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Again you are proving why you would never succeed in running any car company. And please show us proof of a Genesis being cheaper to maintain than a Cadillac. You really want to bring up livery sales while touting E Class sales (Also mostly due to fleet sales) earlier? Btw, the XTS was the livery choice, not the CT6. You can’t even get your backhanded insults straight.

Gov't does the same thing as religion; asks you to follow it's leader ('pope' / president), leverages persuasion (guilt / laws), instigates strife with dissidents (preaching / warfare) and continually asks for money (contributions / taxes). Neither is all bad, neither goes away, but you can only walk away from one of them. Whether it's laws, 'commandments' or social customs, the human animal generally benefits from some behavior control.

How come it took mercedes 35-40 years to build a better interior than this?

Crazy weather today... sunny at 46 at one point, rain, sleet, freezing rain, snow, high winds.. Been chillin' this afternoon and evening, ,after finding out tomorrow is a work holiday...didn't realize it. Had a couple Svedka vodka and pomengranate/oj martinis, a few glasses of chardonnay.. streaming music on You Tube...

EDIT :: bentley, by far, has the lowest revenue out of VW Groups many brands. VW Commercial makes 5 times more revenue than Bentley does, and the VW brand makes 44 times the revenue. On the matter of profit; thru Q3 2019, bentley only pulled in 65 million in profit. Audi's profit was around 4.5 billion, and VWs profit was 16 billion. VW would very much like to sell more VWs rather than audis or bentleys. In fact, bentley is obviously a drag on the annual report- it would be better shuttered. Put the money into VW and sell more VWs / make more profit.

But there's no evidence those are "stolen" sales, unless you believe they are directly cannibalizing sales from one another. If that's the case, they would shutter the brands whose bottom lines aren't the highest. But they don't, in fact; VW has bought more brands. So your 'stealing' theory is disproven by VW Group's actions. Each brand incorporates a ton of unique overhead costs; from distribution, advertising, parts, etc etc. They unquestionably must survive on their own to a large degree.

And the least expensive E Class that houses a 4 cylinder under its hood is as pricey as a Chevy Impala States side in Europe... while also being a ubiquitous taxi cab in some countries' fleets... That reminds me of how a Biscayne was and Chevy also offered a top of the line SS version... And if Chevrolet had not been part of a bigger corporate umbrella, Chevrolet would be asking Cadillac prices for its SS version...which is what Mercedes does States side... And the 3 Musketeers could down vote this post too if they want too... Ill be laughing my ass off too if they do. Would prove some theories I got about this whole thing...

If I had the coin and was in the market for a large, luxury sedan, I would be crazy not to give this a legitimate opportunity.

Been a while since I've had a "toy" car. Decided to buy this 1988 Firebird Formula for my son and I to work on together. He is almost 13 and not at all mechanically inclined. Not so much because he can't be but because I am one of those picky people that would never let him help me because I wanted to make sure it was done right. It's a pretty clean and rust free all original driver but has more than enough flaws (starting with its anemic 305 V8) that I won't feel guilty doing an LS swap on it. I already sourced the engine and trans as well as a far amount of parts for the conversion but with COVID raging here in Michigan I would feel too guilty to order the rest of the parts I need to get the swap going so it is on hold for now. I don't have the time or equipment to do the engine swap so someone will be doing that for me. My son and I will fix up the interior, replace the little work and broken items and install all the suspension components, though. Should be a fun project once it gets going. I don't want to turn it into a race car. Just a fun, reliable street car. It will be a cam only LS1 with a small stall (2500 rpm) 4L60E. The goal will be something like a 375 RWHP car that will dip into the high 11's in the quarter. Perhaps more mods in future years but no plans to go faster than 11.5 as I already went the roll bar route with a different car and don't want to do that again.

I agree with just about all of that. Said another way, most things are better in moderation: being mentally, spiritually, and physically "incarcerated" is one extreme. A "free for all" would be the other.

Only badge snobs and those worried about their image go out a buy a NEW Mercedes over a new Genesis these days. Just the repair bills alone would keep me away from "the best or nothing".

Your example is like a Teen boy in the locker room comparing dick size. The bulk of society DOES NOT care about who has the biggest engine. They look at much more and that is proven in many various ways of which sales, product mix and many other things make up parts of the brand. Everyone has to start some place. Originally Genesis was a sub-brand under Hyundai and sold very well which them made the company decide to make it a separate division as their luxury line. They did what any common sense business man would have done. Made it a separate division, moved the existing models into that division and started work on superior upgrades that can and do compete. Taking this into account, lets look at your beloved MB sales history. Full info can be looked at here: https://carsalesbase.com/us-mercedes-benz/ Based on this, the first sale in 1948 was a lone car, 2 were sold the next year and it took till 1967, the year I was born to finally break 20,000 cars sold. Took 19 years to get to 20,000 plus sales. Now lets look at Genesis: https://carsalesbase.com/us-genesis/ As we can see, 2015 was a year of bringing out genesis models under Hyundai and into 2016 where they then flipped to a stand alone Genesis division. As we all know it takes 3 to 5 years to get new auto's to market. In that time, Genesis did well as they sold gussied up Hyundai's under a Genesis label. 2018 they killed off models having a lack of available product as they clearly wanted to have separation between the past and what is now the new Luxury models coming out. I would say for a 3 1/2 year old division it is doing very well. Genesis reaches 20,000 plus sales of auto's in 3 1/2 years versus 19 years of a competitor to reach that same milestone. Genesis for the win! @smk4565 Drop the MB crap here, focus on Genesis, If you cannot tell many are tired of your Daimler Koolaid focus and we are here to talk about Genesis. Genesis has a solid competitor. Engines are on par with competition. Exterior is subjective to each person as is the interior. Yet I will say the interior I think beats many of the luxury products out there.

Stop stop stop the damn bar moving. One AMG trim E Class doesn’t change the fact that it STARTS at almost $20K lower than a base model Escalade (And with a 190HP four pot to boot). It also proves that there are a few rubes out there if you’re going to pay $125K for a gussied up German taxi. And again, this isn’t about your precious and overpriced Benz. It’s about the Genesis and how it’s a far better deal than the German competition.

*sigh* Going to get some snow tonight.....

Well...you are not doing badly for yourself. You've picked up a used previously owned newish Lincoln MKC and a used previously owned newish Mercedes G Wagon for little money. You have greatly seized your opportunities, Id say...

True dat. But if there is a God. I said if...there is God, even if you dont believe in His Holiness, you might find yourself in a pickle come Judgement Day at them Pearly Gates. But if there isnt God...I say, have yourself a blast dude! YOLO! (do kids even say that anymore?) Sounds kinky. You think she was watching them engage in those non-sexual sexual acts and when Lewinsky cleaned herself up and left the premises, Slick Willy and Hillary had hot sex ON the Oval Office desk? THAT might explain as to why she stood by her man... This song IMMEDIATELY rushed to my mind I love Janet. I miss her. I may like her music more than Michael's. And I LOVE Michael's music.

The most expensive E-class is $25,000 more expensive than the most expensive Escalade.

Audi has VW, and they still make A3 and Q3, heck they make a Q1. Why? Because a Q3 is going to make more profit than a Golf GTI or Tiguan, etc. Volkswagen would rather have people buy a Bentley than an Audi A8, same chassis, but the Bentley has higher profit margin. VW makes something like $700 per car, Audi makes about $5,000 and Bentley makes about $20,000. Which do you think they want to sell the most of? Every sale Audi takes from VW is $4,000 extra profit. Porsche does about $20,000 per car also, think they'd rather sell a Porsche Macan or an Audi Q5? Every Macan sale stolen from Audi is a $15,000 win for the company.

I went through Volkswagen’s 2018 annual report since I didn’t see a 2019 up yet. They do a nice job listing global sales volume of every model and they break out brand revenue and profit. VW brand had 3.2 billion Euros in profit, Audi had 4.7 billion Euros and Porsche 4.1 billion Euros. Skoda made 1.4 billion euros. VW had 6.3 million units sold to Audi’s 1.8 million and Porsche’s 253,000. Skoda sold 1.2 million units. That little volume of a Porsche made more money than VW brand. Audi beat VW and Skoda combined profits. Note that Audi numbers include Lamborghini, because Lambo is part of Audi. They definitely want to sell Audi and Porsche over VW and Skoda.

If Genesis is such a good deal why did they sell 21,000 last year and they are down Q1 this year? They aren’t that good a deal because they needed better styling, interior and power trains which the G80 addresses. G80 looks nice, but it isn’t better than what exists already. A challenge brand has to beat competition not build “almost as good as”

Who here thinks the G80 is better than the CT6? CT6 was in the $50-70k range, was G90 size and had 4 engine options instead of 2. CT6 also had livery and past Cadillac owners to pull from.