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MOTOR TREND X-OVER COMPARO

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regfootball    234

4. Ford Edge

3. Toyota Highlander

2. Hyundai Santa Fe

1. Nissan Murano

I'll try to weigh in more on this tomorrow. The article was WEAK. It flat out said at the end of the article that none of the four stood out and won the competition. But in the interest of needing to print a finishing order, they then ordered them they way they did, in my opinion on bias.

They cited the Ford as being heavy and not having as much cargo space due to the fastback roofline. Its like they found one thing to bitch about about the Ford (weight) and played it up WAYYYY TO MUCH.

Because the Ford, despite being heavy had some of the best acceleration times and the best handling test times. It had I think the highest skidpad figure. The toyota was placed ahead of the Edge despite having unsatisfying steering etc. The Ford did not suffer functionally due to the extra weight.

Like I said, we all know the Edge is heavy and has some deficiencies. But to flat out say there is no winner, and then say 'well we need to rank em' and put the Ford last, I think smells like knee jerk import bias, because the test numbers bear out that theFord was wholly competitive. They simply could not use numbers to justify their bias, so they just flat out ignored the numbers this time. Except cargo space, where the minor reduction in cargo space was made to accomodate the stylish rear rake of the back end, which is what gives the Edge its character.

I am sure the next Highlander will equal the Edge in weight. But we'll never hear that from them.

How do GTI's and other misc German cars win comparos for being porky yet still posting good numbers? Like a 3200 pound GTI does.

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Northstar    11

I glanced over the article, and the also said the interior wasn't as good as the others. I can see the Santa Fe and Murano beating it, but the Highlander? No way; the only thing it does well is ride comfortably.

Having been in the Santa Fe a lot, I agreed with their assessment of it. The plood sucks, and there are a few quality concerns, but otherwise the interior is very nice, and it looks much more upscale than what would be suggested by the badge it wears.

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Bimmer325    18

I saw my first Edge this morning. It's certainly no looker in person.

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Northstar    11

The Highlamer is not even a crossover....it's an SUV. The Santa Fe might be an SUV too?

Both are unibody, I believe. The Highlander is on the old Camry's platform and the Santa Fe is on the Sonata's.

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Satty    338

I saw my first Edge the other night and loved it. I also like the Murano a lot, but I think the Edge beats it in many categories.

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regfootball    234

These have got to be the four most unappealing vehicles out there.

lots of folks are wanting in on this segment though. a tall riding crossover with cargo capacity etc. and all weather capability.

I think MT was f'ed on this one. First, they should not be comparing 3 row vehicles with 2 row vehicles. Compare the Freestyle to the Hihglander fro crissakes! But that's another deal.

My beef is, they said no competitor stood above another, and then it seemed to me if you read between the lines they pretty much just picked a finishing order based upon personal criteria and not any sort of testing objectivity. There was really nothing substantive to explain the way they picked the finish.

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JT64    0

Just face it, every single magazine/newspaper/any source has reviewed the Edge as mediocre, offering nothing special, and feeling a bit porky and Camry-esque. The interior isn't exactly the greatest thing.

And magazines just about always vote for sporty. Even Jeremy Clarkson gave the Murano thumbs up as the only big crossover he likes.

I don't know about the Highlander... I didn't like it.

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balthazar    1,875

...in the interest of needing to print a finishing order..

What "need" ?? Who decided there is any "need" ????? The world won't end if the article finishes with 'it was too close to decide- they all have pluses & minues, it's up to the individual.' Ranking where there is no clear ranking is forcing the issue and calling personal bias's into play- who wants that??

reg :

...seemed to me if you read between the lines they pretty much just picked a finishing order based upon personal criteria and not any sort of testing objectivity. There was really nothing substantive to explain the way they picked the finish.

Egg-zactly. But to 'today's generation', the bottom line is: '#1 wins and the rest suxs!'.

How do GTI's and other misc German cars win comparos for being porky yet still posting good numbers? Like a 3200 pound GTI does.

Just saw a piece today on the mercedes/mclaren slr: tiny 5.5L V-8 coupe with a full carbon-fiber body (what's not plastic) yet it weighs about 700 lbs more than a Corvette (slr: 3800)! WTF??

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balthazar    1,875

>>"...magazines just about always vote for sporty. "<<

>>"...the Ford, despite being heavy had some of the best acceleration times and the best handling test times. It had I think the highest skidpad figure."<<

:wacko:

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Obesity, like with American people, is a common problem with most all American trucks, SUVs, and crossovers... that's just the way it is here, I guess.

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Just saw a piece today on the mercedes/mclaren slr: tiny 5.5L V-8 coupe with a full carbon-fiber body (what's not plastic) yet it weighs about 700 lbs more than a Corvette (slr: 3800)! WTF??

The SLR was full of Paris Hilton's extra money and shoes.

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Cory Wolfe    263

I read it myself and this is what it says for anyone who wants to know:

So how did they finish? Truth told, no clear favorite emerged, no runaway winner. Innate, unavoidable jingoism had us all subconsciously pulling for the styling Edge, and its improved driving dynamics bolstered its case. But in the end, we couldn't forgive its inefficient packaging, excessive weight, iffy fit-and-finish, and lack of any standout surprise-and-delight features. It takes fourth. The Toyota is the hands-down winner in every Consumer Reports category, but it fails to deliver any of the style, cachet, or driving enjoyment needed to justify its purchase over a roomier, similarly priced Sienna AWD minivan, so MT awards it third place. Hyundai delivers most of what Toyota is selling for 80 cents on the dollar and throws in a killer warranty. The Santa Fe even trumps the Highlander in a few places, like soft-roading capability (with an all-wheel-drive lock system and modest underbody shielding). But build quality that doesn't quite live up to the promise of those Toyota saying J.D. Power ratings and performance figures that trailed the pack kept this Korean up-'n'-comer out of the winner's circle. And so the overpriced but gracefully aging athlete, which still delivers all the right moves, wins this contest--if only by a nose.

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balthazar    1,875

I also see that the Edge won front, side & rear crash test ratings (was a ticker item on the news last night)- any mention of that in the article?

>>"...lack of any standout surprise-and-delight features {Edge}"<<

So where is the list of 'surprise-&-delights' :rolleyes: for the other 3?? That the hyundai doesn't explode into pieces like the cop car at the end of the Blues Brothers?

Love how M/T goes to CR for verification of what they are too lazy or unable to investigate for themselves. Since when do magazines lean on other magazines for material?

Again- if there is no clear cut winner, forcing a ranking for no reason at all other than to feed the Pavlovian reader's expectation undermines your credibility.

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regfootball    234

thanks viper for posting that. is it only me interpreting it the way I do? I mean, that whole explanation of how they ranked them was very very wishy washy.

if they are going to rank them without regard to the test data, then SAY IT IN THE ARTICLE. don't even print the test data then or say how the edge is a top safety pick in its class by the IIHS.

and this a dumb comparison, again, anyways. if you want a three row vehicle you will not be looking at an edge anyways.

this is a 'stopgap' comparison test generated to fill print. They will no doubt have another comparion test in about 6 months with the new Highlanders and pilots, the more powerful 08 freestyle, the revised pacifica, the xl7 the subaru tribeca, and the lambdas. And I can already predict the finishing order of that one

7. XL7

6. freestyle

5. pacifica

4. tribeca

3. acadia

2. highlander

1. pilot

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Chris_Doane    29

I also see that the Edge won front, side & rear crash test ratings (was a ticker item on the news last night)- any mention of that in the article?

That would've been impossible since the ratings just came out and the magazine was locked in and heading to the press at least 2 weeks ago.

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MyerShift    7

Baah. The Edge should have placed higher than the ancient Highlander.

But, I have to be honest with you all.

I hate these vehicles, period.

Either give me a real wagon, a minivan, a car, or a trucky (real) SUV. Not some lame all things to all people that can't really do anything one thing well as another one of these vechicle types could. They are multitaskers, and multitasking never gets anything done as well as doing one thing at a time in a dedicated manner.

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The O.C.    2

The Highlamer is not even a crossover....it's an SUV. The Santa Fe might be an SUV too?

Uh.....Highlander AND Santa Fe are built off uni-body (re....car-based) architectures.....

How are they NOT crossovers?

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