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16 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Yes, but neither is RWD 'anything special'. Aren't most of those also AWD??
Besides, the entire reason the XT5 is even in this thread is a suggestion this engine go in the XT5, but it 'can't' because it's FWD... when most are AWD, just like the CT6 V-Sport is going to be. Swap the subframe out & shoehorn a longitudinal V8 in (provided that's what Cadillac wants to).

If rear drive is nothing special, then build the CT6 on an Impala chassis, make a 3.6 liter 310 hp V6 the range topper and call it a day.  

The XT5 being priced below the CTS would be like Chevy pricing the Equinox below the Cruze.  Same size class, similar under pinnings, but they jack the price of the Equinox up because it is a crossover.  Cadillac does the opposite and makes the crossover cheaper than the sedan. L

20 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Shockingly effective transformation of the CT6.  Fine looking engine, nice stats.  Good looking, authoritative front end.  Interior looks top notch.  Don't like the taillight morph.  Needs to remain fully vertical.

Agree on the tail lights, they look like the designer sneezed when drawing it, should be straight vertical like classic Cadillac tail lights, what then went for looks like it game of a Nissan or something where there is an angle just for the sake of having an angle.

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37 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Shockingly effective transformation of the CT6.  Fine looking engine, nice stats.  Good looking, authoritative front end.  Interior looks top notch.  Don't like the taillight morph.  Needs to remain fully vertical.

I would say exactly that about the new CT-6. 

But knowing me. It be about 1000 words long. So I will spare you folk the unnecessary wastage of words and space.

So...what Blu said! 

 

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14 hours ago, smk4565 said:

They can develop a rear drive platform to sell 15-20,000 CT6 per year globally but can’t develop a rear drive crossover platform that could be used on XT4 and XT5 and sell 200,000 units per year?  Fuzzy math.

That's GM. I assume future Cadillac crossovers will use the generic platforms Chevy, GMC and Buick use for their crossovers...Cadillac should have a dedicated RWD-based platform for its CUVs, and leave the commodity FWD crud to Chevy, GMC, and Buick.

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Only issue I have is the tailights.  I do not like them.  LOVE the Cocoa seats and really like just about everything else.  I wonder how soon the new CT6 interiors will spread to a new XT7 and MCE XT5.  The CT6 new cruise control is a really sweet feature.

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I love the look of the V.....kinda mean looking.

 

Just like alot about this car right now....

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Love the Brown warm interior and over all the whole auto is just spot on for an update. My only dislike is what a number of fellow members have stated. The rear tail lights are just WRONG! :nono:

My only other beef is that for the touch screen, yea a 1080P screen is an update, but in today's day of tech, why did they not go with a true high end screen like what Apple or Samsung have put into their tablets or smartphones.

They should have gone beyond what everyone else has rather than just equalling them. Lead, do not follow the tech.

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It is a vast improvement.  I like the front end better and the back is using the Escala themes.  I was reading about the car on another site. Someone said is the CT6 with a V8 a CT8?  Hmmmm... The rear was influenced by Cadillac Eldorado.  Now.. if they would fix that window design in the c pillar and put the quarter windows on the rear doors where they belong, we would have real winner. 

 

A quote from the auto extremist:

 

 Editor-in-Chief's Note: World renowned? Please. GM Racing decided to brand its IMSA DPi cars as Cadillacs for political reasons, there is nothing "world-renowned" about it. It was a decision of convenience, at best. And by the way, this will not be an exclusive "Cadillac" engine as some reports are suggesting. Look for it to show up in the next-generation, mid-engine C8 Corvette in 5.5-liter configuration, and in a super high-end Escalade. Wait, what? Yes, you read it here first. You don't think GM is going to spend the kind of cash necessary to develop this engine for what will amount to be less than 2,000 CT6 V-Sport sedans a year, do you? (If that.) The Cadillac release goes on, and on, and on, so if you want to find out more about this car - and the rest of the "refreshed" CT6 lineup - I'm sure you won't have to look very hard. We, on the other hand, don't care. Why? This week, Cadillac is the company with the genuine performance legacy, which is truly unmitigated bullshit. Next week, at the New York Auto Show, Cadillac will be all about how it's an SUV company with its new XT4 compact SUV. And the week after that Cadillac will return to its regularly scheduled programming as an "occasional" luxury automaker that exists for the Chinese market only. And so it goes. -PMD

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• You meant Escala, not Eldorado.

• How is where the quarter window is located make the design 'need fixing'? I can't find that to remotely be an issue.

• Update to the car looks great IMO, tho I'm not a huge fan of the blacked out grille- I'd like to see it in person but generally speaking, such always feels cheaper to me. Cadillac has near a century of history with bright grillework.

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And MB vs Caddi bickering goes on ... :)

Love how it looks, interior looks great too.

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• You meant Escala, not Eldorado.

 

I meant Eldorado which the Escala borrowed from.  It looks like the Escala in the rear. The tail lamp design also looks like a previous generation Honda Accord too. 

• How is where the quarter window is located make the design 'need fixing'? I can't find that to remotely be an issue.

I am so sick and tired of every car using that tired Audi and Impala six window design. Name one car that does not use that look today. It looks worse on the Malibu and the KIA's. Most mid sized/ largeer sedans have it. Cadillac needs to do do something Cadillac or something different.  The Continental does not use it.  It looks disjointed on most cars. It looks like an after thought.  Put the quarter window on the rear doors where then belong. The end. 

• Update to the car looks great IMO, tho I'm not a huge fan of the blacked out grille- I'd like to see it in person but generally speaking, such always feels cheaper to me. Cadillac has near a century of history with bright grillework.

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42 minutes ago, balthazar said:

• You meant Escala, not Eldorado.

• How is where the quarter window is located make the design 'need fixing'? I can't find that to remotely be an issue.

• Update to the car looks great IMO, tho I'm not a huge fan of the blacked out grille- I'd like to see it in person but generally speaking, such always feels cheaper to me. Cadillac has near a century of history with bright grillework.

The 6 window greenhouse with the quarter window in the C-pillar is the easiest way at a glance to distinguish a CT6 from a CTS in profile. 

V-series models usually have blacked out grilles.    Makes sense for the V-Sport trim.  I'm sure the regular CT6 will have a bright grille. 

1 minute ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

 


• How is where the quarter window is located make the design 'need fixing'? I can't find that to remotely be an issue.

I am so sick and tired of every car using that tired Audi and Impala six window design. Name one car that does not use that look today. It looks worse on the Malibu and the KIA's. Most mid sized sedans have it. Cadillac needs to do do something Cadillac or something different.  The Continental does not use it.  It looks disjointed on most cars. It looks like an after thought.  Put the quarter window on the rear doors where then belong. The end. 
 

The 6 window greenhouse with the quarter window in the C-pillar is the easiest way at a glance to distinguish a CT6 from a CTS in profile.   Cadillac has done 6 window greenhouses before; in the 50s and early 60s, so it's not unprecedented.  It's simplistic and conformist to say the quarter window 'belongs' on the rear door. 

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40 minutes ago, ykX said:

And MB vs Caddi bickering goes on ... :)

Love how it looks, interior looks great too.

Always will as long as their is a fanboy of each in the room. :deathwatch:

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Always will as long as their is a fanboy of each in the room. :deathwatch:

Considering M-B is generally perceived as the world standard of the luxury market, comparisons will be inevitable..

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The only thing I don't like is the taillights. They look awkward to me. I like the current gen's better. 

That being said, it would never be the thing to stop me from buying it. Overall, it looks great. 

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The 6 window greenhouse with the quarter window in the C-pillar is the easiest way at a glance to distinguish a CT6 from a CTS in profile.

CTS is going away and being replaced by CT5 and looking at the CT5 spy photos, it does not have the six window design thankfully. 

 

The 6 window greenhouse with the quarter window in the C-pillar is the easiest way at a glance to distinguish a CT6 from a CTS in profile.   Cadillac has done 6 window greenhouses before; in the 50s and early 60s, so it's not unprecedented.  It's simplistic and conformist to say the quarter window 'belongs' on the rear door. 

I had no problem with the six window design from the past. The one on the 1963  Oldsmobile Ninety Eight  and the 1975 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight do not bother me. As you know I own a 1995 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight. They flow with the look of the car. My issue is it does not flow or blend in with the styling.  It looks like an after thought. Holden did it right with the Caprice and Statesman.   It is just a personal opinion.  I think the other updates are great too. 

 

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Tho this is far from a point of contention for me, if I think about it my impression is that a 4-dr with quarter windows IN the rear door is a compromise- as they never open (used to 50 years ago), they are ONLY there to facilitate the lowering of the rear glass all the way. Not that it looks bad, I simply don't care to see that engineering compromise:

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See what I mean; go back 10 years and the engineers 'got it done' :

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Of course- a lot of that has to do with a huge wheelbase. :D

I like the CT6 6-window look, I think on this car at least it looks more upscale.

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I truly wish the XT5 and other upcoming Cadillac crossovers where based on their sedans Alpha platform with a base RWD configuration. They could have had true performance versions of these crossovers as well as their great sedans. This new V8 is much needed by Cadillac and here is hoping it will come in the next CTS/CT5 or what ever silly naming scheme they call it in a non V or V sport version!

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3 minutes ago, Carguy said:

I truly wish the XT5 and other upcoming Cadillac crossovers where based on their sedans Alpha platform with a base RWD configuration. They could have had true performance versions of these crossovers as well as their great sedans. This new V8 is much needed by Cadillac and here is hoping it will come in the next CTS/CT5 or what ever silly naming scheme they call it in a non V or V sport version!

The question you have to ask yourself is this: "What advantage does a RWD platform bring to the XT5?"

Will it sell better? Probably not, it already sells better than RWD entries from other manufacturers.

99% of People don't by crossovers, RWD or otherwise, for performance.  The Explorer outsells the Grand Cherokee. The RX outsells the GLC. The Highlander outsells the 4Runner.  The Atlas will vastly outsell the Toureg.  The QX60 vastly outsells the QX70.

If we were talking about coupe or sedans with a performance interest, the RWD may matter... but most people who buy crossovers just check the AWD box on the order form and go about their day without a second thought.  People certainly aren't choosing a GLC over an RX because of RWD.

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22 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The question you have to ask yourself is this: "What advantage does a RWD platform bring to the XT5?"

Brand image. 

They can get away from the "re-badged Chevy" stigma. 

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Just now, ccap41 said:

Brand image. 

They can get away from the "re-badged Chevy" stigma. 

 

Cadillac is in the business of making money. With the XT5, they are probably printing it since it's just an Acadia with different styling. So I ask again, do you see a switch to RWD as something that would push the XT5 to sell better than the RX?   Would moving to RWD increase sales enough to make up for the lost profits of a more expensive (due to lower volume) platform? Does a move to RWD satisfy anyone other than enthusiasts who aren't buying in the segment anyway?

Explain the business case, in dollars, as to why Cadillac should make such a move. 

Up until very recently, the XTS was routinely outselling the CTS and still outsells the CT6.   The enthusiasts keep pushing Cadillac to do go RWD, but the business case for that isn't clear.  Now, while I personally like the XTS, I can certainly see that it isn't the right product for Cadillac these days, but the XTS is probably the most profitable car line for the entire brand.  

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I think it is about more than one single vehicle though when talking about brand image. Those re-badged Chevys hurt the entire brand and hurt sales across the board. I don't think a RWD platform would improve sales for the one vehicle but I think it will help the entire brand separate itself from Chevy. 

If the entire general public viewed the brand, as a whole, more premium then sales for everything would go up because they don't make junk but there are definitely people who still think a CTS is a re-badged Impala. I've run into them. Having re-badged Chevys isn't helping their image. 

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43 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Brand image. 

They can get away from the "re-badged Chevy" stigma. 

Brand image?

Cant get away with the "re-badged" Chevy stigma?

Image result for Chevrolet Traverse

Image result for GMC Acadia

Image result for 2018 buick enclave

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Where is that stigma present in those 4 photographs?

You are barking up the wrong tree in all 4 of those segments...albeit the GMC, Buick and Cadillac are in the same market niche fighting for the same market dollars...but nothing says that they cannot co-exist. In fact...they MUST co-exist to ensure their respective brands get sales...

What you may want to say, is that Cadillac needs RWD sporty oriented CUVs and SUVs with V Series badging to ensure enthusiasts are well represented for the brand...

CUVs and SUVs to go up against these machines from BMW and Mercedes

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Image result for 2017 M-B GLE AMG SUV

 

24 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

there are definitely people who still think a CTS is a re-badged Impala. I've run into them. Having re-badged Chevys isn't helping their image. 

Because either you are trolling with this statement...

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"people who still think a CTS is a re-badged Impala"

 

 

 

because a CTS was NEVER an Impala based car....EVER...

never looked like the CTS could even BE an Impala.

Image result for impala 2002 Image result for 2002 Cadillac CTS

 

Image result for impala 2017Image result for 2017 Cadillac CTS

So...either these guys you bumped into are trolls...much like yourself, or just cant stand Cadillac and/or GM and NOTHING that Cadillac and/or GM will do will EVER change that. Because quite honestly, NOBODY is THAT moronic and clueless to confuse a CTS of any generation with that of an Impala of any generation.

Maybe if we went and compared a 1980s Caprice with a 1980s Fleetwood...but I doubt your entourage   were old enough to remember those cars...

 

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I think it is about more than one single vehicle though when talking about brand image. Those re-badged Chevys hurt the entire brand and hurt sales across the board. I don't think a RWD platform would improve sales for the one vehicle but I think it will help the entire brand separate itself from Chevy. 

If the entire general public viewed the brand, as a whole, more premium then sales for everything would go up because they don't make junk but there are definitely people who still think a CTS is a re-badged Impala. I've run into them. Having re-badged Chevys isn't helping their image. 

Actually, Cadillac doesn't have any rebadged Chevys, but does have platform sharing. The XTS shares a platform w/ the Impala, but isn't a rebadge.   Though Escalade shares the large SUV platform, it has significant differentiation from the Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon.    The XT5 has similar dirty bits to many Chevy, GMC, Buick FWD/AWD crossovers.  

The problem for the XT5 is a FWD/AWD transverse engine platform is generic and common; it's not the material of a proper luxury SUV, IMO...esp. compared to the serious RWD/AWD platforms used by BMW, M-B, etc.   It's ok for near-lux/entry-lux crossovers (NOT SUVs) from Acura, Buick, Lincoln, etc...but Cadillac should aspire to be more.   Though maybe I'm looking at this too much as an enthusiast rather than a generic lux-car leasing normcore resource unit. ;)

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19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I think it is about more than one single vehicle though when talking about brand image. Those re-badged Chevys hurt the entire brand and hurt sales across the board. I don't think a RWD platform would improve sales for the one vehicle but I think it will help the entire brand separate itself from Chevy. 

If the entire general public viewed the brand, as a whole, more premium then sales for everything would go up because they don't make junk but there are definitely people who still think a CTS is a re-badged Impala. I've run into them. Having re-badged Chevys isn't helping their image. 

A valid hypothesis. How has that helped Jaguar, Genesis, or Infiniti?  How has RWD helped Lexus? Their best sellers are still FWD and their worst sellers are RWD and consistently rank (undeservingly I might add) at the bottom of the sales charts for their segments. 

Infiniti in particular saw big sales increases when they started moving back to FWD platforms.

The bulk of Infiniti and Lexus brands sales hang on FWD vehicles.

Cadillac saw huge sales increases when they moved the SRX from RWD to FWD, and dropped the V8.

I'm thinking from a purely business perspective rather than an enthusiast perspective. How does Cadillac make more dollars by switching to RWD on a vehicle they already make a ton of money on?  How does a RWD XT5 translate to more CT5/S/6 sales?

3 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Actually, Cadillac doesn't have any rebadged Chevys, but does have platform sharing. The XTS shares a platform w/ the Impala, but isn't a rebadge.   Cadillac really doesn't have any rebadges of Chevy products--the Escalade shares the large SUV platform, but has significant differentiation from the Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon.    The XT5 has similar dirty bits to many Chevy, GMC, Buick FWD/AWD crossovers.  The problem is a FWD/AWD transverse engine platform is generic and common; it's not the material of a proper luxury SUV, IMO...esp. compared to the serious RWD/AWD platforms used by BMW, M-B, etc...

If we're going to get into "proper" materials on the XT5, the drivetrain is the least of that vehicle's worries.  Once you get away from the nice dashboard, the plastics and other materials are Chevy grade and not at all premium.  I much rather Cadillac spend the money there than on an all new RWD platform.

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