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BMW 5-series GT: Don't call this concept an MPV

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BMW 5-series GT

Greg Kable

AutoWeek

February 13, 2009 - 9:32 am ET

BMW's desire to compete in every conceivable luxury-market niche has moved up a gear with the unveiling of the 5-series GT, a car known until now by its working title, the Progressive Activity Sedan.

Although BMW will be billing the five-door liftback as a concept at its public showing at the Geneva motor show in early March, little about its bold design is expected to change before it reaches showrooms.

In fact, the official photographs reveal the new car in its production-based glory. Only the trim will be altered before it sees the showroom, BMW says.

By insisting that it is called a GT, for Grand Turismo, BMW is attempting to avoid its latest model being described as an MPV. In reality, it is a combination of both, with a dash of sport-utility vehicle thrown in for good measure.

One of the primary reasons for the existence of the 5-series GT, according to BMW's outgoing design boss Chris Bangle, is an internal study that reveals an aging customer base that finds the traditional seating position of the 5-series sedan too sporting but at the same time considers the elevated seating in the X6 too imposing.

"This is the most customer-centered car we've ever done," Bangle said. "We discovered a group of BMW buyers we were failing to reach out to at a sales level. We wanted to build a car to suit their everyday needs. There were no preconceived ideas. Everything you see is customer driven."

The 5-series GT, which will be shown in production trim at the Frankfurt motor show in September (North American sales begin in 2010), is based on BMW's new large-car platform, first used by the redesigned 7-series. It rides on a unique 120.9-inch wheelbase that is expected to be shared with a long-wheelbase version of the next 5-series to be sold in the Chinese market.

At launch, the 5-series GT will be offered only with rear-wheel drive, although the xDrive four-wheel-drive system is planned to be offered as an option in the future.

The exterior styling is credited to young BMW designer Christopher Weil.

Below the 5-series GT's waistline, the appearance and body surfacing resembles that of the next-generation 5-series sedan due out next year. Above it, the roofline and corresponding window graphic mimics the X6. Weil also integrated elements of BMW's CS concept into the design, as seen by the shape of the headlamps.

The biggest exterior innovation is the 5-series GT's two-mode hatch opening mechanism. In the first mode, the vertical tailgate hinges upward, porthole style, to create a rectangular-shaped opening. In the second mode, the entire rear window and tailgate lift together to provide a large opening that is further aided by a parcel shelf that automatically folds away to provide unimpeded loading.

BMW dealerships will have to find precious real estate to accommodate the new car when it arrives in North American showrooms early next year. At 196.8 inches long and 61.2 inches tall, the 5-series GT is about six inches longer and 3.7 inches taller than today's 5-series sedan, which will be replaced by an all-new within the next year.

It is inside the car where BMW has directed much of its attention.

"We spent a long time developing the interior, with particular attention given to everyday use," says Oliver Heilner, who is credited with the cabin layout. "We wanted a car you could enter without difficulty and feel comfortable in over long journeys."

Among the steps to ensure a large door opening is the adoption of frameless doors.

"There was a compromise with conventional doors because the frame robbed valuable space along the top edge," Heilner said.

Inside, there's a luxuriously trimmed interior that draws heavily on the architectural look established on the new 7-series. The tall, 10-window greenhouse provides ample headroom, even in back where the roofline plunges dramatically. There's sufficient legroom in back to allow the 5-series GT to be used as a chauffeur-driven limousine.

The front seats have been elevated by 2.4 inches over those in the 5-sereis sedan, with the crucial H-point (the height of the hip above the ground) put at 22.6 inches. Still, it's a good 6.2 inches lower than the X6.

The concept bound for Geneva boasts a businesslike interior with four seats. However, production versions of the new BMW will get a bench rear seat to hold three people.

To help improve cabin refinement, BMW has provided the 5-series GT with a partition between the rear seat and the trunk.

"This helps isolate any noise emanating from the rear," says Heilner.

The rear seats fold flat to increase cargo space.

Early 5-series GT models are likely to offer a choice between the 272-hp naturally aspirated and an updated 326-hp twin-turbo version of BMW's 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine, along with a 407-hp turbocharged 4.4-liter V8. Also planned are 245-hp single turbo and 286-hp twin-turbo versions of its 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder common-rail diesel. Gearbox choices will include a standard six-speed manual on the base gasoline and diesel engines, with a newly developed eight-speed automatic on the others. Other engines will follow. Just don't expect a 507-hp 5.0-liter V10 GT-M5 version anytime soon.

As part of BMW's EfficientDynamics program, features such as start/stop and regenerative braking will come standard. Also being readied for the 5-series GT is the first stage in BMW's new thermal-electric generator technology.

Expect a standard steel spring setup on lower-end models, with an air suspension on high-end models. Active damping control will be standard.

Both active front steering and BMW's new active rear steering--introduced on the 7-series--will be available.

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So... they made the X6 to make the X5 look more like a car, and now they're making this to make the 5-series look more like an SUV?

Somebody tell me where I can pick up the 'good stuff' that BMW has been smoking as of late.

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This is atrocious.

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I'm liking it... this bodes well for the regular 5-series. The front half is much better than the melted down 7.

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Forward of the A-pillar is decent, but everything behind it is terrible...the greenhouse, the ugly rear rend.

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Oh I get it! Hatchbacks are cool again! If only GM were ahead of the curve and had the foresight to offer something cool like a hatchback! BMW is truely ground breaking! I bet it'll even have that neato wiz-bang column shift that my grandmother's 2007 7-series does. Now GM has to play catch up again! {/smk]

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Wow.... a RWD luxury 5dr hatchback. When was the last time something like that was built?

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Wow.... a RWD luxury 5dr hatchback. When was the last time something like that was built?

It's not luxury I guess but...

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I mean hell, this is just a tall-ish wagon, Mercedes and BMW have been making wagons for years....and Audi.

There's also the CTS wagon...

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It's not luxury I guess but...

I mean hell, this is just a tall-ish wagon, Mercedes and BMW have been making wagons for years....and Audi.

There's also the CTS wagon...

Yeah, but those are wagons. This is a 5dr hatchback. Like the old Rover SD1. Or Ford Sierra (Merkur Scorpio).

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something is wrong at BMW. First the Z4 looks terrible in pictures. the X6 is a disaster. the 7 has had a remake that is one half detail remake and the other half regression to older much more conservative themes. then Bangle quit.

this thing. I don't understand. I thought they understand shapes. the flow, the beauty, proportions. this is weird. the thing is, hatches are the future. as we get slowly conditioned through the release of more attractive crossovers, it will become a marketing mantra that consumers will be introduced to hatches like the crossovers have. design will be the key differentiation between future and past, hatches will become sexier and more inventive. as people increasingly desire practicality from all cars.

but this has no sexiness. maybe real life will save the Z4 and this car. it didn't save the X6 though.

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So it's got a little more headroom? I'm not really seeing how a slightly higher and more awkward roof angle gives it such a huge distinction from a wagon.

Technically anything with a "hatch" is a hatchback anyway. :P

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something is wrong at BMW. First the Z4 looks terrible in pictures. the X6 is a disaster. the 7 has had a remake that is one half detail remake and the other half regression to older much more conservative themes. then Bangle quit.

this thing. I don't understand. I thought they understand shapes. the flow, the beauty, proportions. this is weird. the thing is, hatches are the future. as we get slowly conditioned through the release of more attractive crossovers, it will become a marketing mantra that consumers will be introduced to hatches like the crossovers have. design will be the key differentiation between future and past, hatches will become sexier and more inventive. as people increasingly desire practicality from all cars.

but this has no sexiness. maybe real life will save the Z4 and this car. it didn't save the X6 though.

BMW hasn't had an understanding for lines and shapes in years. Have you looked at the 3-Series? The details get are screewed upw ith that car...panel seem don't meet with each other but instead are like 5 inches part.

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something is wrong at BMW. First the Z4 looks terrible in pictures. the X6 is a disaster. the 7 has had a remake that is one half detail remake and the other half regression to older much more conservative themes. then Bangle quit.

this thing. I don't understand. I thought they understand shapes. the flow, the beauty, proportions. this is weird. the thing is, hatches are the future. as we get slowly conditioned through the release of more attractive crossovers, it will become a marketing mantra that consumers will be introduced to hatches like the crossovers have. design will be the key differentiation between future and past, hatches will become sexier and more inventive. as people increasingly desire practicality from all cars.

but this has no sexiness. maybe real life will save the Z4 and this car. it didn't save the X6 though.

The vertical part of the hatch sort of looks like the tailgate of the 1st gen X5... it would look sexy if it were a few inches lower and sleeker...but this is intentionally tall and practical...they are doing the same high H point thing Ford did with the Five Hundred, Taurus, etc.

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What the hell is the Point anyway?! They gave wagons, SUVs, the X6...I mean honestly. They could be working on a new M1 but instead we're getting 20 remxes of the wagon.

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So it's got a little more headroom? I'm not really seeing how a slightly higher and more awkward roof angle gives it such a huge distinction from a wagon.

Technically anything with a "hatch" is a hatchback anyway. :P

Yes, but a 5dr hatchback has always been considered a distinct bodystyle from a wagon...wagons have a more vertical rear window and a longer roof, while a hatchback has a longer, more sloped rear window. Think of the 5dr Vectra vs a Vectra wagon. or a Focus 5dr vs. a Focus wagon.

(I've never heard of anyone confusing wagons with hatchbacks)

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Yes, but a 5dr hatchback has always been considered a distinct bodystyle from a wagon...wagons have a more vertical rear window and a longer roof, while a hatchback has a longer, more sloped rear window. Think of the 5dr Vectra vs a Vectra wagon. or a Focus 5dr vs. a Focus wagon.

So then you could call the Magnum a hatchback or a wagon? This is silly. :lol:

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So then you could call the Magnum a hatchback or a wagon? This is silly. :lol:

Wagon. Just like there is a Golf 5dr and a Golf (Jetta) wagon. Wagons usually have a longer rear, and are more squared off than a hatchback.

A hatchback version of the Magnum would be cool, though (with a slanted rear hatch and triangular quarter windows, something like the back of a Rover SD1).

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I'm going to be the first to shout out: MPV!!! :P

This thing is atrocious...

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Yes, but a 5dr hatchback has always been considered a distinct bodystyle from a wagon...wagons have a more vertical rear window and a longer roof, while a hatchback has a longer, more sloped rear window. Think of the 5dr Vectra vs a Vectra wagon. or a Focus 5dr vs. a Focus wagon.

(I've never heard of anyone confusing wagons with hatchbacks)

Well if you look at the rear of this monstrosity, the hatch itself looks more upright than teh Magnum's, and while this thing has a more violent and sloping roof line, the Magnum's roof slopes too. :P

I'm not confusing the two I just find the distinction silly because so little separates them. Now a 3 door is easy to distinction because wagons hardly ever come as 3-doors. :P

In the Golf 5-door's case it is much shorter than a normal wagon, this BMW is long like a wagon.

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Congratulations BMW, you finally managed to catch up to Oldsmobile... right down to the dual intake grill....

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Now a 3 door is easy to distinction because wagons hardly ever come as 3-doors. :P

You just set yourself up for an pwning by Balthazar and SixtyEight.

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You just set yourself up for an pwning by Balthazar and SixtyEight.

I said hardly, I didn't say never, I know they were made :P

Show me 15 of them in the last 20 years.

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Well if you look at the rear of this monstrosity, the hatch itself looks more upright than teh Magnum's

Noooo..the window part of the hatch is all slopey/slanty, much more so than the Magnum. 3dr or 5dr hatchbacks often have rooflines that could be called 'fastbacks' to use the '60s vernacular. Some hatchbacks, though, like the Golf, Mazda3, Focus, etc have more vertical hatches, but have less rear bodywork than a wagon/estate.

Now a 3dr wagon (or shooting brake), is another animal all together.

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