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Now I am aware that not all GM enthusiasts of the X or Y generation are heavy metal fans, however it seems like a huge majority of them are. I've always found that interesting. Any thoughts or comments pertaining to this?

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I don't have a mullet. I just like my music to be able to work as a substitute for coffee when needed.

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I'm more of a quiet, Indie-ish rock person. And classical. Bluegrass and folk on occasion.

Hey, I do own a Saab... :lol:

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I like Hard Rock/Driving Rock/Melodic Rock... but I :censored: hate the Heavy Metal of the present day. I can't understand what all these alt-rock, death-metal singers are even saying.

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I was really big into heavy metal about 3 or 4 years ago when I was in high school, but since then my music tastes have expanded a bit. I still listen to heavy stuff, but I'm finding myself increasingly leaning towards classic rock and folk or some kind of funk nowadays. Strangely enough, music slightly influences what kind of cars I'll buy...I put all cars I test drive through the Foghat Test. If it feels right to be listening to "Slow Ride" while I'm cruising along with the windows down...well, then I'll love the car to death.

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I don't have a mullet. I just like my music to be able to work as a substitute for coffee when needed.

Sounds about right.

THough my music tastes are all over....

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I just like my music to be able to work as a substitute for coffee when needed.

I'm like that too most of the time, but sometimes it's Classical, Jazz, Blues or even Country that substitutes for coffee...

EDIT - I'll be watching Metallica (again) on June 28th in Lisbon... Let's see if they bring some new songs on tour again...

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I like Hard Rock/Driving Rock/Melodic Rock... but I :censored: hate the Heavy Metal of the present day. I can't understand what all these alt-rock, death-metal singers are even saying.

For me screaming should be controlled and not something that the "singer" should always do. 99% of death metal sucks anyways, usually the same damn topic about devil worship. Screaming can sometimes make a song more energized when it conveys emotion, but not when it's just growling or dominates the song.

A good example of screaming being good for a song.....Clicky

And for good measure ( watch all the way through, song has a different ending than the one on the album) hehehe

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Hmm. Linkin Park's alright, but I like my coffee a little bit

than that.
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I saw Megadeth a couple years ago. I think Dave Mustaine has been the only consistent member in the band's history.

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Rest in peace, Dimebag.

Or rock out in the afterlife. Whatever you'd prefer to do, really.

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I live about 30 minutes from where he's buried, but I won't go see him unless I got a bottle of JD. Gotta show him some love and respect.

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I think I've found my biggest beef with music today; it's the production, especially the drums. Everything sounds so flat and one-dimensional, the exact opposite of music as early as 10 years ago. I was listening to a new W.A.S.P. song today...the drums sounded like crap and they even used a damn megaphone for part of the lyrics. You'd think with all our advancing sound technology we could make music that was richer and with more depth than ever before...instead, it's in vogue to have monotone vocals and stripped music (especially indie...I can't stand songs where all they do is pluck at an acoustic guitar and whisper into the mic).

Listen to any new release by an 80s band today...Ozzy, W.A.S.P., Metallica, Queensryche...and especially any nu-metal / modern rock band...they just don't have that thundering sound anymore. The only new album that seems to have avoided this is Saxon's 'Lionheart'...that's what I'm talking about when I mean depth and richness. Oh yeah, Judas Priest's album Angel of Retribution is awesome as well. Those two are worth picking up if you're a fan of 80s metal.

I know back in the day bands used to record their albums in huge concrete rooms such as warehouses to give them that sound; I wonder if bands today (especially indie) just record in little booths. The new Guns N' Roses songs sound mediocre. I was hoping for something like Appetite that would wake up the rock scene, but it won't be Chinese Democracy. Metallica is my next hope, but after St. Anger I'm not anticipating much.

Also, it seems like songs just aren't distinctive anymore. There are a number of 90s songs that just stood out and had a distinctive sound, you could pick them out right away on the radio. Now you have bands like Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman, and Hinder that all sound exactly alike. Or the stream of emo bands that just recycle the same garbage over and over.

Marilyn Manson's song "Rock is Dead" is so true.

EDIT - I'll be watching Metallica (again) on June 28th in Lisbon... Let's see if they bring some new songs on tour again...

I saw them in 2004 in Ames, IA...they put on an awesome show and even played Disposable Heroes for the first time in many years. They can still rock out to the oldies. I just wish they would put the same energy into their new albums. Edited by mustang84
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i like classic rock, but my favorite band is metallica.... this video is why i wish i could see them in concert.... too bad this concert was before i was even born...

Battery-1989

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I prefer German bands, but then I'm fluent in German since I grew up there.

Rammstein is one of my favorites of all time from Germany, I saw them in 2005 live since I happen to be in Italy when they were in Milan. Those that have me on MSN Messenger will see me listening to Rammstein alot.

Translation for Bob! Rammstein in concerto a Milano il 24 Febbraio 2005 :smilewide:

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I'm more of a quiet, Indie-ish rock person. And classical. Bluegrass and folk on occasion.

Hey, I do own a Saab... :lol:

And the evidence for why GM should jettison SAAB keeps mounting. . . :P

Nah, I actually like a lot of that too; it makes a good change of pace for when I've overdosed on metal. I recently discovered Chapel Hill's classical station, and I'm hooked. My favorite part is that I recognize a lot of the songs from their being converted from classical to metal riffs.

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I think I've found my biggest beef with music today; it's the production, especially the drums. Everything sounds so flat and one-dimensional, the exact opposite of music as early as 10 years ago. I was listening to a new W.A.S.P. song today...the drums sounded like crap and they even used a damn megaphone for part of the lyrics. You'd think with all our advancing sound technology we could make music that was richer and with more depth than ever before...instead, it's in vogue to have monotone vocals and stripped music (especially indie...I can't stand songs where all they do is pluck at an acoustic guitar and whisper into the mic).

Amen. When did boring become edgy?

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I think I've found my biggest beef with music today; it's the production, especially the drums. Everything sounds so flat and one-dimensional, the exact opposite of music as early as 10 years ago. I was listening to a new W.A.S.P. song today...the drums sounded like crap and they even used a damn megaphone for part of the lyrics. You'd think with all our advancing sound technology we could make music that was richer and with more depth than ever before...instead, it's in vogue to have monotone vocals and stripped music (especially indie...I can't stand songs where all they do is pluck at an acoustic guitar and whisper into the mic).

Listen to any new release by an 80s band today...Ozzy, W.A.S.P., Metallica, Queensryche...and especially any nu-metal / modern rock band...they just don't have that thundering sound anymore. The only new album that seems to have avoided this is Saxon's 'Lionheart'...that's what I'm talking about when I mean depth and richness. Oh yeah, Judas Priest's album Angel of Retribution is awesome as well. Those two are worth picking up if you're a fan of 80s metal.

I know back in the day bands used to record their albums in huge concrete rooms such as warehouses to give them that sound; I wonder if bands today (especially indie) just record in little booths. The new Guns N' Roses songs sound mediocre. I was hoping for something like Appetite that would wake up the rock scene, but it won't be Chinese Democracy. Metallica is my next hope, but after St. Anger I'm not anticipating much.

Also, it seems like songs just aren't distinctive anymore. There are a number of 90s songs that just stood out and had a distinctive sound, you could pick them out right away on the radio. Now you have bands like Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman, and Hinder that all sound exactly alike. Or the stream of emo bands that just recycle the same garbage over and over.

Marilyn Manson's song "Rock is Dead" is so true.

I saw them in 2004 in Ames, IA...they put on an awesome show and even played Disposable Heroes for the first time in many years. They can still rock out to the oldies. I just wish they would put the same energy into their new albums.

Agree with some things... Disagree with others...

As far as depth of sound and such, What do you listen to this music with? 5 watt cell-phone speakers? Putting 80's hard rock/metal versus 00's hard rock/metal... is generally no comparison (granted, much of the stuff like Nickelback, Emo bands, "Punk" bands, etc. is pathetic). Listening to Metallica's Black Album right after SOAD's Toxicity/STA! is like taking the equalizer and flipping it to the opposite.

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Drums are definately flatter sounding today. But the 80's were about bombast, and awe, and that got lost after the Seattle Grunge movement.

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Agree with some things... Disagree with others...

As far as depth of sound and such, What do you listen to this music with? 5 watt cell-phone speakers? Putting 80's hard rock/metal versus 00's hard rock/metal... is generally no comparison (granted, much of the stuff like Nickelback, Emo bands, "Punk" bands, etc. is pathetic). Listening to Metallica's Black Album right after SOAD's Toxicity/STA! is like taking the equalizer and flipping it to the opposite.

I can't explain it, but when you have 20 gigs worth of music spanning 30+ years, it's easy to notice the progression in sound over time. I can tell a 1983 song apart from a 1988 song just by the quality of the drum sound emitted. And up until the early 00s, there was still depth to music...Filter, Fuel, Incubus, Godsmack, etc...the songs sounded rich and full. It's partially due to the drum, partially due to the guitar tuning (especially bands that do drop D tuning), partially due to playing the same tired riffs, and partially lack of melodic vocals.

One of the most near-perfect sounding albums is Master of Puppets...that is the ideal production sound to me. Not too over the top with reverb and delay, but not flat and dull. I've noticed most albums today lean toward brash and in-your-face sound, especially the guitars...instead of wowing you with an unique melody or riff, they try to wow you with stacked noise and lots of bass. Nu-metal is guilty of this. I have Sevendust's CD "Next"...it's a good example of what I'm talking about. I like the melodic choruses, but much of the rest of the album is generic riffs and drumming, highly repetitive rough vocals. When I play it in my car, the bass and guitar crunch overwhelms everything...being loud just to be loud. But put in Master of Puppets, each guitar was tuned for a specific sound, guitars are layered to create interesting effects, the vocals take on a recognizable melody, the drums thud with enough power not to be overbearing, and the album was recorded in a large room to give it full, rich sound.

That's the key...bands used to take special care when recording and mixing albums. Def Leppard was notorious for perfecting each bit of sound. I don't hear that attention to detail by new bands today, and I have my theory. Back before grunge, bands spent absurd amounts of time trying to out-do the next guy in a riff or a guitar solo or double bass drums or whatever. Real "guitar heroes" were born during this time and it was part of the show...you had to be able to play well and wow the audience with your catchy vocals or double axe guitar solo. Then Nirvana came along, guitar solos and anything relating to the 80s became "uncool," and a whole generation of budding guitarists idolized Cobain and the like, learned how to play Smells Like Teen Spirit, and never even attempted Ride the Lightning, Round and Round, or Mr. Scary. Also in the 90s (actually starting at the tail end of the 80s with the third-rate hair bands), the music industry stopped signing bands based on talent and more on image or stage show. There's a whole slew of generic bands today that can't hold a candle in vocal capacity or guitar technique to most bands from 15+ years ago.

It's why I've been hoping that one of these new bands will rediscover some of the older stuff or some musical scion will take up the guitar and show people how it's done. The old bands don't have the energy anymore (look at what Metallica has become...using Power Tools to produce St. Anger and trendy Linkin Park vocal styles). I was banking on Chinese Democracy, but it's a rehash of the same old with some guitar solos...it's like the rebellion has been sucked out of Axl. He used to be notorious for talking dirty and picking fights with Vince Neil and nobody dared mess with him and his band...now he is just another has-been rocker. Where is the Guns N' Roses for this generation? Nobody has the attitude to step up to the plate...it's all radio-friendly, Billboard-friendly generic copycat rock. Now that I think about it, the production is just skimming the surface...the real thing that bugs me is the lack of ATTITUDE with bands today.

It's kinda like David Lee Roth once said...old Van Halen was about drinking beer, girls, and kicking ass...new Van Halen (with Hagar) is like drinking milk, driving a Nissan, and being in a relationship.

Ok, I'm beating a dead horse and need to go to bed......

:deadhorse:

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