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St. Louis-area town considers proposal that would ban swearing in bars

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22559988?gt1=10755

ST. CHARLES, Mo. - What the ...? A St. Louis-area town is considering a bill that would ban swearing in bars, along with table-dancing, drinking contests and profane music.

City officials contend the bill is needed to keep rowdy crowds under control because the historic downtown area gets a little too lively on some nights

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Sounds like something you would hear about from the Bible Belt...

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Err...doesn't this toss the 1st Amendment right out of the window?

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I'm never going to a bar in Missouri if this gets passed, I guess. I can't imagine how staid and depressing those bars are going to become with all the fun sucked out of them.

I have a friend in St. Louis, too. I wonder what he makes of this...?

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Err...doesn't this toss the 1st Amendment right out of the window?

Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

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I've never been to St. Louis, but I hear the BBQ is pretty good..will have to go sometime.

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Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

...but it's not being established by the bars. It's being established by the town (aka government). It seems awfully fuzzy to me, though there are already laws for "lewd behavior" in public, so this is kind of stretching already existing laws. It sounds like the town is trying to give the police some easier ammo for dealing with rowdys, but way overdoing it.

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Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

I would think it's very anti 1st amendment. private establishment... like laws that ban smoking in these "private areas", they don't care that it's a private establishment.

St. Louis can be pretty bible-belty though..

st charles is on the west side of st louis.... on I-70 um.. st louis, being a large metro area, isn't known for being conservative. i'm ~1 1/2 south of st louis.

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St. Charles is a St. Louis suburb that's pretty uppity. This doesn't really surprise me.

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um.. st louis, being a large metro area, isn't known for being conservative.

That's not really the feeling I got when I lived there. :confused0071:

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The table dancing and drinking contest bans may stick, the "lewd music" part can be justified by existing "disturbing the peace" type laws, not sure how they plan to outlaw profane language without a fat lawsuit.

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I don't quite get this one either, but I can't see it being much different than a place enforcing a certain dress code.

...but dress codes are usually created & implemented by a business, not the city gov't (aside from "indecency" stuff).

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...but dress codes are usually created & implemented by a business, not the city gov't (aside from "indecency" stuff).

Yes, that's the key difference with this issue..it's not rules imposed by the bars themselves but by the local government, which makes it a sticky situation..

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Get used to it folks...

Each year more freedom is taken away.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind some restrictions on VERY lude activity in bars. Of course, around here it's gotten so bad that people are openly doing cocaine on the tables in some places. (This happened the last time I was out in my home town)

Profanity is one thing... Open use of cocaine is another I guess.

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Get used to it folks...

Each year more freedom is taken away.

I don't want that... when will "the powers" understand that's what their doing, and it's not providing us more security.

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