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53 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

No one wants color...my friends that sell cars tell me everyone wants grey, silver, black or white. Cars ordered in colors sit on the lot. 

While there are pros and cons to using paramagnetic paint, the biggest benefit is paint the car one color and then the dealer can change it to any color the customer wants. Yes early tech, but I believe it could really change the future of autos.

https://www.litcoat.com/paramagnetic-paint

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

No one wants color...my friends that sell cars tell me everyone wants grey, silver, black or white. Cars ordered in colors sit on the lot. 

I'm one of them. 

Outside of like a really dark red or brown and some blue.. I'm not a fan of brighter colors on cars.

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

I'm one of them. 

Outside of like a really dark red or brown and some blue.. I'm not a fan of brighter colors on cars.

 I am a fan on sporty, small or muscle cars....everything else prefer a bit more somber myself.

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26 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

 I am a fan on sporty, small or muscle cars....everything else prefer a bit more somber myself.

I love the Garnette Red on my SS and my White Diamond on my Escalade, though as posted, I would love a purple Escalade. :D 

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16 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I love the Garnette Red on my SS and my White Diamond on my Escalade, though as posted, I would love a purple Escalade. :D 

Purple also looks really good on the Chevrolet SSR.  Local collector had one....it was sharp....

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I wouldn't say no one likes colors.  Here is most of what we have had in the last 15 years:

  • Midnight Blue Saturn
  • Ruby Red Saturn
  • Granite Gray Saab
  • Mediterranean Blue Metallic Ford Flex (there may still be a picture of it on here somewhere - very cool teal color)
  • Redline Red Dodge
  • Jazz Blue Chrysler
  • Blue Ray Metallic Chevy
  • True Blue Chrysler
  • White Chrysler
  • Velvet Red Chrysler
  • Radiant Silver Metallic Cadillac

As you can see, it is mostly blues and reds.  Have never had any problem selling any of them because of the color either.  That being said, you sadly are correct that most people don't want colors.  My inlaws only buy white vehicles.  Doesn't matter what they get, it has to be white.  Never really understood it.  To me most white vehicles make me think rental or commercial vehicle unless it is a somewhat sporty car.

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19 hours ago, 2QuickZ's said:

I wouldn't say no one likes colors.  Here is most of what we have had in the last 15 years:

  • Midnight Blue Saturn
  • Ruby Red Saturn
  • Granite Gray Saab
  • Mediterranean Blue Metallic Ford Flex (there may still be a picture of it on here somewhere - very cool teal color)
  • Redline Red Dodge
  • Jazz Blue Chrysler
  • Blue Ray Metallic Chevy
  • True Blue Chrysler
  • White Chrysler
  • Velvet Red Chrysler
  • Radiant Silver Metallic Cadillac

As you can see, it is mostly blues and reds.  Have never had any problem selling any of them because of the color either.  That being said, you sadly are correct that most people don't want colors.  My inlaws only buy white vehicles.  Doesn't matter what they get, it has to be white.  Never really understood it.  To me most white vehicles make me think rental or commercial vehicle unless it is a somewhat sporty car.

That Mediterranean Blue was a fantastic color from Ford.

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  • 7 months later...

Update on the CTS:

Not much to update.  Everything has been working well.  I don't calculate out mpg on this car but going by the VIC it gets around 27 mpg in the summer and maybe 25.5 mpg in the colder months.  This is probably around 75% interstate but seeing as this is Michigan and we only have 2 seasons: winter and construction, it spends a fair amount of time stuck in traffic jams.  It has never been on a trip since we always take the wife's minivan and I a mileage limited on my lease.

The car is very enjoyable to drive, handles very well and the 2.0T is plenty powerful for this car.  It does have the occasional weird trans issue when the car is cold where it seems like it is slow to go into drive and then slams into second but that only happens occasionally and only once on a given drive.

While I never lived daily with the old CUE system, the times I tried it I hated it.  I can report it is vastly improved and actually works very well now.  Uconnect is still better but this isn't too far behind any more.  Even the capacitive touch buttons work on the first try now for the most part.  I do still have the occasional flaky ghost in the machine type problem but that is to be expected with pretty much all modern infotainment systems.

Still kind of wish I had bought a used V-Sport instead of leasing this 2.0T but outside of it not having the 3.6TT, I really don't have too many complaints.

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  • 6 months later...

Latest update:  All is still well with the car.  I really do like this car.  I still kind of wish I had just bought a used V-Sport but the 2.0T acquits itself well.  I will say if you are in the market for a nice used car, I'm not sure you could do much better than one of these.  You can get a 2-3 year old off lease car for half of MSRP and still under warranty or grab a certified one and have another 3-4 years of warranty (6 yr / 100k miles).

The biggest issue I have had with this car is the tires.  The stock Pirelli run flats are not fit for Michigan's carpet bombed roads.  I have already replaced one of them due to a bad sidewall blister and I now have two more that have smaller sidewall blisters.  I have lived in Michigan my whole life and in 30 years of car ownership I don't recall ever having a car get a blister in the sidewall before.  From doing a little online research it appears these P-Zero Nero's are known for that problem.  Due to Michigan's horrible roads I  should have done the wheel & tire insurance.  At $230 a pop it doesn't really pay to even replace the two bad ones I have now.  I'm better off just replacing all 4 tires with a "lesser" non run flat. 

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  • 2 months later...

Well, the stock Pirelli P-Zero Neros are finally gone.  I kept the two good ones so I can hopefully sell them to some poor sucker(s) that needs them for a lease return.  I was able to get a set of four tires installed with warranty for less than it would have cost me to replace the two Pirelli's with sidewall bubbles, one of which was bad and the other of which was very bad.

I always said I would not buy Chinese tires but I did it anyway.  My only excuse = Lease.  I will say even though they were very cheap, they had surprisingly good reviews.  They are Nankang NS-25's.  My impression after two days with them:  much quieter than the 24k mile Pirelli's that had started to get quite loud before 15K miles, seem to handle at least as well on dry pavement and due to the softer sidewalls of a non-run flat they also seem to take the bumps much better.  Only downside so far seems to be that they tramline much more.  First drive on the grooved cement interstate had the car squirming around following the grooves.  Not severe or concerning but definitely noticeable.  It will be interesting to see how they do in rain and snow.

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Nice car! 

Believe it or not- I have heard good things about those tires. Nankangs seem to have always been popular with the tuner crowd- but I have a few car friends with those too! They handle well, but the only downside is the tread life- but for the price it tends to work better....

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  • 11 months later...

Update on the Caddy - still cruising along and doing well.  No warranty work since the last report and no more tire issues once the Pirelli run flats were replaced with something different.  I still enjoy driving this car a lot.  The lease is up soon and if I can't get a good lease deal on its replacement (likely a GMC Canyon for the wife) then I may just buy out the lease and keep it a while longer.

Regarding the Nankang tires - After almost a year I am actually still pretty impressed with them.  Had I known for certain I was going to keep the car I would have more likely than not bought something better (I'm a fan of Continental tires) but that said, they really have been good tires.  They do well in the dry and the rain.  I didn't drive them much in the snow last winter but on the rare occasions I did, they did okay.  They actually seem to perform better than the factory Pirelli run flats.  Even after hitting more than a few big pot holes (thanks MDOT!), they have not gotten any sidewall bubbles or shown any signs of belt separation.  If you are on a tight budget, they are definitely worth giving a try.

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  • 2 months later...

Final update on the Caddy as the lease is up and after initially contemplating buying it, I decided to turn it in for something different.  Inventory is tight but I was able to swing a deal on something I wanted so I pulled the trigger.  More info coming on the new ride in a few days.

As for the Cadillac, I really had no issues with it.  Final mileage was around 33k.  I was 3K miles ahead of where I should have been when Covid hit but even using this as our primary family vehicle since then resulted in being well below mileage.  You just don't put a lot on when you are work from home so I left 6k miles on the table.

It still had the occasional 1-2 funky shift on the first shift after a cold start but the 8 speed is known for that.  It would not do it again after that initial shift.  Never bothered me enough to take it in to the dealer.  I did notice a slight bubble in the sidewall of one of the Nankang's but keeping my fingers crossed I don't get charged for that since the rest of the car is so clean.  Those tires held up extremely well and even after 10k miles of use had no appreciable loss of tread depth.

All in all, very pleased with this vehicle.  The 4-cylinder performed well enough that I never really felt like I missed out by not getting the 3.6 V6.  The interior held up really well and was very clean.  The front fascia had more stone chips than I would have expected (I don't live on a gravel road and never really travel on any) but they weren't super noticeable since what was underneath almost matched the paint color.  I suspect since it was a demo when I leased it, the dealer may have repainted the fascia before I got it.

Summary: Enjoyed my 3 years with the car very much.  I will miss it.  I would not hesitate to buy one used.  Before the Covid used car price craziness, they were actually a pretty good used car value.

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🤔 Covid has made many auto companies insist the lease be traded back in at their own company owned auto dealership. I am wondering if it is a Cadillac XT5 or XT6? 🤔

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18 hours ago, David said:

🤔 Covid has made many auto companies insist the lease be traded back in at their own company owned auto dealership. I am wondering if it is a Cadillac XT5 or XT6? 🤔

GM only cares that you turn it back into a GM dealership.  They don't care which brand.  XT6 was the leading contender (would have been my wife's vehicle) until GM pulled some of the returning lease holder rebate money off the table right before we were ready to pull the trigger.  Once that happened, my wife lost interest and told me to go get something for myself.  I'll start a new thread tonight.  I haven't taken any pictures of it yet to post.

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  • 2 months later...

Final, final update:  Got the last statement from GM Financial.  Was surprised to see they were going to charge me $900 or so dollars but since the car sold at auction for more than the buyout + the charge, they waived it.  I am assuming the charge was for the tires.  The only rule to replacing the tires is they have to be the same performance rating or better and even though I knew that and thought what I was buying was the same rating, they actually were not.  At the end of the day, it didn't matter.

In case any one is curious, the car sold at auction for $31,000 and the dealership down south that bought it had it on their lot for $34,500!!!  There really is some COVID madness there.  You could bought one in similar condition (age, mileage) a year or so ago for around $26k. Oh, and it still has the same tires on it so I guess they couldn't have been too bad 😀

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