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So Let me Get this Straight.. LAPD, with Taxpayer Money, Chose BMW i3 over U.S. Built Volt and Cmax?

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The Los Angeles Police Department now has 100 BMW i3s on the streets in the City of Angels.

The police department began field tests in September 2015. The i3 was tested alongside other EVs but the LAPD ultimately accepted BMW’s bid.

The Los Angeles Times reported that the LAPD also tested a Tesla Model S P90D, the vehicle’s top-end performance variant. 

The i3s will be leased for three years for $387 per month each, a BMW spokesman said.

 

 

 

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I think a lot of ignorant people(tax payers) just see that they bought small electric cars. They're too stupid to think, "those should be Ford or GM made, not Germany's BMW." 

 

Also, that's fckn outrageous to pay for...because:

 

I just went to Chevy's site and a "bone stock" Volt's lease is $310, 36 month, 15,000miles/year. which those all electric bastards probably won't be able to touch 15,000 miles in a year when they're charging the whole time. 

 

Throw in an order of 100 Volts and I would have to believe they could bring that below $300/month.  That right there would save the tax payers $8,700/month X 36 months = $313,200. 

 

STUPID. 

 

Also, why are they paying so damn much when there are lease options on BMW's site for way less? And/Or they mention nothing of mileage on BMW's site.. 

http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/special-offers

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

 

I assume the LAPD will be putting a lot more miles on them than allowed for $199 a month. 

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

 

I assume the LAPD will be putting a lot more miles on them than allowed for $199 a month. 

 

Gonna be interesting to see how they chase the bag guys with the limited range. I figure they will bring in the petro powered to take over.

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

 

I assume the LAPD will be putting a lot more miles on them than allowed for $199 a month. 

 

Gonna be interesting to see how they chase the bag guys with the limited range. I figure they will bring in the petro powered to take over.

 

 

These aren't going to be for chases.

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

 

I assume the LAPD will be putting a lot more miles on them than allowed for $199 a month. 

 

Gonna be interesting to see how they chase the bag guys with the limited range. I figure they will bring in the petro powered to take over.

 

 

These aren't going to be for chases.

 

 

The i3s will be part of LAPD's non-emergency vehicle fleet, meaning they'll be used for "transportation vehicles for officers and in community outreach initiatives," according to BMW in a press release. I'm betting the i3 is slightly more practical than a Volt.

 

Also, I don't think LAPD is being taken to the cleaners. Buying a group of vehicles for a fleet is a much different and expensive than you or I going into a dealership. I doubt that someone is offering $199 lease to fleet customers. 

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Yes and for a far cheaper cost they could have had VOLTS. THis is just more of the same BS Stupidity of the politicians. Here in washington state, the WSP (Washington State Patrol) said they were up against a deadline and so got an exemption from going out for competitive bid and spent millions buying BMW motorcycles for their patrol men who are only on the highways and in a state where most of the time with rain makes no sense to have a motorcycle. As it is, they replaced bikes that were fine and still had years left in service and most of these bikes sat due to weather.

 

This stinks of stupid deal making and no allot of common sense. Just trying to say they are greener. Also, why $387 when you can lease them 3 years here in washington with the same full service for $199. Seems the idiots got taken to the cleaners.

 

I assume the LAPD will be putting a lot more miles on them than allowed for $199 a month. 

 

Gonna be interesting to see how they chase the bag guys with the limited range. I figure they will bring in the petro powered to take over.

 

 

These aren't going to be for chases.

 

 

The i3s will be part of LAPD's non-emergency vehicle fleet, meaning they'll be used for "transportation vehicles for officers and in community outreach initiatives," according to BMW in a press release. I'm betting the i3 is slightly more practical than a Volt.

 

Also, I don't think LAPD is being taken to the cleaners. Buying a group of vehicles for a fleet is a much different and expensive than you or I going into a dealership. I doubt that someone is offering $199 lease to fleet customers. 

 

But as I posted here, other states have negotiated deals with the auto companies including GM so WSP here is getting Volts Dirt cheap and supporting an american company over a german one.

 

http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/86754-ev-group-buying-is-it-the-right-thing-to-do-from-a-state-federal-level/

 

I realize that this is a $13,932 cost per i3 for 3 years compared to the $33,859 purchase price before rebate on the VOLT, but still I see the VOLT as a far better option for the purpose you have stated than the i3.

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I have driven the i3, they are torquey and have good jump off the line, for city driving they are plenty quick. Because of the squared shape and no ICE they have a lot of room in them too.

Compared to a Volt the i3 has more electric range and more cargo space. The Bolt isntt on sale yet. A better comparison might be the Leaf or Kia Soul EV, since they are pure EV with a hatch back.

Maybe after testing they determined the i3 the best electric car.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

Totally agree with you smk, I see so many wasted auto's in comparison to what the police really use it for plus the waste of gas by letting the officers drive them home and back. Must be nice to be able to not have to drive your own auto and let the commute come out of the tax payers pockets.

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I have driven the i3, they are torquey and have good jump off the line, for city driving they are plenty quick. Because of the squared shape and no ICE they have a lot of room in them too.

Compared to a Volt the i3 has more electric range and more cargo space. The Bolt isntt on sale yet. A better comparison might be the Leaf or Kia Soul EV, since they are pure EV with a hatch back.

Maybe after testing they determined the i3 the best electric car.

The volt has the advantage of running on gas when the juice runs out though, unlike the electric only i3.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

So they are fine for them picking the i3 because it has more room than a Volt but can't see why they'd pick an Explorer over an Escape?

I'm just going to let you think about the fallacy of your argument before commenting further.

One last thing. The fleet Explorers are nowhere close to $40K. They start at $31K.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/edms/price-lists/?group=PriceList

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Community Outreach? That can be done on bicycles!!l

 

Unlike an EV you have unlimited range....and these are for primarily city use, will be beaten up.

 

So plenty of CF body repairs that will be expensive too.

 

If they wanted community outreach, they should've picked an American Hybrid sedan or Volt for far less. And if they need space, get the goddamn Pacifica Minivan Hybrid. Sure it might cost a fair bit more, but you get the utility you want too.  

 

The i3's back seat is as spacious as at back seat of a sports sedan, its only virtue being some decent headroom. 

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I have driven the i3, they are torquey and have good jump off the line, for city driving they are plenty quick. Because of the squared shape and no ICE they have a lot of room in them too.

Compared to a Volt the i3 has more electric range and more cargo space. The Bolt isntt on sale yet. A better comparison might be the Leaf or Kia Soul EV, since they are pure EV with a hatch back.

Maybe after testing they determined the i3 the best electric car.

The volt has the advantage of running on gas when the juice runs out though, unlike the electric only i3.

 

And if they bought a Ford Focus hatchback Police package (if one existed) they could run it on gas, it would cost under $25,000 and have more cargo and passenger volume than a Volt.  I think the LA PD wanted pure electric, the Volt is still a gas powered car.

 

If we are going to call the i3 a waste of money, I am all for that.  Look at most European police cars, they have Opel/Vauxhall Astra hatchbacks, Puegot Hatchback, Ford Mondoe (Fusion) sedans, and they function just fine.  

 

The only reason the police departments have Taurus, Explorer, V8 Chargers, and Caprice to a lesser degree, is the car makers only want to make police cars out of larger higher margin vehicles, and the police companies are using tax payer money so they don't care what it costs.   Plus if you took away fleet sales, these large sedans like Taurus, Charger, etc would really be in the dump, because the retail market is drying up fast for large sedans.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

So they are fine for them picking the i3 because it has more room than a Volt but can't see why they'd pick an Explorer over an Escape?

I'm just going to let you think about the fallacy of your argument before commenting further.

One last thing. The fleet Explorers are nowhere close to $40K. They start at $31K.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/edms/price-lists/?group=PriceList

 

The Volt doesn't have much space at all.  An Escape would have as much room in it as an i3, thus enough room for a police vehicle.   I don't think they need more room than what an Escape offers.

 

The Police interceptor Explorer might start at $31k but they are all tacking options on, the ecoboost motor alone is $3,100 if they add that.  Maybe they are $35k average, but an Escape would be $10k less probably.

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I have driven the i3, they are torquey and have good jump off the line, for city driving they are plenty quick. Because of the squared shape and no ICE they have a lot of room in them too.

Compared to a Volt the i3 has more electric range and more cargo space. The Bolt isntt on sale yet. A better comparison might be the Leaf or Kia Soul EV, since they are pure EV with a hatch back.

Maybe after testing they determined the i3 the best electric car.

The volt has the advantage of running on gas when the juice runs out though, unlike the electric only i3.

 

And if they bought a Ford Focus hatchback Police package (if one existed) they could run it on gas, it would cost under $25,000 and have more cargo and passenger volume than a Volt.  I think the LA PD wanted pure electric, the Volt is still a gas powered car.

 

If we are going to call the i3 a waste of money, I am all for that.  Look at most European police cars, they have Opel/Vauxhall Astra hatchbacks, Puegot Hatchback, Ford Mondoe (Fusion) sedans, and they function just fine.  

 

The only reason the police departments have Taurus, Explorer, V8 Chargers, and Caprice to a lesser degree, is the car makers only want to make police cars out of larger higher margin vehicles, and the police companies are using tax payer money so they don't care what it costs.   Plus if you took away fleet sales, these large sedans like Taurus, Charger, etc would really be in the dump, because the retail market is drying up fast for large sedans.

 

Again, so many wrongs with your post. All of those cars are used for obvious reasons, that you completely sidestep here. They are large passenger vehicles. DUH!

 

BTW, fleet sales have jack$h! to do with the conversation at hand. Besides, that same logic could be applied to a certain Mercedes van, which is very fleet sale dependent. 

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

So they are fine for them picking the i3 because it has more room than a Volt but can't see why they'd pick an Explorer over an Escape?

I'm just going to let you think about the fallacy of your argument before commenting further.

One last thing. The fleet Explorers are nowhere close to $40K. They start at $31K.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/edms/price-lists/?group=PriceList

 

The Volt doesn't have much space at all.  An Escape would have as much room in it as an i3, thus enough room for a police vehicle.   I don't think they need more room than what an Escape offers.

 

The Police interceptor Explorer might start at $31k but they are all tacking options on, the ecoboost motor alone is $3,100 if they add that.  Maybe they are $35k average, but an Escape would be $10k less probably.

 

Did you actually click on the link? Obviously not or else you would have SEEN that the Escape is only $4K cheaper than the much larger Explorer. Let me break it down for you, since you clearly did not do your homework here.

Ford Escape 

 

Good grief man. Check your damn facts next time before replying. Again, the purpose for choosing the Explorer over the Escape is obvious. They are LARGER, which means it can haul more gear. Again, DUH!

 

I would down vote your post ten times if I could. 

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

 

 

Compared to an Escape the Explorer has more range and more cargo space.
 
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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

 

 

Compared to an Escape the Explorer has more range and more cargo space.

Exactly. He can't get the math right on it either.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

So they are fine for them picking the i3 because it has more room than a Volt but can't see why they'd pick an Explorer over an Escape?

I'm just going to let you think about the fallacy of your argument before commenting further.

One last thing. The fleet Explorers are nowhere close to $40K. They start at $31K.http://www.fleet.ford.com/edms/price-lists/?group=PriceList

The Volt doesn't have much space at all.  An Escape would have as much room in it as an i3, thus enough room for a police vehicle.   I don't think they need more room than what an Escape offers.

 

The Police interceptor Explorer might start at $31k but they are all tacking options on, the ecoboost motor alone is $3,100 if they add that.  Maybe they are $35k average, but an Escape would be $10k less probably.

Did you actually click on the link? Obviously not or else you would have SEEN that the Escape is only $4K cheaper than the much larger Explorer. Let me break it down for you, since you clearly did not do your homework here.

Ford Escape 

2016MY Escape PL640 Price List.pdf 05/02/2016 27k

2017MY Escape PL725 Price List.pdf 04/14/2016 25k

2015MY Escape PL525 Price List.pdf 12/01/2014 29k

 

Ford Explorer

2016MY Explorer PL650 Price list.pdf 05/03/2016 31k

2017MY Explorer PL725 Price List.pdf 04/29/2016 30k 

2015MY Explorer PL525 Price list.pdf 10/01/2014 33k

 

Good grief man. Check your damn facts next time before replying. Again, the purpose for choosing the Explorer over the Escape is obvious. They are LARGER, which means it can haul more gear. Again, DUH!

 

I would down vote your post ten times if I could.

But they aren't buying an Explorer they are buying a Police Interceptor Utility according to the Ford price list. Which is $31k base before light bars, cages in back, ecoboost at $3100, etc.

Considering the Escape is 2 classes below Explorer there has to be at least a $5k difference in price, and I did read the Police Utility price list. Plus the Escape would use less gas.

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I think a lot of police departments spend more than they need to on police cars. I see tons of Explorer police cars, those have to be $40k easily, when an Escape for $28k would do the same thing.

So they are fine for them picking the i3 because it has more room than a Volt but can't see why they'd pick an Explorer over an Escape?I'm just going to let you think about the fallacy of your argument before commenting further.One last thing. The fleet Explorers are nowhere close to $40K. They start at $31K.http://www.fleet.ford.com/edms/price-lists/?group=PriceList
The Volt doesn't have much space at all. An Escape would have as much room in it as an i3, thus enough room for a police vehicle. I don't think they need more room than what an Escape offers. The Police interceptor Explorer might start at $31k but they are all tacking options on, the ecoboost motor alone is $3,100 if they add that. Maybe they are $35k average, but an Escape would be $10k less probably.
Did you actually click on the link? Obviously not or else you would have SEEN that the Escape is only $4K cheaper than the much larger Explorer. Let me break it down for you, since you clearly did not do your homework here.Ford Escape 2016MY Escape PL640 Price List.pdf 05/02/2016 27k 2017MY Escape PL725 Price List.pdf 04/14/2016 25k 2015MY Escape PL525 Price List.pdf 12/01/2014 29k Ford Explorer2016MY Explorer PL650 Price list.pdf 05/03/2016 31k 2017MY Explorer PL725 Price List.pdf 04/29/2016 30k 2015MY Explorer PL525 Price list.pdf 10/01/2014 33k Good grief man. Check your damn facts next time before replying. Again, the purpose for choosing the Explorer over the Escape is obvious. They are LARGER, which means it can haul more gear. Again, DUH! I would down vote your post ten times if I could.
But they aren't buying an Explorer they are buying a Police Interceptor Utility according to the Ford price list. Which is $31k base before light bars, cages in back, ecoboost at $3100, etc. Considering the Escape is 2 classes below Explorer there has to be at least a $5k difference in price, and I did read the Police Utility price list. Plus the Escape would use less gas.
BS. You don't get to move the damn bar here. You first said there was a $10K price difference, which clearly there was not and then you willfully ignore the number one reason for choosing the Explorer in the first place, SIZE. Much like your explanation why they chose the i3, the same is applied here (best choice for the job required) so why you want to ignore that simple little fact is beyond me.

Btw, all that packaging you mention would apply to the Escape as well. Again, only a $4K difference, not $10K. You just need to admit to your error and your ignorance on this one SMK.

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But then figure in the longer range with the explorer and the larger size does that 5K price difference still save on achieving what they think they need?

 

I do not know but just asking the question. Clearly the smaller auto can save money and at least to me save the department funds as I am sure it will service the police just fine, but then they all have their own agenda for getting the most toys for tax payer supplied dollars. After all who are they to actually be fiscally responsible since they are not footing the bill.

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