as yesteryear's Camry in comparison(or compared to most any other 100k car).

    Also, not only does the LC 500 have more horsepower it has more torque than your E53 to go along with its V8 noises(that seem to get great reviews BTW). If it's 0.1 slower to 60mph or through the 1/4 mile I don't think that stops either buyer from going to the other car as it's a negligible amount for a cruiser coupe. 

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    Is the world better off with the LC?

    Pros

    - Different manufacturer with their own differentiated product in a space with few alternatives and stagnant development

    - Breaks up the showroom monotony of past Lexus models

    - An actual blast to drive, great interior, beautiful symphony soundtrack

    - Makes a powerful statement styling wise, though not always a desirable one due to individual tastes

    - Middle finger to turbos and small displacement

    Cons

    - Another luxury product that dwindles Earth's finite resources for the pleasure of the few at the expense of the many

    - Animal cruelty to upholster the interior and deforestation to decorate the interior, and perhaps even previous metals, trace elements used from untraceable, perhaps illegitimate sources that have a downstream effect of devastating low income communities and the ecologies that are destroyed to produce said raw materials

    - As a flagship vehicle does not really represent a profitable product on its own, causes prices of other Lexus models to increase in order to capture the intangible brand value of a halo product.

    - Terrible AF infotainment.

    - Could they actually say this is state-of the art when it's weighs more than the full size sedan twin the LS....what do?

    - Not a Tesla, therefore, weak.

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    4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Maybe you still don't understand that this is a grand touring car and not a race car. It's plenty fast for its intended purpose and has WAAAAAY more character than an E Class Coupe. Don't get me wrong, I think the E Coupe is an attractive car but it's as bland as yesteryear's Camry in comparison(or compared to most any other 100k car).

    Also, not only does the LC 500 have more horsepower it has more torque than your E53 to go along with its V8 noises(that seem to get great reviews BTW). If it's 0.1 slower to 60mph or through the 1/4 mile I don't think that stops either buyer from going to the other car as it's a negligible amount for a cruiser coupe. 

    The E-class isn't a racer either, you could put an E53 into the grand tourer category too.  And it does 0-60 .5 seconds faster than the LC500.   The E53 makes 429 hp and 384 lb-ft with the gas engine, the electric motor adds 21 hp and 184 lb-ft, not sure what the combined output is.

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    On 3/16/2018 at 5:33 PM, smk4565 said:

    The E-class isn't a racer either, you could put an E53 into the grand tourer category too.  And it does 0-60 .5 seconds faster than the LC500.   The E53 makes 429 hp and 384 lb-ft with the gas engine, the electric motor adds 21 hp and 184 lb-ft, not sure what the combined output is.

    And it still looks as bland as a cookie cutter CUV. They probably sell 3 a year. 

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    Yeah, who would want a drop dead gorgeous N/A V8 GT with bullet-proof Lexus reliability and resale when you could get a slightly quicker, slightly cheaper E Class that is devoid of character and looks like just like the base $450 lease special C Coupe that every secretary aspires to own to show she's made it??

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    6 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Yeah, who would want a drop dead gorgeous N/A V8 GT with bullet-proof Lexus reliability and resale...

    Now yer talkin'!

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    I see little love for this car in this thread and I see a lot of...well...not so nice things said about it. This is what makes makes us humans unique in that we all like different things...

    Well...to the people who dont particularly like the looks of this car...

    Ya'll wrong and crazy for not liking it. 

    The car is sleek. Yes it has weird lines to it. The car is sleek non-the-less. And to my eyes at least...gorgeous as phoque! 

    About those lines. At least the LC500  does not look like the same ol, same ol garbage like other luxury  coupes.  Driving those other lux coupes gets you lost in the shuffle.

    I understand that sometimes buyers in this realm want to fly low...

    These are weenies in my opinion.  Hypocrites even.

    Dont want to flash the cash yet drive $150 000-$300 000 lux coupes... 

    If these people wouldnt want to flash the cash they be driving mud riddled F-150s.  So...please spare me the excuses.

    I understand the lines maybe too funky for you, which is fine. Point taken.  But that tells me is you might be one boring ass individual.  Life of the party you are NOT!

    Balthy does bring up a good point in that the fit and finish may not be on par and  with what Lexus is asking for a price tag for one.  THAT is the ONLY criticism I accept! 

    On to the next criticism...If the V8 under the hood does not do it for you...because you deem it anemic. 2 words for you: LS swap!  The price the LC500 costs, Im sure one that wants one could pony up 20 000 or so for a Chevy LS crate motor that is turn key!  

    Not worth the money? Aside from the fit and finish argument.

    this is in a realm of where "who gives a shyte" what it costs!  This is in a realm where the phoquing car is unique. And in MY world, toeing the line and conforming to the norm is NOT what I do! I applaud different. I applaud unique. I applaud sexiness and flaunting that sexiness. 

    So...there is my more than 2 cents on the matter!

    I freaking LOVE this car! 

    I saw it at the Montreal Auto Show last January and its even better looking up close and personal. And yes. many people were gawking at it. Of all ages and races and colour. And sexes...

     

     

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    10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Now yer talkin'!

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    Not Lexus bullet proof...

    And if its anything like its Fusion brother...Id be worried about the many recalls...

    Yes yes....my wife's Fusion has yet another recall. Something about the 1.6 liter ecoboost engine needed to be sensorized so that Id know low coolant was to happen, it would advise me so iI would do something about it so the gaskets could stay leak proof so they wont leak and start a FIRE!!! Or something like that! 

    Yes yes...the 1.6 liter ecoboost is still prone to fires apparently...

    The last recall on the car regarding that was for Ford technicians to test out the engine to see if there may be a problem for the gaskets to fail or something or other. They re-enforced  what they had to re-enforce and that was that.

    Plus...I read that 2013-2015 Fusions steering may come undone and cause accidents. I dont have a recall on it by Ford of Canada, but I know one is coming...soon...

    http://www.autonet.ca/fr/2018/03/14/ford-rappelle-138-million-de-voitures-pour-un-probleme-de-volant

    Its in French...google translate is there for ya'll...

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    The two posts above made by me  are NOT to be taken seriously. Its just me being me.  The opinions in those posts DO have truth to them and the posts DO reflect how I feel....its just that the post content is taken to the extreme. 

    For drama  and comedic effect.  Please move along. There is really nothing to see or read here. 

     

     

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    Do you have any idea of how many toyota/lexus recalls have been issued in the last 10 years??
    The cumulative total of vehicles must be closing in on 60 million at this point. There were 3 in the last 3 weeks. And if that studio photo of the LC is indicative, I'd hope the Mustang isn't as "good" as a lexus. :P

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    Here's another, and I'm telling you- it's just RAMPANT if you actually look. Volvo XC90, a vehicle that starts at $47K. See that seam- why isn't it consistent (and tight)- why is it angling wider as it goes to the right? This is shoddy body engineering, because it sure isn't intentional. What it is is inexcusable.

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    9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Do you have any idea of how many toyota/lexus recalls have been issued in the last 10 years??
    The cumulative total of vehicles must be closing in on 60 million at this point. There were 3 in the last 3 weeks. And if that studio photo of the LC is indicative, I'd hope the Mustang isn't as "good" as a lexus.

    Yeah...I know!

    I was being sarcastic with the Lexus bullet proof comment. 

    I also know the Mustang IS bullet proof!!!

    But my Fusion unfortunately does have these recalls. In reality though, my wife and I are NOT upset with these recalls. Just tired of them...

     

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    Like I posted in another thread about Mercury taking the 7 liter 505 HP V8 Crate motor and upping it to 750 HP, if you can spend the coin on this car, then spend the additional coin on this engine and give it a real thumping heart! :P After all what is an extra 32K plus installation costs.

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    9 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Now yer talkin'!

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    I am a big Mustang fan and this exact one hopefully will find a place on my driveway in a few years but interior is not even close to the Lexus interior.   On the other hand the Lexus costs almost double but it is not even close to being that much better.  However, people buying car like that are not about value for their money IMO.

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    I think the LC is the halo car that Lexus wanted, and they are okay with being different about it. With Mercedes you can choose between many options, but all of them give and take in certain ways. But Lexus wanted a grand tourer, but also a personal luxury coupe. Then they somehow also gave it performance handling and fun to drive chops.

    The biggest functional flaw is that even in the realm of coupes the LC is petite, but then again maybe the controversial design had something to do with it.

     

     

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    16 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Do you have any idea of how many toyota/lexus recalls have been issued in the last 10 years??
    The cumulative total of vehicles must be closing in on 60 million at this point. There were 3 in the last 3 weeks. And if that studio photo of the LC is indicative, I'd hope the Mustang isn't as "good" as a lexus. :P

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    Here's another, and I'm telling you- it's just RAMPANT if you actually look. Volvo XC90, a vehicle that starts at $47K. See that seam- why isn't it consistent (and tight)- why is it angling wider as it goes to the right? This is shoddy body engineering, because it sure isn't intentional. What it is is inexcusable.

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    If you have it out for any car company, you can find this with all of them. 

    On 3/15/2018 at 9:06 AM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    The LC looks great in brown...(everything looks better in brown, IMO).

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    5 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Anyone who thinks Ford is even in the same dimension as Lexus in regards to reliability is delusional.

    Anyone who thinks 60 million vehicles recalled for frequently MAJOR engineering problems is reliable is likewise. ;)

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    If you have it out for any car company, you can find this with all of them. 


    I don't 'have it out for' Volvo; volvo's not remotely on my radar. Just making observations especially topical whenever unreasonable fawning occurs. I hear 'incredible!', 'stunning' and I simply look at some studio photographs to see if reality matches up with the elevated hype.

    I heard this 20 years ago about BMWs, when they weren't nearly so frequent. So I sought out a few in parking lots and leered thru the window. Completely pedestrian, and always with those giant black steering wheels that color-matched nothing else in the interior. Like a school bus.

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    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Anyone who thinks 60 million vehicles recalled for frequently MAJOR engineering problems is reliable is likewise. ;)

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    I don't 'have it out for' Volvo; volvo's not remotely on my radar. Just making observations especially topical whenever unreasonable fawning occurs. I hear 'incredible!', 'stunning' and I simply look at some studio photographs to see if reality matches up with the elevated hype.

    I heard this 20 years ago about BMWs, when they weren't nearly so frequent. So I sought out a few in parking lots and leered thru the window. Completely pedestrian, and always with those giant black steering wheels that color-matched nothing else in the interior. Like a school bus.

     

    Recalls in and of themselves are meaningless. Every MFR has recalls. The scope and cause of them  is dependent upon many, many things beyond reliability.

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