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THAT'S THE SAME DISHES!! ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE LIL WHITE SAUCER?? And; I didn't know people actually ate spam as a main component. Pennsylvania!

And the reason for EV depreciation is pretty easy explain. From that piece you’re probably referring to, ”All of the electric models that lost the largest chunk of their original value are short-range models. One of the keys to success (and a signal of success) for the new long-range fully electric vehicles is that they escape the pull of strong depreciation. With the first Chevrolet Bolt EVs due to near that three-year mark early next year—and the new ones in their tax-credit phaseout—we’ll start getting some answers on whether that's the case in a matter of months”

Hello ICE engines DO LOOSE HP and Torque by 100,000 miles. Some much worse than others especially on smaller engines like 3 & 4 cylinder. Bigger thing is the Amount of CO2 produced by ICE compared to EVs and there ICE looses every time. https://duquark.com/2019/06/03/environmental-impacts-of-internal-combustion-engines-and-electric-battery-vehicles/ https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/11/9/2690/htm Just some of the studies that show the metric tons of pollution ICE produce compared to EVs even with battery production and dirty energy supply like Coal or natural gas.

If you are going to spout off about a 40% loss of battery capacity, make sure you state ALL the facts regarding that. “Early data shows a trend of reaching 150,000 miles before coming close to a 10% capacity loss, which is the minimum loss expected by GM under its warranty. Tesla’s battery and drivetrain warranty is for 8-year and with unlimited mileage.” Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/12/07/gm-chevy-bolt-ev-battery-degradation-up-to-40-warranty/amp/ And we know that keeping a car longer sure doesn’t matter to you, given your track record of car and truck ownership.

Southern Style Sunday Dinner: fried Spam, a mess of spinach, and scratch-made (no box!) honey cornbread. Another dinner plate, in reply to numerous requests.

I get that people live different life styles, but change is inevitable. People had to deal with this when changing from having barn space for the Horse and Buggy to an automobile. People I am sure that could afford the auto loved not having to feed and clean up after a horse. Same here, once people realize the positive changes with EV's, the ease of charging in a far wider place for energy compared to gas stations, people will change. This is no different than people plugging their cell phone in at night where ever in their house they do it. People adapt and history has shown this. While change might be hard for some or impossible for others, the bulk of society has shown they can change and do.

The only real downside of those were the turbos....only good I’d folks took care of them.. The 1.8 was a great engine though. Other than that, pretty good cars. Also had nice seats for a compact car. Not really sure why compacts are going away when they will come back as budget EVs......

Guess then all people buying CPO ICE auto's are SAPS since the electronics are very outdated, efficiency of said auto is pathetic and poor compared to current new year auto. ICE Auto's like EV's loose at least 25% depreciation once driven off the lot, so you should only use MASS TRANSIT since your a sap buying a new auto so often then. Your as bad as our lying government as the extreme lies you state about EVs. WOW ?

Let the lawmakers set (reasonable) future standards, let private enterprise rise to the standard and let the consumer make their own decision. With the reputed "LESS PARTZ", and the general huge price tag of EVs, OEMs have a chance (in the future; not now) to make higher margins on EVs. Someday. There's the potential for motivation right there. But spending massive, trillions of now-precious taxpayer money on 're-education' or whatever generally ineffective program Big Gov't manages to bungle into policy, is a horrible ROI right out of the gate.

Spam is a big deal in Hawaii...I saw dishes made with Spam on restaurant menus there.

On a different tack, one of the only things that bothers me about the Avalanche is how un-green of a vehicle it is, slurping down gasoline at 16 miles per gallon. However, the conversation we had here the other day about E85 made me do some figuring, and I think I'm just going to run E85 all the time from now on. It will cost an extra $125 every 10,000 miles to do it, but I think it's worth it in order to use a renewable fuel. Plus, of course, Moar Powah! Also, by using E85, I will be using less than half the amount of petroleum that a Toyota Pruis would be. In fact, a vehicle would have to achieve an average 83mpg to use as little petroleum as I do when running E85.

No. I like the powertrains in the EVs... I like the Tesla powertrain. The Bolt EV is an absolute hoot to drive. My issue is the body they put them in. I wouldn't buy a Bolt EV even if it was powered by a Blackwing or a 6.2 Ecotec. I buy vehicles I like the looks of first, powertrain second. I bought the Avalanche because I like the Avalanche. The 5.3 I would describe as adequate at best, but I would have definitely preferred at 6.2 or even an EV if those were options. Lots of people like the Tesla looks enough to buy one. I do not. I think they look like a soulless jellybean and their interiors are spartan... but so does a '99 Taurus or Lumina. I wouldn't buy either of those either. Put the Tesla powertrain in a CT6 and I don't care if I can't afford it, I'll make it work somehow. I really wish AWD wasn't a requirement for me or I'd pick up a CT6 Plug-in.

@ the community garden ~

Yeah- either ‘54 or ‘55. Well done.

1954 Coupe DeVille?

I have to agree there.....even the base model prices are getting silly.... And I’ve noticed in MI that the insurance really did not get cheaper on July 1st either.......

Rob Zombie "More Human Than Human"

@ocnblu You would be so lucky if Id call you. You would soooo want me to give you all the attention. I know how to cook. Id be making YOU that chicken and rice. All KINDS of ways. ( wink wink) But alas, Im toooo good for you... I dont date immature little boys.

Wife really likes her Trax.... Like the soul though!

Phone or computer; no. But a TV is no big deal; no moving parts and you never touch it physically (not that I know where, offhand, to buy a used TV). I bought a used freezer from my barber for $40 and it's been humming along in the garage for probably 6 years now. 'Technology changes' are immaterial; if the device you bought did what you needed it to when you bought it, it should continue to do those same functions for some years. You don't have new needs; you have marketing department conditioning.

GM does; clearly Tesla does NOT warranty their batteries on their EVs. Elon Musk needs to fix that oversight.

The way the bans in Europe work is that you are only allowed in the city center or congested areas if you have a certain color registration sticker (theirs goes where our inspection stickers go). Some of the bans are time based to keep heavy polluters out during rush hours. But basically it works like this, only vehicles that meet the emissions requirements get the best sticker that can travel to city center at any time. If the police catch you driving (not parked, actively under power) and you have a banned sticker, you can be heavily fined. One of the only exceptions I know of is medical emergency, but there may be others. Delivery and work trucks also get special hours for operation. Now all of the places that are planning total bans are the cities, specifically ones that have fantastic public transit, so your scenario of Aunt Millie who lives on the side of a remote mountain and only goes to a general store in a town of 1,000 doesn’t apply. Also, classic cars get emissions exemptions as long as they’re driven less than a certain distance per year. Most people live in cities in this country, more than half. So I still maintain that EVs will be suitable to 80% of non-commercial drivers by 2030 without much difficulty. They’d be accepted by 50% of drivers if the financially accessible “middle class” ones didn’t look like stupid eggs.

I think I’ve pointed out multiple times different solutions for different lifestyles.

When you can charge overnight at home, your work or while you shop or eat, very little need then for a Charge station unless your on a road trip and now via the auto nav system or your personal smartphone, you can easily find a charge point.

If you can't afford an 8-year old Leaf, you can't afford a car. 2013 Ford Focus Electric - $4,868 - 74k miles 2014 Chevrolet Spark Electric - $4,995 - 62k miles and more torque than my Avalanche(!!) There are 189 EVs for under $7000 and under 75,000 miles available on AutoTrader right now.... so maybe we can move past the "EV's aren't affordable" trope. Unless your house is on an electrical panel pre-1990 (and I fully admit that many houses are), the cost to install at charger averages $1200. It costs roughly $1,295 to fuel a Toyota Corolla for 1year/15,000 miles at 2.59 a gallon and 30 mpg average (local average price). Charging at home costs so little per mile compared to fueling with gas, that ICE maintenance more than exceeds that cost.

I don't believe I said everyone. But even in locations like that there is going to be a Wawa or Sheetz or Getgo or a State Park or charging at/near their employer. Furthermore, people in the locations like that photo are much more likely to live in a detached house. Here in Pittsburgh (in a neighborhood where a lot of greenies live, but still) there is a neighborhood that most houses do not have driveways and yet I still see a number of scenes like this one. (Reserving your street parking is a local phenomenon here and generally accepted) And as I mentioned... it's not hours and hours to charge a significant amount of miles. It's 30 minutes to an hour for a typical week of driving, and that's with technology available today and on the used market. The story continues to evolve and in 2030, the 2017 Bolt will be the same as any other 13 year old used economy car on the market... it will be dirt cheap and chargers will be everywhere.

Again.... (and again... and again.... and again...) This is not the usage pattern for EVs. It may be the way new EV owners are doing it, but it's not the way it is done once you know what you're doing. First, and most importantly, 30 minutes gets you 200 miles in a Tesla, 30 minutes gets you 90 miles of range in a 2017 Bolt (from empty) and a 2020 will get you 100 miles, a Leaf on DC will fill up completely in 30 minutes. All of the above cars can get from 0% to 100% in about an hour on fast charging.... 63 minutes for the Bolt if you want to get technical. So no, not hours and hours. Furthermore, the Bolt, Tesla, and other 250+ range EVs have enough range to get 80% of non-commercial drivers through their week on a single charge. Going on a normal weekly grocery run (not just eggs, cheese, milk, bread) can easily blow an hour of time. Now this next part I know you understand, so what I don't understand is why you keep parroting the false narrative of how EV charging works. An EV driver does not need to be charging to full every time they charge. They only need to charge enough to get them through to the next charger plus some wiggle room for error. I'm at Costco at least twice a week and the normal grocery store at least once a week. It is unusual for me to be out of either place in less than 30 minutes unless I'm going in for one thing. Right there my commuting miles are covered if I charge for 30 minutes each time. But I do not need to get to 100% each time! I just need to add just enough to get me the next few days till I'm at a charger again. At my old job, I was able to charge at work for free... I'd never need to charge at home or at a retail facility. In short, the idea you have of the usage pattern of EV's is way off.... unfortunately, your way of thinking is the same as a lot of peoples' and it will take time to change that mentality. That's why Tesla and GM warranty their batteries.

The sad part is that Olds needed the Intrigue back in 1995, along with the first-gen Aurora.

I'll nutshell my interjection here : the "BAN". The term needs to be defined, and of course it's going to vary widely depending on the source. This was from a Feb '20 article : As stated above [RED ARROW], I can live with that (bill failed to get voted on, BTW). There's a semblance of attrition allowed to work naturally... so that 10s and 10s of millions of IC vehicles will still be running & driving for decades & decades & decades to come. That's as it should be, and there the lowest income folk don't get stepped on right away. Also- it allows the classic car hobbyist to continue to preserve that history/hobby. However, the focus then swings to the vast majority of the market- the middle. 2030 is only 9 years from now. There had better be a CRAP TON of truely median-priced choices out there, instead of Bollingers & Rivians and Daimler EQs (if they ever get into production) and Hummer EVs, cause the vast bulk of EVs available NOW and announced for the NEAR FUTURE are all hella expensive... other than a few.

I just finished the Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix. I thought it was very good and would suggest it to those who enjoy documentaties. Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez

Needed to watch something funny, started streaming the hilarious Canadian comedy 'Schitt'$ Creek'...I've long liked Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara in the Christopher Guest films (Best of Show, Mighty Wind, etc) and they are great in this comedy, along w/ Levy's son Dan.

I've been hearing all this '70s Pandora music at merchants. Could it be that the young people working at these places know a good thing? Check out the tuxedo Billy Paul has on. I hope they put it in a glass case. If not, it could have been recycled into Brougham level seating. Smooth ... not really like any other song! Beautiful.

Heard it at a Starbucks, where you can now sit inside, and where the music loop came into being long before the baristas were ever born: Love the refrain, "Say what?"

And based on the above....

Trax *was* offered in orange in '15-16, IIR...not sure about now.

Another episode of the (Automotive) search for more money.

Sure, for first "owners" (no one wants to buy a car that will be obsolete in a year anymore) but what about the poor saps who fall victim as second owners?

Imagine the conversations in here if an ICE engine lost 40% of its capacity to function after 8 years or 100k miles, whichever came first. That is GM's guideline for "normal operation" on Bolt's battery warranty. And it's one of the better ones! So lame. And a potentially huge expense down the line, which points both fingers to the fact that EV are as throwaway as that Apple phone, but WAY, WAY more expensive. It used to be, auto companies were planning obsolescence on the basis of body styling, primarily. Then, yearly styling changes waned. Now, with the average age of vehicles in the U.S. going up and up, planned obsolescence has pretty much been blunted with longer product cycles and improved long term mechanical quality/durability. This warranty chart is a pathetic shine of light on manufacturer's expectations... a sad "new normal" of a vehicle's average lifespan, because c'mon man, nobody's going to replace a battery at their own expense, the car will be junked first.

Well, we better round up those broncs then

If EV were so great, your "stupid eggs" comment would be moot. People would buy them. But they don't.