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Drew Dowdell

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It's what you've been wanting, so go for it (as long as it's a good deal and not a money-pit).

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Well, personally I think the price is a little high for the condition and the fact that it's a diesel (less desirable to "normal" people).... I'm just putting it up here to get a consensus on a fair price.

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What I see as pluses and minuses ---

Pluses:

- beautiful car

- great condition

- respectable price

- you like it

Minuses:

- don't like dark colors and a landau/padded top which will invite rust at its edges

- is there a "canned program" to swap a 5.7L diesel to a 5.7L gasoline that you can avail yourself of? (I'm sure others have had to perform this "operation," with as many 78, 79 and 89 Olds and Cads I see on the road badged as diesels that don't make the diesel gargling/clattering sound)

You'll have to do your "weighted average," assigning your own weights to variables. Good luck!

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Oldsmoboi:

I would if it were not diesel. You would have to fix the diesel to get it right. I know people who fixed diesels and they were fine after they changed the parts.

I know you want a Toronado, but do not be anxious. I made that mistake with the red and yellow ones I had. I waited for the black one ands I am very content. I sent the links for some on sale a few weeks ago.

Here are some You Tube Videos for you to think about:

1981 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight diesel:

1982 Oldsmobile Toronado diesel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS0D9aTYzv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3loxfU0kQ0...feature=related

1985 Oldsmobile Toronado without the diesel:

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holy crap, that 88 fired up and all i could think was okay... that car is big but he hid that 2500HD behind it well :lol:

how well do those motors handle bullydog enhancements? :scratchchin:

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What I see as pluses and minuses ---

Pluses:

- beautiful car

- great condition

- respectable price

- you like it

Minuses:

- don't like dark colors and a landau/padded top which will invite rust at its edges

- is there a "canned program" to swap a 5.7L diesel to a 5.7L gasoline that you can avail yourself of? (I'm sure others have had to perform this "operation," with as many 78, 79 and 89 Olds and Cads I see on the road badged as diesels that don't make the diesel gargling/clattering sound)

You'll have to do your "weighted average," assigning your own weights to variables. Good luck!

Well... part of the reason I am interested in this one is because of the diesel. The engine in this particular Toronado was replaced with a GM Goodwrench crate diesel that has the stronger head bolts. I would like to run bio-diesel through it. I'm not a speed freak. I just need to get it to 70mph and keep it there. I pretty much only want a black car. I don't mind the padded top.

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Well... part of the reason I am interested in this one is because of the diesel. The engine in this particular Toronado was replaced with a GM Goodwrench crate diesel that has the stronger head bolts. I would like to run bio-diesel through it. I'm not a speed freak. I just need to get it to 70mph and keep it there. I pretty much only want a black car. I don't mind the padded top.

You made a case for yourself just by what you said. Get that paint fixed. We were talking about cars like this in the other thread the other day.

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Man some good cars there. It is just two miles from where I work. I gotta go there sometime and see.

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Wait! You're near this Toronado Diesel?!

No the Orlando Classic Cars. My guess is WMJ may be close to the Toro diesel.

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Well... part of the reason I am interested in this one is because of the diesel. The engine in this particular Toronado was replaced with a GM Goodwrench crate diesel that has the stronger head bolts. I would like to run bio-diesel through it. I'm not a speed freak. I just need to get it to 70mph and keep it there. I pretty much only want a black car. I don't mind the padded top.

Sounds like a "green light" for you ... for me, it would have to be a light metallic color, no vinyl roof and the 5.0L Olds Rocket V8 or the infrequent 4.1L 4 bbl. V6 by Buick for Buick/Olds/Cad (which had some quirks, I've read). But this sounds like it could be a good fit for you. Still, if it's in perfect shape and looks/feels new once inside, you will probably be very satisfied with your purchase.

Yes, as whiteknight said, "leverage" the "oh, it's a diesel" factor and work the price down.

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I like it and like that it is a diesel. Love the color, love the condition.

If you need help getting the paintwork done I know a few really good guys who are really fair.

And if you want to do a WVO (Waste Veggie Oil) conversion, you could do that to. I know that you are a landlord...any of your tennants work in a fast food resteraunt?

Lots of VW TDI guys run WVO set ups, not that hard. Know lots of people who run it in big trucks also.

Chris

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And also glad to see your thinking of buying something that is not a "normal" car, just like GMCTG did with that big caddy.

Chris

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If you know someone locally who has experience with the Olds diesel engine, I see no reason in the world why you shouldn't. I'd offer 4 cash, and be prepared to give, say, 42.
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Go for it! Not my first choice for a semi-classic car, but if you like it go for it. She is in great shape!

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Those diesels scare me, and the price seems really high.

But if it's what you want...

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Those diesels scare me, and the price seems really high.

But if it's what you want...

Like most things GM, they cancel them once they perfect them. The replacement engines are suppose to be quite reliable.

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Like most things GM, they cancel them once they perfect them. The replacement engines are suppose to be quite reliable.

Yes, supposedly the Diesels after 1981 were fine. Beware the '78-'80s... of course, if it was a junk engine, it would not have made it to 2009 intact.

Parents' '81 Cutlass Supreme was a diesel... got it dirt cheap due to the Diesel in 1984... dad was a diesel mechanic, so it made sense... however, a few years later it blew the head gasket, even though it was an better engine. It was easier to swap in a gas engine... so it got a '78 Olds 350 4bbl out of a fullsize... car hauled ass after that, so I think it was actually a 403.

A biodiesel Toro would be pretty cool.

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Parents' '81 Cutlass Supreme was a diesel... got it dirt cheap due to the Diesel in 1984... dad was a diesel mechanic, so it made sense... however, a few years later it blew the head gasket

Credit the 22:1 (+/-) compression ratio. But then, the high compression ratio is part-and-parcel of the diesel engine, regardless of who makes it.

Echoing what was said earlier, I am sure you will have a mechanic who is familiar with GM cars and their range of offerings, including the diesels.

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Credit the 22:1 (+/-) compression ratio. But then, the high compression ratio is part-and-parcel of the diesel engine, regardless of who makes it.

GM did take into account the compression ratio, its just that it seems that too much gasoline engine DNA stayed in the gene pool... i.e., the gasoline engine's 10 bolt head pattern. The 1981-on engines offered completely tapped head bolts to help keep the heads on.

As I recall, the biggest problem with the early diesels were not the head gasket, but the bottom end... which failed in spectacular fashion... damage when you ran over your own crankshaft and put it in your fuel tank.

The 1981-on DX blocks were definitely beefier... seeing it apart in the garage and the 350(or 403) gas engine before it was put in. As I recall, the DX blocks were converted to gas and used by engine builders during the '80s, bored out beyond 455 inches.

Of course, even before the DX in the Cutty blew its gasket, it was clear that driving a diesel car was not the same as a gas engine... and I imagine even good diesel engines got ripped out in favor of gas engines to favor driveability... especially as gas prices stayed low(ish).

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