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XT5 sales as of end of June 2018 - 31,890: Base price $40,570 X3 sales as of end of June 2018 - 24,750: Base price $41,000 GLC Sales as of end of June 2018 - 35,145: Base price $40,050 Q5 Sales as of end of June 2018 - 28,951: Base Price $41,500 Cadillac is definitely competing against the Germans

In all fairness, when it came out it was absolutely a direct competitor to the 3 and C.

It is GLA/X1 priced (the figure that matters most) but with a usable sized interior and slightly smaller inside than the X3.

What do you mean they "could have a contender"? They're still kicking butt now and it's one of the oldest lux SUVs out there. Where Cadillac is competing in CUVs/SUVs, they do very very well. The XT4 is going to come in and do very well in its segment. The X1/X2 are the same vehicle with different rooflines. The X5 and X6 ditto..... don't give BMW extra credit just for having name diarrhea.

Yes, and the tunnel is smaller. Transverse engine FWD cars usually have a bigger interior space relative to the wheelbase because the firewall is closer to the front axle. Often results in awkward styling, since w/ RWD the firewall-to-front axle distance is longer..

Sure, but where/when did Cadillac state it was planning on eclipsing it's sales? For that matter, has MB ever claimed its c-class 'will eclipse the 3-series sales'? in 2017, the 3-series outsold the C-class 3:1. If selling in the #1 spot = 'success', aren't, by definition, all other entries in the same segment 'failures'? Or is that just ridiculous?

It will all be epic fail if they don't carve out more leg room in the back. Use the ATS-L chassis then. Believe me every year when i go to autoshows and am in the cadillac area i hear people bitch about how the ATS is a useless car due to its back seat. Cadillac forgot a lot of its base are large muhricans and even if the ATS were as comfortable as a c class in the rear it would be ok. But its not. Cadillac buyers expect more usable space. Between the useless interior and cheap interior (and pricing) is why the ATS isn't lighting up the sales charts. So, to redo the car and not fix any of that, they might as well not try. I thought the Alfa Romeo Guilia was the new handling champ.

no one cares about external dimensions. They care about price and space inside. The original CTS was priced against the 3-series but was within tenths of an inch of the 5-series. Interior-wise, it was slightly smaller than 5-series but larger than 3-series. This is not a new phenomenon for Cadillac. If you've got $40k, your choice is CLA or ATS... not C-Class. If you've got $50k, your choice is GLC or XT5.... not GLE. In 2004, if you've got $35k, your choice is CTS or 3-series.... not 5-series.

Correct, as I said the ATS dimensions are 183" x 71" x 56" and a 2013 3-series dimensions are 183" x 71" x 56". And that generation 3-series was on sale during the ATS's development, I don't think it was an accident that the ATS has the exact same dimensions as a 3-series.

Because you've failed to wrap your head around the fact that they already do that. The ATS is priced against the CLA... it's bigger, has better engine options, and handles better. You insist on comparing it to the C-Class... which when you put even the most modest of options on it is priced like a CTS. Again, the Cadillac has more/better engine options more room, and when priced the same, better handling. Then we get to the E-Class which is priced against the CT6. Dollar for Dollar the CT6 beats the E-class on options and most powertrains. I've been explaining this to you for years and yet you can't absorb the fact that what you just suggested is exactly what Cadillac is doing.

Will it ever sink in with you that I don't give a flip about exterior dimensions? The GLC has less interior room than my Encore in nearly every dimension except rear legroom and yet it is overall longer than the Encore by a lot. Exterior size difference DOES NOT MATTER when it is less than about a foot. The XT4 competes with the GLA.... period. They are priced within $1000 of each other. Cadillac is nicer because it has a nicer interior plus a bit more room.

So why not just back to selling size and space for Cadillac? Make the XT4 the size of an X3 or GLC but $6,000 cheaper, make the XT5 the size of an X5 for a $10k discount, make the CTS/CT5 a mid-size sedan at 3-series money, the CT6 is already a full size car for mid-size money, make the CT4 $29k. At least it would be a strategy they could go all in on and market and promote. Their line up can't decide whether it's wants to be a Lexus fighter, a Lincoln fighter or a Nurburgring conquerer.

Yes, Cadillac is missing from some segments, but that does not discount the fact that the CUV/SUV segments it does play in it does very well.

It doesn't matter if it is a Lexus or an Acura or an Audi..... They are more alike than different, so yes they compete. Having a preference for size over sport or sport over size doesn't make one or the other better. .....at the end of the day, which ever company relieves your wallet of ~$45k won the sale. The Cadillac being able to swallow two full size suitcases over the GLC which can barely take one (less cargo room than my Encore) makes it more of a luxury car than the GLC in my personal opinion. That's a lot of Crown Vics.

After driving one due to a lease deal offer I quickly realized it was more of a good RX alternative vs a German competitor IMO.

Sorry guys about the image issues. I've been trying to get us to some more cost efficient storage but the process doesn't seem to be working. I'm putting it all back to original.

3 & 4 Series sold 99,083 in 2017 C Class sold 77,447 in 2017 ATS sold 13,100 in 2017 It's definitely not 3:1 3/4:C It's technically 1:0.78

New Escalade in 18 months or less. And you still can't give Cadillac credit for the SRX and XT5 spanking the Germans soundly for years in sales. I don't give a eff about exterior dimensions. The Cadillac outsold the same priced German crossover for years.

Very good points and even the CTS has a small back seat for how large a car it is. With the CTS’s wheelbase there should be XTS level room in that car. I wonder what % of Cadillac buyers are men, vs BMW or Audi buyers? Because I feel like Cadillac appeals more to men, who on average are taller than women, so that leg room complaint comes up more often. And yes the Alfa Romeo is the performance champ and it has over 500 hp. The ATS-V is down on power, needs a V8.

lol I won't disagree with that! The buying public, in general, is just the complete opposite of what most enthusiasts want. Too bad they outnumber us 99-1 and most enthusiasts don't buy new because they know the depreciation and that they don't keep them long enough anyway.

Public needs to make up their effing minds. 12 years ago Cadillac was "too soft" with the CTS.

It is yet nobody really seems to care. The buying public is okay with the softer rides of the A4, C-Class, and 3 Series.

Yeah, after finishing the move in June 2017, the garage was full of boxes. Took until October last year to clear a spot for the Jeep. After 9 years in the desert w/ carports and parking in the driveway, having a garage again was a novel thing for me..;)

My impression is that the CT4 is just a heavy refresh of the ATS with Escala headlights grafted on. Which will doom the car to an early death. I think Cadillac would fare better with the Genesis approach. Now the G70 I feel will take the Cadillac CT4 to town everywhere except driving dynamics.

if these sedans do not address -having actual nice interiors (on par with MB and Audi etc) -usable back seats and cabin space, leg room and girth -CUE problems -engine / powertrain options that make sense and are clearly tiered (i.e. optional motor actually performs significantly different, V sport available with AWD, turbo with improved operating characteristics, new turbo six optional) -get rid of goofy styling and MAYBE even border on stunning then what is the point maybe this is why Johan said fk it i mean honestly, this doesn't look like any significant movement on the styling meter.

I should have done this a year ago but was too burnt out from the move then....shuffled a bunch o' crap to the shed, threw out a bunch of crap, and had Junk King remove some old lockers and cabinets along the side wall of the garage that I didn't use. I still need to repaint the inside of the garage, but now I can get both cars in...very tight nonetheless... I wonder what they had in here 50 years ago.

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^ Past buyer greatly overpaid; 991 units built is not the stuff of a million dollar car. It's also "just" a package on a standard 911; not like it's a 1 of a dozen unique cars.

I've had bad results w/ Epson printers, but those have been cheap ones. My most recent one wouldn't recognize it had paper in it after replacing the ink cartridges the first time. I rarely ever print anything, but have a 10 yr old Lexmark 3n1 that still works great. Heavy, a bit slow, it still keeps going.

A laser wide-format..... getting spendy! ????? Also, I just re-read what the guy was telling you about the Epson.... all ink-jet printers have a self cleaning mechanism, not just Epson. I've never had one break on me like he described.

I agree about Brother printer but would go with laser. I have a Brother color laser printer for about 5 years now and it has been great.

I have to add a second vote to Brother printers. I've had a brother inkjet for years. The ink can be purchased cheap on amazon so you're not paying HP ... or even Brother prices. The ink on my model can sometimes be a little messy when loading it if you're not careful however.