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Sometimes, the past holds the key to making things better, because it WAS better in the past.

The side window treatment and front fender remind me a lot of the early 70s Holden Monaro coupe.

'70 Gen 3 Corvair proposal ~

Personally I wouldn’t worry about the troll who brought up the “concern” because it was an obvious trolling/butthurt comment. Complete with a disco ball and a mirrored ceiling! Got to make it feel special!

Boats seem like the worst segment to crack into because there's no regenerative braking in water and they're so restrictive in water it would be like a car constantly towing something except worse.

A 2004 'project car'?? LOL! - - - - -

It is amazing how many sale people are just plain dumb about the auto as they have only focused on the basic sales process: Greet the customer Qualify the customer Trial close the customer Overcome objections from the customer Take them to the bank. The basic 5 step how to sell pitch and that seems to be where most sales people's brains stop functioning. I am always shaking my head when they throw stuff out that is so wrong about the auto one is looking at be it the wrong engine, wrong features, wrong color options, wrong way of how a certain technology works. Most of the time, I just have to bite my tongue when I go to a dealership at the large amount of wrong information. This is a key piece as to why the BOLT does not sell better, the lack of knowledge and understanding of an EV along with the benefits. At 259 mile range, the battery range should not be an anxiety issue for the commuter person. So True as being lazy to learn a manual is on par with the lack of learning the auto's they sell. Amazing the ignorance of so many sales people.

I think it should be a legitimate requirement if your brand sells manual transmissions. There is no excuse for somebody who's job requires you to move vehicles around and you can't do part of the job because you're too lazy to learn. Inexcusable, imo. They don't have to be good or great at it but you should be able to do your job.

And I hope true tailfins come back. Let's bet on who's dream comes true first.

I do not like Lexus. Not my thing. However, this is, at the very least, interesting ... Lexus's equivalent of the Smart Car. Hopefully, there's a nifty low price to match its size. I have driven Smart Cars about 5 or 6 times ... as rentals in Europe. Twice they were a "For Four" (better) and the remainder of the time they were the two-seaters. Let me tell you, if you have one small suitcase and a small backpack or personal item, there is nothing finer for tooling around Sicily or making your way through the small streets of Lisbon, and all the better with a (nevertheless sh!tty) automatic trans. While the Smart's trans is dismal, the ride is surprisingly okay for being so damn small. They feel like slightly bigger cars, until a truck goes whizzing by you in the adjacent lane on the highway! To own one would be a NO.

I don't really think all of those are factors. I think the biggest two are its quirky styling that isn't car and isn't SUV and the other is range. The dealerships should be knowledgeable enough to educate the buyers to let them know that they will likely never need to find a charging station unless they're traveling but I have a friend who works at a dealership and he doesn't know jack sht about cars. I can only imagine most car salespeople are the same based off buying experiences. If anything, Tesla should be helping sell EVs by having a great brand image for electric cars.

Found some pics of racing at Put-in-Bay in the early 1960s..they are having a vintage sports car race event next month, may go to that.

Since random news on all forms of auto news I reported in Random was stated as not the proper place to be, I have started this Alternative Random. http://www.chevyjoltev.com Love the site built to try and get more excitement for this lovely 2 door EV. This story is Wicked Cool about a 427 Cobra Replica made as an EV with a Tesla Powertrain and Kia EV Battery pack. https://electrek.co/2017/01/17/classic-427-shelby-cobra-tesla-electric-motor-kia-soul-ev-battery-pack/#more-35518 Mitsubishi 3000 converted to EV using Tesla Motors and VOLT battery packs. 1000HP using two Tesla Ludicrous mode motors. Very cool car. https://electrek.co/2016/07/21/tesla-hacker-1000hp-electric-car-tesla-drivetrain-chevy-volt-batteries/ Love that they are now hosting an EV Conversion page that covers all auto's and even a EV converted boat. https://electrek.co/guides/ev-conversion/ EV Rocks!

That small EV plane is not enough. Call me when a Boeing 747/757/767 or its Airbus equivalent no longer needs aviation fuel.

That Jolt has a definite Cadillac ELR vibe but it would never work. To get EVs truly into the mainstream conscience, you have to start with CUVs sadly. Once that happens, then niche cars like the Jolt idea can be explored.

And this is a really complex situation and not nearly as simple as it is made out to be.

Good read on the new EcoDiesel review of the Ram truck. https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/29461/2020-ram-1500-ecodiesel-first-drive-review-diesel-done-right

Loving this project auto as the Germans cannot beat the pure heart of a quality small block American V8. 1973 Porsche 914 has the air cooled engine dropped out and some customization work done as the owner moves a GM small block to motivate the 914 to new highs. https://www.thedrive.com/news/29561/widebody-1973-porsche-914-with-chevrolet-v-8-will-make-purists-weep

This is a little masturbation corner for Dfelt... ?

Some very cool auto news stories came out today. This was done by Ford earlier in the year but now written up about the major retooling that took 11,000 people and 30 days to gut their oldest assembly plant and install over 600 robots, 500 new machines plus upgrade cafeteria, etc. in preparation for building the new Ford Explorer and Aviator. https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-explorer-launch-required-major-redo-aging-plant Here is the latest update in regards to which Auto Companies are going to feel it more at the bottom line from the Trade war with China. https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/bmw-mercedes-ford-most-risk-new-tariffs Ford, BMW and Mercedes will be hurt the most by the newest increase in Tariffs. OUCH! BMW Leads with 12% of their sales in China coming from the US. This is the X3, X5 and X6 plus a few other crossovers and cars that from from the Charleston S.C. assembly plant. BMW and Daimler corporation, Mercedes Benz has 57% of the auto's they sell in China coming from the US assembly plants. VW is now exploring buying ownership in China suppliers with a focus on buying up as much battery suppliers as they can along with other material suppliers such as Carbon Fiber and Aluminum. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-23/vw-is-said-to-explore-buying-stakes-in-chinese-auto-suppliers

Good luck raising the ZEV sales by 700% in only 5 years- they've been on the market for 20 now, and BTW; a hybrid is NOT a ZEV.

Architecturally / aesthetically. One is clean & presentable, the other is an eyesore.

It is mind boggling how much wrong information they spread and lack of knowledge of their own products. The steps are 100% what you just said. I told my buddy what I was looking for and what I wanted to spend and he tried to get me into something else. "You don't want that. You want xxx." Sorry bud, I like you as a friend but you're not telling me what I want and why I want it. I'd rather give him $50 and never have to worry about buying from him. Let's have a mutual agreement that won't make this awkward. He did that with both my Escape and Focus purchases. Short story; I didn't buy either from him.

Amazing to see the pictures of America before the EPA was formed and regulated trash/ dumping. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/35-vintage-photos-taken-by-the-epa-reveal-what-american-cities-looked-like-before-pollution-was-regulated/ss-AAFNWId?li=BBnb7Kz#image=1

Question : in looking at vintage press photos, it was common (up into the '50s) to take photos of auto accident victims while the bodies were still on scene/in the pic. No gore or blood, you understand. Of course, it's never done in the press today. Does this sort of thing offend you? 1952 :

I think so. The two sedans towards the back. No idea why they would be in Ohio in the 60s though. Edit: That pic came from a website about the PIB races, but I suspect they grabbed a pic from a later Australian race—the Valiant appears RHD. And there is a 65 Mustang in there, and the last PIB race was 63. When I was out there yesterday, I saw several markers that indicated the route of the original races, and I remembered a Road & Track article I’d read about it years ago. A neat footnote in the history of racing in Ohio.

The lower photo, aren't the oldest cars Holdens?

I need you to post a link to Colorado/Canyon diesel truck sales. GM hamstrings themselves with the 4 cylinder Duramax (and the upcoming I-6 in the Silverado/Sierra) by treating it like a luxury option, instead of a workmen's option. FCA gets it. Do you think for one minute a Colorado/Canyon Duramax fleet model wouldn't sell? An extended cab mainstream trim Duramax wouldn't sell? Of course it would. Get out of here with your SMK BS. Be careful, your elitism is showing. As well as your ignorance.

I was 12 years old in 1976. What is this internet you speak of. My post was about being a young, car crazy kid. It was the age of innocence. When things were simple and true. Injecting the internet into a nostalgic post is clueless.

Really? You just don't get it.

I don’t give two $h!s what you think I remember. No AWD or 4WD option equals tall wagon. Again, regardless of the ONE GM page you found said, their own window stickers say “Wagon” and they were not once marketed as a CUV. And your reading comprehension is lacking as usual I said that it “looks like a CUV” not that it was a CUV and that CUV buyers will not look twice at it SINCE IT IS NOT A CUV! Understand it now? Big difference there that even a five year old could figure out. And comparing a car that’s half the price of the Bolt (your Kicks reference)? That takes a special kind of stretching to say the least. Just keep that level of ignorance to yourself next time. Wtf does my previous job have anything to do with this conversation? The answer is “nothing”. Personally I find it sad that you’ve done it for 26 years yet come off as spectacularly ignorant towards a huge subsection of cars but that laugh fest is for another time. For the record though, I’ve worked at three different dealerships in two states in the last eighteen years, two of those in sales. Doesn’t change any facts mentioned here so keep that condescending BS to yourself. Speaking of “how many times” How many times do we need that you hate EVs? You talk the talk but sure as hell cant walk the walk. Just more juvenile snowflake bull$h!.

Nissan Kicks (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter: 29263 Chevy Bolt (FWD only CUV of small stature) 2019 YTD through the second quarter: 8281. Surreal, don't think I don't remember when you dug in your heels insisting the Bolt IS NOT a CUV... now you say it is. LOL so you were a lot jockey at a dealership for five minutes last year. How many times do we need to hear this. I've worked at dealerships every working day since March, 1993.

'61 Olds styling study, O-62s (& Chevs) on a carrier, '63 JT-R concept ~

I will second several points echoed from the past (one of which dfelt already pointed out). The looks are a problem for a lot of folks. It looks like a CUV yet it offers nothing that other CUVs offer, like AWD or 4WD. That kills a huge subsection of potential CUV buyers looking to go green. Second, and this is the big one, has been total lack of marketing, much like the diesels certain folks here crow over. I worked at a Chevy dealership last year and during that time they had exactly one Bolt that sat for almost two months with a $44K price tag on it. Most of the sales people knew jack and $h! about the car and that price was a huge pill to swallow for a lot of folks. All of this had nothing to do with the powertrain and that’s what the dinosaurs don’t get. It has said a million times in the last, that had the EV tech gone in something more like the Equinox, sales would be better (potential high price not withstanding). I don’t know why the EV hater here doesn’t get what has been discussed a thousand times now but those are the simple facts. Diesels don’t sell for $h! here either and their issues have cost manufacturers BILLIONS. Guess, by your logic, we should give those up too right? Just for you @ocnblu, this article covers the issues facing the Bolt perfectly. Read it, understand it, and move on from your endless troll act. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2019/07/21/chevy-bolt-the-best-ev-youve-never-heard-of--still/amp/

Volt was too small. So is Bolt. If you want a chance at mainstream sales you have to size the vehicle where more people want it. A plug in Malibu at volt price or less for example. The fusion energi has sold ok. Or perhaps the bolt could have been Equinox sized. I thought I saw something that said GM was looking at solid state ev batteries. Makes me wonder if all these car manufacturers are worried about getting slammed with toxic waste lawsuits aplenty when all these current hybrids are getting disposed of. i do like bolt and volt a lot. Just not practical to own with their size and limited options.

WHOOPS. SORRY, i meant COLORADO. pls forgive me i get those badge engineered GM products mixed up all the timez....momentary lapse. I forgot your like for Colorados.....

That's a full-size Chevy in front of that whale of a Lincoln ~

First just to make it clear, please call me DAVID. I am not Dave. Second, I did not miss the School bus thing but wanted to get all my info so you guys @ccap41 can see the difference here. There are multiple companies that are taking old Blue Bird diesel school buses and converting them to electric with 100 mile range for much less of a cost than a new Blue Bird School bus yet needing 15yrs of use to equal the 12yr Diesel school bus use. Multiple reports based on 2018 technology says that EV School buses will equal cost of Diesel school buses by 2030. http://www.orkas.com/ev-school-buses-take-two/ At this same time, Blue Bird School buses just announced a new EV School bus with Bus to Grid feature. These new buses have a 150kW battery pack with a dedicated 100 mile range making them perfect for a days use of morning and afternoon routes. Recharge over night and back at it the next day. Better yet, if for some reason power issues hit, the buses can be plugged back in and the power used from the buses by the buildings. https://electrek.co/2017/07/14/all-electric-school-buses-blue-bird/ Now with that, the EPA also has reports that show that with Solid State batteries, this will be the game changer that should allow more types of Bus / Commercial fleet use to make cost parity come way down on an EV version over Diesel. Just search the EPA site link I posted earlier and you can find the reports on it.

@OCNBLU might have got this instead of the Canyon if he had known about the extra 21 miles of range on the horizon!!!!!

@ccap41 @balthazar Funny you guys are discussing this as Columbia University just released an indepth long term cost annalysis of EV Bus versus Diesel bus and for the 12yr life of the buses even with the EV bus for mass transit costing with charging equipment about $300,000 more than Diesel, the EV bus saves $39,000 a year compared to Diesel and this is taking into account paying for the Driver and everything. http://www.columbia.edu/~ja3041/Electric Bus Analysis for NYC Transit by J Aber Columbia University - May 2016.pdf This was a report done in 2016 for NY. The end result of this study then was that the lifetime cost of operating an electric bus was $1.18 million compared to $1.35 million for diesel buses over the 12 year life. More than I care to dig through due to work, but you can search for electric versus diesel or ev versus diesel and you will find tons of reports that show the cost of electricity and maintenance on EV buses versus Diesel buses have Electric coming up the winner. Matching Diesel in cost but cleaner air and quieter operation is LNG/CNG buses. https://www.transit.dot.gov On top of this is Proterra which has 400, 500 and 600 mile range electric buses for sale for mass transit are guaranteeing a lower cost of operation compared to Diesels. Proterra is also offering a leasing program to help departments write off the cost of the buses better. https://www.proterra.com/press-release/proterra-and-mitsui-co-ltd-create-200-million-credit-facility-to-scale-proterra-battery-leasing-program/

The Drive is saying that Lexus has confirmed they will not build a car to compete with Tesla but instead go the route of a small Urban Hatchback for inner city owners / drivers. I get a total Smart Car vibe on this 2 door 2 person auto and think it will be a FAIL for them. https://www.thedrive.com/news/29522/lexus-to-build-small-urban-hatchback-instead-of-tesla-fighter-for-its-first-ev-report Want a station wagon but cannot afford the RS6 or E63 latest MB wagon, go CPO, E63 low miles over 500HP can be had for around 40K, big bargains in the CPO for E63 auto's. https://jalopnik.com/a-reminder-that-you-can-get-another-german-wagon-with-o-1837474912 BMW is following MB with LED backlit grills now. https://jalopnik.com/were-really-doing-this-arent-we-1837473276 France spent 5.2 million euros to build a 1K solar road for testing and it was a complete failure. https://jalopnik.com/turns-out-a-road-made-of-solar-panels-was-in-fact-a-b-1837472544 Lots of interesting stuff today in the auto industry.

Hyundai and Kia have figured out what real car buyers, and not the insane folks who argue about inane things....want. Subaru and Lexus would be among my top picks for my next car. You all know my feelings about Ford, although they have moderated a bit. Honda needs more coffee for the guys in the design studio, that will never change. And they are resting on their laurels. A lot of the Chevy and Ford Loyalty is full size trucks. Also why RAM ranks so high and the rest of FCA ranks in the dumpster fire end of the list. The trade war will influence people....as much as anything, brand image with American nastiness. One Senator, Tom Cotton, suggested expelling Chinese students from the USA. This won't end well. Not trying to be political, just realistic. Outside of the Mustang.....yeah.....about those cars that just got cancelled.

I have a co worker that has one...nice car. Infinity will be a profitable but second Tier luxury brand for forever. Buick and Cadillac will never get those numbers.

90% of Ford's loyalty comes from F-150 and Explorer.

WOW, Pulling an SMK of moving the goal post and pointing at a total different auto class rather than talking the one brought up. The mid size sale of Diesel trucks is a loss from a business stand point, the cost and increase in fuel price, maintenance, etc. the public has decided is not wanted compared to full size diesel trucks and one that I am pretty sure is in the Redneck non college educated crowd. I agree with @surreal1272 GM needs to either market it and point out the benefits of the auto, or build it as a true wanted AWD CUV/SUV.