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Internet speed question

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I bought a refurbished computer a couple months ago (Gateway QuadCore 32-bit, 4 gigs RAM, GeForce 9800 GT card, Vista Home) and keep it defragged and do a file clean on a regular basis. It's fast and has no problems with graphic-demanding games like GTA IV. But when it comes to the internet, it can be a real bitch sometimes as far as speed goes. My internet provider is Mediacom and I have an 8 mb/sec download speed, but the overall performance ranges from horrible on IE7 to mediocre on Google Chrome. Firefox falls in the middle.

Does anyone know what the cause is, and if there are any solutions? Is it due to Vista? Perhaps Norton system scan is being a pig in the background? I really have no idea, so any help would be appreciated!

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Are you running through a router? Wireless or wired?

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Norton is a pig, when the subscription expires get Avast! Antivirus.

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Norton has always been a horrible resource hog and I still think some of their warnings and $h! are to make you think its doing something. I use the Avant browser and AVG antivirus, its great.

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LOL, imagine the look you'd get going into Radio Shack or BB and asking if they had a tube tester. :blink:

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LOL, imagine the look you'd get going into Radio Shack or BB and asking if they had a tube tester. :blink:

I'd have to explain to those young whipper snappers that the internet is a series of tubes.

'Stang, could your problem be that an internet was sent to you but got tangled up?

Ok, I'm done channeling Ted Stevens.

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Are you running through a router? Wireless or wired?

Noped, wired.

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Sounds like a driver issue, or the ISP sucks. You could also try resetting the router and modem.

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Download speed according to that site is 6.8 mbs.

It seems to do ok with simple graphics, but when a page has a plethora of Flash graphics it can struggle quite a bit. I'm thinking it might be the ISP since everything feels about the same as my old, slower computer (choppy performance, slow page loading).

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i don't have even a meg dsl, but when it gets really slow, and missing pages alot, i know it's time to reset the router. i have to do this every few months....

isn't vista getting an SP2 in the next few months? i know vista had some network slowage if it hasn't been patched...

just some ideas.

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My gateway desktop is close to yours...and vista makes my dial up REAALLLYY slow.

My thinking is that is does have something to do with Vista....

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I think I've figured it out. Apparently Firefox 3 and Google Chrome are both not optimized to work with Flash (or at least not as well as IE), so 3/4 of the time a page with flash graphics will either crash or cause the browser to slow to a crawl. I'm using IE7 right now and it's doing pretty decent (I hadn't used IE in a long time, so disregard my first post...IE6 used to be pretty painstaking for me and I rarely used it).

Oddly, Google Chrome worked ok when I first downloaded it, but now it seems like it can't handle any sort of Flash graphics. YouTube videos are choppy to the point of being unwatchable. Firefox 2 used to work fine with Flash, but the latest version sucks. With the amount of webpages that have some sort of Flash interface or Flash advertising, I don't understand why they are not optimized to run it like IE is.

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That doesn't seem accurate. I work with flash all the time and FireFox 3 has no issues with it, and neither does IE.

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vista sucks norton sucks. no wonder microsoft is rushing 7 to the market. vista has not been received well, and rightfully so. nothing sucks ass more than vista.

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vista sucks norton sucks. no wonder microsoft is rushing 7 to the market. vista has not been received well, and rightfully so. nothing sucks ass more than vista.

Maybe the users just suck? Vista's not perfect, and I do prefer XP, but it's not terrible. There admin/permission thing can get annoying if you're working within the system, but normally it's not a big deal. The only thing that really bugs me about Vista is that bluetooth doesn't work properly on it.

Norton, however, sucks bahls.

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Reg please just ignore any conversation with computers in it, okay?

As for Stang,

I doubt its flash but its worth an update. http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

With a Quad and vista it should handle Norton easily in the background processes. It is a hog, but pretty effective. I use AVG free with Spybot search and destroy.

I really couldn't help you being I'm not there to see whats happening. However try these,

hold the windows key (usually between the ctrl and alt key) and then hit the letter "R" at the same time. should bring up "run" type in "CMD" this will bring up command.

In the lovely ms dos command prompt. Type "ping www.gm.com" It should somthing like

C:\Users\Desktop>ping www.gm.com

Pinging a1073.g.akamai.net [204.2.249.65] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 204.2.249.65: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=52
Reply from 204.2.249.65: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=52
Reply from 204.2.249.65: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=52
Reply from 204.2.249.65: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 204.2.249.65:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 67ms, Maximum = 82ms, Average = 71ms

Do this a couple of time in a row. See where the % loss is? make sure its 0% every time. If it misses one then it will look a little like this

C:\Users\God>ping www.gm.com

Pinging a1073.g.akamai.net [8.21.193.58] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 8.21.193.58: bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=56
Reply from 8.21.193.58: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=56
Reply from 8.21.193.58: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=56
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 8.21.193.58:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 3, Lost = 1 (25% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 34ms, Maximum = 43ms, Average = 37ms

The reason for this is, I have seen where a NIC (network Interface Card) or modem or router have had a dieing port or broken port where the RJ45 network cable goes into. Even the cable could be bad. and it will cause the computer to miss packets of info which it needs to load a page. it can miss a couple and be sent back to you again and you can barley notice it however flash apps are bigger and if its not getting every packet the first time then its rather a pain and slow. Also next to the clock there are 2 computers with a picture of the earth. Does that ever show a Yellow Triangle?

If you ISP is claiming 8.0 megabits a second that is aprox. 1 megabyte a second. from bits to byte divide by 8. your average download speed should be around 600-700 kilobytes which is damn fast. meaning James Gang Funk #49 witch is a 3:53 long song and is 4.5 Megabytes big should take about 6.5 seconds to download in a perfect world. If you have Dial-up which is 56 kilobits which is a max of 6 kilobytes a second that same song will take about 19:15 to download in a perfect world. Hopefully that makes sense. If its your ISP that causing your bog then call and complain and have them send out a tech for free.

Reg, In the 2009 market place Vista runs excellent on any machine sold. However, if your machine is from lets say 2004? 2.6 ghz pentium 4 1 gig of ddr 250 hdd. Decent computer and still is. but Its for xp not vista. Vista is Next gen stuff ddr2-3 dual and quad cores 2.0ghz and up with more than 1mb of cache. Once you have this next gen stuff and its good not dual core celerons and semprons. you will find vista ran just as fast as XP did. Im sick of your anti vista bias in EVERY PC THREAD. Buy a mac and shut the f@#k up then. Macs run good because they have next gen stuff not because of OSX, seen a MB pro run vista? its amazing. They said a long time ago that vista was gonna go for a 3 year run because they were gonna change a lot of source code for vista but, that didn't happen. Its still off the Win2000 nt kernal like XP is. Don't quote me but Win 7 is supposed to have that source code change that vista was going to have. Windows 7 Should be more efficient and less memory intensive since its not XP running a demanding GUI (graphical user interface).

I might be wrong because I'm not a pro but i know a little to be dangerous.

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Awesome post Capriceman, very helpful! I tried the prompt log, but as soon as the window opened it ran through the first five lines ending with TTL=54 and then the window closed automatically, so I wasn't able to see the % loss. How do you keep the window from closing?

My internet is very fast when a page is simple HTML, but anything with Flash seems to cause it to slow or freeze up. I've tried reinstalling Flash before but it didn't seem to make a difference.

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Well html itself is fast to load on almost any speed (not counting photos).

As capriceman said, it's hard to diagnose without being there.

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when the run window comes up type "CMD" and the black window will stay up. in the black window type "ping www.gm.com"

hmmm.... this is a tricky one. could be flash conflicting with a video driver. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_181.20_whql.html

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Also, to add to the Vista thing. I have installed it on Jessica's computer that I built her and it's as fast as XP on my machine.

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It shows 0% loss.

I'm installing the driver components and it's taking a while...I'll let you know the outcome tomorrow.

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