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Fusion Sport vs MKZ 3.0T, both with 3 season tires

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So, Car and driver tested both of these this week. 

Fusion Sport

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-ford-fusion-sport-with-summer-tires-tested-review

MKZ 3.0T AWD

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-lincoln-mkz-30t-awd-test-review

 

The Lincoln was basically 18k more expensive. 

The MKZ was roughly 200 pounds heavier, but even with that it seems the acceleration differences should be more 3 or 4 tenths of the Fusion with it's 75 less HP.  The Lincoln did pull slightly higher G on the skidpad (.93 vs .89), but took an extra foot to stop from 70. 


Honestly, i like the MKZ some better and would pay a few grand premium over the Fusion, but not anywhere near an 18k premium.  Thoughts?

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The $18k is primarily in the interior materials.  The Fusion sport doesn't feel all that different from a regular old base fusion on the inside.  If your only goal is speed, then go with the Fusion Sport... but if you actually want some luxury materials in your over $33k car, then go with the MKZ.

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I still think 18k is a bit much for better interior materials.  THat said, I could see maybe a 10k difference.  Also, any idea where the extra 200 pounds is coming from?  kinda surprised me especially after seeing the Fusion 2.7 has an iron block and a lighter aluminum block on the Lincoln 3.0t. 

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25 minutes ago, Stew said:

I still think 18k is a bit much for better interior materials.  THat said, I could see maybe a 10k difference.  Also, any idea where the extra 200 pounds is coming from?  kinda surprised me especially after seeing the Fusion 2.7 has an iron block and a lighter aluminum block on the Lincoln 3.0t. 

Better sound deadening... better leathers... better carpet.  It does start to add up. 

As for the $18k, it all depends on where you're coming from.  If Lincoln wants to coax peoples' ES350s out of their cold dead hands, then they need the interior materials do to it.   Though I find the interior of the ES so bad these days that even a Fusion Platinum could do it if those same people would get over the badge. 

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5 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

Better materials?

There is much more than that.

Over a Fusion Sport? What else would add to the cost besides interior materials and engine block metal type? They both use a CCD suspension, same AWD system (I see nothing about the MKZ getting the twinster). 

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26 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Over a Fusion Sport? What else would add to the cost besides interior materials and engine block metal type? They both use a CCD suspension, same AWD system (I see nothing about the MKZ getting the twinster). 

Drew, 

the difference between base MSRP Sport AWD and MKZ 3LT AWD is exactly $10K.  That money gets you a much different car. warranty, power, dealership experience, and yes material quality, sound deadening, etc.

 

Any differences past that depends on what is added, but clearly you must know that technology packages, big moon roofs, etc. all add great cost. That's not a Lincoln thing either.  

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8 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ah that makes sense. I didn't look at the two cars to look at an apples to apples comparison. $10k is a much more reasonable difference.

+1 (because I used all of mine up)

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Fusion Platinum or Fusion Sport for me.

For a Lincoln sedan...Id really spend the money on a much more refined Lincoln ride, the Continental.

And Id have the real Continental fascia rather than the make-shift one on the MKZ...

The Fusion fascia is pretty and high end looking enough for my tastes...there is no need to spend the extra cash on the MKZ. The interior material differences...irrelevant for me.

Like I said, the Continental is where Id look for the high end interior...

Kinda like the 2015 Chevy Impala versus the 2015 Buick Lacrosse...Id rather the Impala then over the Lacrosse.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Fusion Platinum or Fusion Sport for me.

For a Lincoln sedan...Id really spend the money on a much more refined Lincoln ride, the Continental.

And Id have the real Continental fascia rather than the make-shift one on the MKZ...

The Fusion fascia is pretty and high end looking enough for my tastes...there is no need to spend the extra cash on the MKZ. The interior material differences...irrelevant for me.

Like I said, the Continental is where Id look for the high end interior...

Kinda like the 2015 Chevy Impala versus the 2015 Buick Lacrosse...Id rather the Impala then over the Lacrosse.

 

 

 

I would also take the Impala.  It is a much more athletic looking car.

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13 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

Drew, 

the difference between base MSRP Sport AWD and MKZ 3LT AWD is exactly $10K.  That money gets you a much different car. warranty, power, dealership experience, and yes material quality, sound deadening, etc.

 

Any differences past that depends on what is added, but clearly you must know that technology packages, big moon roofs, etc. all add great cost. That's not a Lincoln thing either.  

As much as it pains me to have to agree with you and as much as I am not a Lincoln fan, I really  will agree here. For what it is, they did a really nice job with the MKZ  in terms of material quality and features.

Still would buy an IS 200 or IS 350 over the Lincoln, but I will give them credit where credit is due.

And while I would probably buy an Acura product over a Lincoln for handling and other things I like, the Lincoln product Lineup does a much better job than Acura at feeling upscale and being pleasant to live with.

So I will pick Lincoln out of the two choices...now leaving my word processor to wash my mouth out with soap after saying that but yes, I would take the Lincoln!

3 minutes ago, ykX said:

Lincoln looks very awkward to me.  Not fun of the design language at all.

There are a lot of things about the Lincoln lineup I do not like at all. See my above comment about Lexus.

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I think those prices were comparing loaded to loaded.  Ok, looking at both sites, there is roughly a 9600 dollar difference between the MKZ select 500A (cheapest with the 3.0TT/AWD).  That does not include enhanced safety features, moonroof, or adaptive cruise on either.  The basic features seem pretty comparable.    I suppose the major differences are more power, better materials, and doesn't the MKZ get the RS torque vectoring rear diff?  I see major discounts on the MKZ in the near future. 

 

I also think the front fascia looks pretty tacked on on the MKZ, the 13-16 one seemed more integrated. 

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5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like the Lincoln more. 

I am kind of torn.  i like the sportiness of the Fusion, but I also like the Elegance of the Lincoln.  Hmmmmm.  now jumping up to the reserve and adding the spot package to the MKZ, then of course you are 50k in and still missing he sunroof and safety options, but still.  Also realizing that is what it takes o get the sportier suspension and torque vectoring. 

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i just noticed something in the C&D article that really irks me about the sport package lincoln.  if you are going to bother with direction wheels, you really need to have different ones for each side so one side isn't going BACKWARDS!  I hate that and it is a big pet peeve with more than just this car. 

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19 minutes ago, Stew said:

I am kind of torn.  i like the sportiness of the Fusion, but I also like the Elegance of the Lincoln.  Hmmmmm.  now jumping up to the reserve and adding the spot package to the MKZ, then of course you are 50k in and still missing he sunroof and safety options, but still.  Also realizing that is what it takes o get the sportier suspension and torque vectoring. 

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I"m not a sporty kinda guy.  I like my posh leather chair, I like my quiet, I prefer stately elegance, but when I want to go somewhere, I want to get there fast.  Grace, Space, Pace.

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5 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I"m not a sporty kinda guy.  I like my posh leather chair, I like my quiet, I prefer stately elegance, but when I want to go somewhere, I want to get there fast.  Grace, Space, Pace.

I certainly understand that.  Something else, i hope the next en MKZ gets and interior more akin to the Continentals.  I am honestly liking that car more and more. 

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30 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I"m not a sporty kinda guy.  I like my posh leather chair, I like my quiet, I prefer stately elegance, but when I want to go somewhere, I want to get there fast.  Grace, Space, Pace.

I am getting less sporty as I get older. maybe I am an idiot (no maybe about that in many peoples minds) but i am not sure why all car makers seem to want to sell upscale sedans as "Sport Sedans?"

Certainly even a base WRX or a stripper GTI S is more sporty than most sport sedans in terms of driving dynamics and overall feel. At least in my mind.

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1 hour ago, Stew said:

i just noticed something in the C&D article that really irks me about the sport package lincoln.  if you are going to bother with direction wheels, you really need to have different ones for each side so one side isn't going BACKWARDS!  I hate that and it is a big pet peeve with more than just this car. 

You're overlooking a huge problem with that: when you rotate the tires, you'll end up with two different wheels on one side of the car. THAT would look ridiculous.

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6 minutes ago, cp-the-nerd said:

You're overlooking a huge problem with that: when you rotate the tires, you'll end up with two different wheels on one side of the car. THAT would look ridiculous.

True, but i think they shouldn't do them at all if they aren't going to make them match.  just a pet peeve i guess.  Oddly enough Ford was making correctly orientated wheels on each side back in 93 with the Cobra and Thunderbirds, no idea what happened. 

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3 minutes ago, Stew said:

True, but i think they shouldn't do them at all if they aren't going to make them match.  just a pet peeve i guess.  Oddly enough Ford was making correctly orientated wheels on each side back in 93 with the Cobra and Thunderbirds, no idea what happened. 


It's different with cars like the Cobra that have different size rears vs fronts, tire rotations aren't the same.

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